Maple Leafs Hot Stove Hangout – Episode #5

Maple Leafs Hot Stove Hangout – Episode #5

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We are joined by goalie coach and writer for InGoal magazine, Elias Rassi.

First part of the show is a discussion on Bernier vs Reimer.

Also:

– Rielly
– Kadri
– The “Spinorama” shootout move

and much more.

295 comments
adeel
adeel

Laviolette got fired lol. I seem to recall someone predicting this. hahaha

TML__fan
TML__fan

some interesting points raised during this HotStove....

As Aaron mentioned, Reimer has noticeably improved his glove hand this year.  I'm not sure it was a true weakness before, but it does seem stronger this year.

Also the point about the changes to the goalie equipment, and limiting the length of the pads.  Not sure it has that big an impact, but anytime a goalie allows a puck to get through the "5-hole", commentators/analysts immediately reference the change in goalie pads and imply the goalie is more vulnerable.  As Eli said, it may be simply a case of "stick discipline" rather than pad changes. 

mr_hanie
mr_hanie

McClement will be a winger the on third line. Gives him more ice time.

GreekGod
GreekGod

completely agree with Michael Stephans' take on Gardiner. Give him a proper shut down defence man to compliment his play. IE not Ranger...

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Yaknowwhat 

In the end, it may just be a money thang.  If Reimer is solid, but Bernier better, Reimer is still going to look for big money next summer.  Leafs will have to make sacrifices.

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@TML__fan 

Yep...and if you watch Reimer closely he has a habit of keeping his blade angled inwards which is a fundamental no-no,and one difficult to break once ingrained

Unsure about Bernier's just yet,but Reim's needs to pay closer attention to this detail.

Komas Taberle
Komas Taberle

@Burtonboy I hope the mainstream media is watching this so he could be voted into the all star game at 2 positions.

Burn_the_Loov_Boats
Burn_the_Loov_Boats

@GreekGod 

That would be ideal however I'm tired of making excuses for Gardiner's sloppy play.  He needs to man up if he wants big $$$

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@TheCanucksnaphook

I thought his problem with playing on the right side with the Ducks rested with the fact the other right wingers were Selanne and Ryan, so he was relegated to the third line.  So he wanted to play the left side to get on the top 2 lines.  Frankly, I think he would be better off on the right side, except that now Kessel and Clarkson are there as well.

mcloki
mcloki

@NotInsane @GreekGod lower your expectations on a 22 year old. He's got another 10 years on the blueline. let him develop.

loomx
loomx

@TheCanucksnaphook @GreekGod I'd like to see him with Fraser if he doesn't mind playing on the right side. Gardiner stays with Franson since Franson seems to be getting pretty good in his own end.

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@Greg Fenton @Uncle Otis @TheCanucksnaphook @Loric76 @NotInsane 

Neither of these guys are Patrick Roy...they are still earning their stripes.

Getting two 23 yr old  wannabe #1  to platoon is an easy trick at this stage of their careers.

The problems may start when one gets the ball to run with it.

Bottom line...we are in great shape in goal and WAYYYY to early to plan trading one unless someone makes a ridiculous offer.

Burn_the_Loov_Boats
Burn_the_Loov_Boats

@Greg Fenton @TheCanucksnaphook 

If Reimer plays amazing this year then he'll be traded to another team in the Summer and become their #1.

If Reimer is ok or struggles he'll resign with the Leafs.

Its a money/affordability thing

Dan39
Dan39

@TheCanucksnaphook @Dan39 Yeah, and he doesn't handle the puck much better than Reimer either but he put up good numbers. I think people (not necessarily you) assume he is shit because he's in the AHL and I don't like that. 

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Greg Fenton @TheCanucksnaphook 

But so much can happen b/w now and the time when decisions need to be made.  Maybe Reimer regresses and has little trade value.  Maybe hes average and the Leafs keep him as backup.  And, of course, Bernier might get injured or stink it up. 

Right now it would be interesting to see if a Dman gets traded.  Brennan is looking very good and may be an asset, for instance. 

Dan39
Dan39

@TheCanucksnaphook What's so terrible about McIntyre as backup? He put up a 931 SV% in the A last year and was excellent. Those numbers are better than what Reimer and Scrivens put up before making the Leafs.

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@TheCanucksnaphook @MaxwellHowe 

This is a weakness, and if you recall the hit he took from Rosehill last season (gave him a concussion) it occurred because he went to boards - on his off wing of course - and he was essentially blindsided.  To me, injury concerns so motivate Lupul as much as anything to play on the right side - you are less likely to be blindsided playing the boards on your proper side.

Burn_the_Loov_Boats
Burn_the_Loov_Boats

@TheCanucksnaphook

You're suggesting something extremely unorthodox no team in the league has ever implemented 5v5.  

Gunnarsson is tough and proven while Rielly is 19 and not even close.  They are not comparable.  And what happens when the other team's goons snow-job Reimer/Bernier?  

