We are joined by goalie coach and writer for InGoal magazine, Elias Rassi.
First part of the show is a discussion on Bernier vs Reimer.
– The “Spinorama” shootout move
and much more.
some interesting points raised during this HotStove....
As Aaron mentioned, Reimer has noticeably improved his glove hand this year. I'm not sure it was a true weakness before, but it does seem stronger this year.
Also the point about the changes to the goalie equipment, and limiting the length of the pads. Not sure it has that big an impact, but anytime a goalie allows a puck to get through the "5-hole", commentators/analysts immediately reference the change in goalie pads and imply the goalie is more vulnerable. As Eli said, it may be simply a case of "stick discipline" rather than pad changes.
completely agree with Michael Stephans' take on Gardiner. Give him a proper shut down defence man to compliment his play. IE not Ranger...
@Burtonboy We would regret that trade if we trade Gards.
In the end, it may just be a money thang. If Reimer is solid, but Bernier better, Reimer is still going to look for big money next summer. Leafs will have to make sacrifices.
@Burtonboy Well thats a better top 4 !
Yep...and if you watch Reimer closely he has a habit of keeping his blade angled inwards which is a fundamental no-no,and one difficult to break once ingrained
Unsure about Bernier's just yet,but Reim's needs to pay closer attention to this detail.
@4evrblue Yep Kinda, at work. Whats up ?
@Burtonboy I hope the mainstream media is watching this so he could be voted into the all star game at 2 positions.
@Burtonboy He seems more productive on the left
@TheCanucksnaphook We could lose Smith to waivers if we demote him again.
A little soft wouldn't you say?
That would be ideal however I'm tired of making excuses for Gardiner's sloppy play. He needs to man up if he wants big $$$
I thought his problem with playing on the right side with the Ducks rested with the fact the other right wingers were Selanne and Ryan, so he was relegated to the third line. So he wanted to play the left side to get on the top 2 lines. Frankly, I think he would be better off on the right side, except that now Kessel and Clarkson are there as well.
Neither of these guys are Patrick Roy...they are still earning their stripes.
Getting two 23 yr old wannabe #1 to platoon is an easy trick at this stage of their careers.
The problems may start when one gets the ball to run with it.
Bottom line...we are in great shape in goal and WAYYYY to early to plan trading one unless someone makes a ridiculous offer.
But so much can happen b/w now and the time when decisions need to be made. Maybe Reimer regresses and has little trade value. Maybe hes average and the Leafs keep him as backup. And, of course, Bernier might get injured or stink it up.
Right now it would be interesting to see if a Dman gets traded. Brennan is looking very good and may be an asset, for instance.
@TheCanucksnaphook What's so terrible about McIntyre as backup? He put up a 931 SV% in the A last year and was excellent. Those numbers are better than what Reimer and Scrivens put up before making the Leafs.
Nope...but I do Coach and work with the goalies too.
This is a weakness, and if you recall the hit he took from Rosehill last season (gave him a concussion) it occurred because he went to boards - on his off wing of course - and he was essentially blindsided. To me, injury concerns so motivate Lupul as much as anything to play on the right side - you are less likely to be blindsided playing the boards on your proper side.
You're suggesting something extremely unorthodox no team in the league has ever implemented 5v5.
Gunnarsson is tough and proven while Rielly is 19 and not even close. They are not comparable. And what happens when the other team's goons snow-job Reimer/Bernier?
Your idea is out of the box thinking but its not going to happen on a nightly basis
Which one will clear the front of the net?
@TheCanucksnaphook @dlb eh I was there, I have concerns with the shitty D play, Gunner, Franson and especially Ranger, although all picked it up by the third...besides Bernier's presence, the biggest calming effect over team and audience was when Reilly had the puck period, it was guaranteed to be out of the zone, on another teammates stick, or he was flyin with it....Gardiner and him don't need to clear the front of the net, because it won't be in our end with Reilly on the ice....
Hahaha... who wasn't bad in the 3rd period of game 7? So far your argument is Anaheim gave up on Jake when in fact they didn't. Your argument is if a player doesn't play well then he should be trade bait... Your words not mind. That's not really backing anything up.
by those standards we'd be trading everyone...
@NotInsane @GreekGod @mcloki NotInsane... You're insane. Gardiner was one of the best players on the ice the other night. The kid has ALL-STAR level skating, puck handling, and all around mobility. Oh, and he's 22!
There is absolutely NO NEED to rush this kid in any way shape or form. RC started this whole 'jump on Gardiner thing' when he had a couple loose games. Then the media got in on the action, and now it's become 'something', when it's really nothing at all.
You trade this kid and you will hear about it for the rest of our lives. He will be an all-star defensemen one day, and sooner rather than later. He was a damn sight better than Karlsson against Ottawa, who is only two years removed from a F'ing Norris trophy.
Sorry NotInsane, but you couldn't be farther off the mark with this one.
I don't know why you'd suggest I'm not backing it up. Kessel is a different player who put up big numbers the moment he got here.
Gardiner in the playoffs had his moments but he was also pretty bad in the 3rd period of game 7. Franson, too. I'm not going to sugar-coat them with words like "potential" and "upside" . I'm going to judge them on their play
Being critical is fine as long as you can back it up. Gardiner proved last year at the most important time in the playoffs that he is top 4 material and was given almost as much minutes as Phaneuf. Just because the kid is struggling a bit out of the gate doesn't mean we should trade him. Guess we should have given up on Kessel last year when he started the year with the 10 game goalless streak. And Dion for all the mistakes he's made along with Franson who was getting benched all the time and Lupul for getting injured all the time. You see where I'm going with this. People just need to let Gardiner develop.
you give quality to get quality but you never trade prospects you think will be elite players in today's NHL. I'd add Franson and Seguin as 'given up ons'. Doesn't mean Anaheim, Boston or Nashville were right. Your opinions differ, fine.
Only the Leafs matter to me. Gardiner either plays well or he's trade bait imho. I see a guy with a lot of excuses, whose demanding off-ice and making bad decisions on the ice (right now). Is being critical such a flaw? Shall we go back to blue and white disease?
Exactly... and let's not forget that Franson was once considered to be a liability on the backend in both Nashville and in Toronto. Hence why both RW and RC benched him. He just needed time to develop and he's a few years older then Gardiner. People need to take a fucking chill pill
Anaheim gave up on him. I think there's more than just time required.