Your idea is out of the box thinking but its not going to happen on a nightly basis

LightmyLeaf
LightmyLeaf

@TheCanucksnaphook @dlb eh Franson has the best excuse to have a slow start to that game, I think you have nailed the top 4 right there...Gunner's contract is a good one to trade, hate to say....he did come around though. Reilly will calm down Gardiner....makes sense

LightmyLeaf
LightmyLeaf

@TheCanucksnaphook @dlb eh I was there, I have concerns with the shitty D play, Gunner, Franson and especially Ranger, although all picked it up by the third...besides Bernier's presence, the biggest calming effect over team and audience was when Reilly had the puck period, it was guaranteed to be out of the zone, on another teammates stick, or he was flyin with it....Gardiner and him don't need to clear the front of the net, because it won't be in our end with Reilly on the ice....

Burn_the_Loov_Boats
Burn_the_Loov_Boats

@GreekGod @mcloki 

I question everyone involved in defence because of the game 7 collapse.  The only exempt are those whose job is to score (kessel, lupul) and those injured (bozak).  So yes, we could be trading everyone.  I trust mgt to make the right decisions

GreekGod
GreekGod

@NotInsane @GreekGod @mcloki 

Hahaha... who wasn't bad in the 3rd period of game 7? So far your argument is Anaheim gave up on Jake when in fact they didn't. Your argument is if a player doesn't play well then he should be trade bait... Your words not mind. That's not really backing anything up. 

by those standards we'd be trading everyone...

.Kong.
.Kong.

@NotInsane @GreekGod @mcloki NotInsane...  You're insane.  Gardiner was one of the best players on the ice the other night.  The kid has ALL-STAR level skating, puck handling, and all around mobility.  Oh, and he's 22!

There is absolutely NO NEED to rush this kid in any way shape or form.  RC started this whole 'jump on Gardiner thing' when he had a couple loose games.  Then the media got in on the action, and now it's become 'something', when it's really nothing at all.

You trade this kid and you will hear about it for the rest of our lives.  He will be an all-star defensemen one day, and sooner rather than later.  He was a damn sight better than Karlsson against Ottawa, who is only two years removed from a F'ing Norris trophy.

Sorry NotInsane, but you couldn't be farther off the mark with this one.

Burn_the_Loov_Boats
Burn_the_Loov_Boats

@GreekGod @mcloki

I don't know why  you'd suggest I'm not backing it up.  Kessel is a different player who put up big numbers the moment he got here.

Gardiner in the playoffs had his moments but he was also pretty bad in the 3rd period of game 7.  Franson, too. I'm not going to sugar-coat them with words like "potential" and "upside" . I'm going to judge them on their play

GreekGod
GreekGod

@NotInsane @GreekGod @mcloki 

Being critical is fine as long as you can back it up. Gardiner proved last year at the most important time in the playoffs that he is top 4 material and was given almost as much minutes as Phaneuf. Just because the kid is struggling a bit out of the gate doesn't mean we should trade him. Guess we should have given up on Kessel last year when he started the year with the 10 game goalless streak. And Dion for all the mistakes he's made along with Franson who was getting benched all the time and Lupul for getting injured all the time. You see where I'm going with this. People just need to let Gardiner develop. 

Burn_the_Loov_Boats
Burn_the_Loov_Boats

@GreekGod @mcloki

you give quality to get quality but you never trade prospects you think will be elite players in today's NHL. I'd add Franson and Seguin as 'given up ons'.  Doesn't mean Anaheim, Boston or Nashville were right.  Your opinions differ, fine.

Only the Leafs matter to me.  Gardiner either plays well or he's trade bait imho.  I see a guy with a lot of excuses, whose demanding off-ice and making bad decisions on the ice (right now).   Is being critical such a flaw?  Shall we go back to blue and white disease?  

GreekGod
GreekGod

@NotInsane @GreekGod @mcloki 

People are throwing Gardiner under the bus. THat's the issue that I have. There's no debate in that. Much like you saying Anaheim gave up on him. When in fact, we had to take on Lupul's contract at the time in order to get Gardiner. 

Burn_the_Loov_Boats
Burn_the_Loov_Boats

@GreekGod @mcloki

Franson was a liability Saturday night and is still a WIP.

As for chilling, its pretty chill: we are just having a debate. 

Its Gardiner's 3rd pro-season and I'd like to see some improvement over the next six months.  Plus he's a free agent and expected to ask for big money.  

GreekGod
GreekGod

@mcloki @NotInsane @GreekGod 

Exactly... and let's not forget that Franson was once considered to be a liability on the backend in both Nashville and in Toronto. Hence why both RW and RC benched him. He just needed time to develop and he's a few years older then Gardiner. People need to take a fucking chill pill

sniperstar
sniperstar

@hoolihan @NotInsane @GreekGod The guy is 22, not 30. He has time to develop and some DMan don't even put it all together until they are 26. Give him time to learn his trade and get better at it.

GreekGod
GreekGod

@hoolihan @NotInsane @GreekGod 

Really? cause Gardiner had over 20 minutes last game. Carlyle won't give up on a young player who is trying and has elite offensive potential. Give him sheltered minutes much like Franson got last year. Gardiner just needs time to develop... 

mcloki
mcloki

@NotInsane @GreekGod No Anaheim did not. They needed Beauchemin and to get rid of an injury prone player in Lupul and Burke squeezed them for Gardiner. Let's not rewrite history here.

GreekGod
GreekGod

@NotInsane @GreekGod 

hahaha... guess that means that Lupul is garbage to then since so many teams have given up on him as well ;)