Maple Leaf Hangout Episode #8: Reimer, Leivo, Rielly

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We’re live for episode 8 of the MLHS Hangout.

Tonight’s topics:

– Reimer’s injury
– The turnover problem
– Rielly
– Emergence of Leivo

and more.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    Any questions you have, throw them in here.

  • Cameron19

    I think Michael Stephens just highlighted exactly why some fans think certain players are injury prone – the assumption that if a player is injured every year, they are injury prone. The reality is that most players are injured every year at some point.  It’s a pretty rare breed of player that doesn’t get injured on an annual basis.  So the term’s extensive use seems to primarily come from a lack of understanding about the realities of playing the game nowadays, and the absence of a comparison, as most fans just follow their own team intensely.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Aaron was right on Rielly.

  • Cameron19

    I literally disagree with Stephens on just about everything.

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/andystrickland
    Lapierre will miss four more games after sitting out Chicago game last night…be interesting to see what Mcleod gets https://twitter.com/search?q=%23stlblues&src=hash https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NHL&src=hash

  • Burtonboy

    Sending Rielly back is no guarantee he will be a key cog next yr either . The big questionwith Rielly is does his game improve by going back to Jr.

  • Cameron19

    Ugh, Stephens…he’s not going to get a 600K bonus for playing all the games.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Yes, Nik, on puck possession. Bingo

  • rustynail

    Burtonboy thats the whole point isn’t it? will he improve more by staying up or going down.

  • rustynail

    Cameron19 I don;t think that is even legal in the CBA

  • Burtonboy

    rustynail Burtonboy That’s the debate in a nutshell. Big decision

  • Cameron19

    rustynail Cameron19 I forget all the bonus specifics, but it certainly doesn’t work that way.  You have to do so many things to get the big bonuses.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Cameron19 rustynail It’s possible he gets a good chunk of them. He’s got what? 4 points?

  • Burtonboy

    Alec Brownscombe I surely don’t expect the Leafs to play like NJ or the Wild but we can’t continue playing Ron Wilson hockey either

  • rustynail

    Alec Brownscombe Cameron19 rustynail we should be so lucky that he gets them. If he does staying up was the right decision

  • Cameron19

    Alec Brownscombe Cameron19 rustynail Yea, but we don’t know what specific bonuses were included in his contract.  He may have to lead the team in minutes and win the Calder to get up near the 600K mark.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    rustynail Alec Brownscombe Cameron19 Yeah – I’m just saying, it’s not like this is impossible, guys.
    Rielly should be kept up and Nonis’ job is to make the cap work

  • rustynail

    Alec Brownscombe rustynail Cameron19 that’s what he gets the big bucks for

  • Cameron19

    Alec Brownscombe rustynail Cameron19 Yea, I know, but Stephens just makes it sound like he’ll have 600K in the bank just by showing up. Those sort of comments feed the misunderstanding for how bonuses work. 

    If Rielly achieves 600K worth of bonuses, chances are we won’t give a shit about having to put that against next year’s cap. 

    ANd yes, totally up to Nonis.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Burtonboy Alec Brownscombe That’s pretty much what this team becomes sans JvR, Kulemin, Clarkson, Fraser, though.
     I agree about wanting to see more of the hard nosed play from last season. But who is missing is a big part of it.
    We are getting back into that long stretch pass habit, too.

  • Jay31

    Have they talked about Gardiner? Would love to hear their thoughts on his play

  • Burtonboy

    Alec Brownscombe Burtonboy Agreed but there have been plenty of lapses since game 1 this yr. We’ll see what happen when those players are back but it seems Carlyle is having some problems getting through to some people

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    Jay31 Just asked it – we’ll see if they answer it

  • Cameron19

    Stephens making things up now: “Since his draft year”

    2003: totally healthy
    2004: totally healthy
    2005: missed 5 games
    2006: missed 1 game
    2007: missed 1 game
    2008: missed 26 games – first significant injury
    2009: missed 3 games
    2010: missed most of the season – injury primarily because of off-ice surgical infection
    2011: healthy
    2012: missed 16 games (shoulder)
    2013: missed 32 games (various injuries)

    In his first 6 seasons, he missed 7 games, lol.  Yep, heavily injury prone. 

    In my opinion, this is a guy who has been primarily healthy, with one major injury layoff that convinced everyone he was injury prone – but hilariously, the bulk of that layoff was due to an off-ice incident.  The myth is fed by last season’s gong show of bad luck, but the fact is, he’s been healthy the bulk of his career.

  • Cameron19

    By the way, I have no problem with people accusing Lupul of being injury prone.  Recent years give enough evidence to suggest that.  Just, get the facts straight.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    Jay31 There you go – question being answered.

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/felixpotvin
    “What is Edmonton?” RT https://twitter.com/LD10: Source: Bryzgalov turned down an offer from a Western Conference tea
    m

  • MaxwellHowe

    TheCanucksnaphook I imagine Mr. Bernier’s spent much of the day with his head down.

  • rustynail

    -Keon- not way ahead I wonder why the linesman waited so long to waive it off

  • Bobsyouruncle

    TheCanucksnaphook You get free eye-care with you job. Time to use it.    
    And no other camera angle is needed.

  • rustynail

    -Keon- nope he waived it off after the puck came out

  • MaxwellHowe

    TheCanucksnaphook -Keon- 
    Head up pal.  Tomorrow night you’ll have new reason to hate the world or you’ll see the Leafs beat the champs, in which case this will all be forgotten

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/KyleTheReporter
    Smithson making debut Sparks gets the start as Marlies face Americans tonight in Rochester. Looking for fourth straight wi
    n

  • rustynail

    Yaknowwhat having a phook moment a day early?

  • MaxwellHowe

    Yaknowwhat We have their Bolland.  They have our Kostka.  That must count for something.

  • rustynail

    TheCanucksnaphook Yaknowwhat is this bizaro ,world you not having a bad feeling ?

  • rustynail

    Yaknowwhat rustynail TheCanucksnaphook rely was to Phook

  • Burtonboy

    Yaknowwhat Chicago hasn’t exactly been running anyone out of the rink so far playing some marginal teams. We will see what happens  
    http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/schedule.htm

  • JMAC17

    Yaknowwhat No, not yet.  Looks like he is more complete player but he has much to prove.

  • Burtonboy

    Yaknowwhat Burtonboy Bernier will start

  • Cameron19

    Yaknowwhat TheCanucksnaphook rustynail Chicago themselves don’t put forth the necessary effort to beat a team like Chicago. There are very few teams playing to their potential right now.  Just San Jose – who will then fade away like they always do, and underdog teams playing over their heads.

    Our goal isn’t to be in playoff mode tomorrow night, it’s to continually improve as the season goes along.

  • Burtonboy

    TheCanucksnaphook JMAC17 Yaknowwhat Strange thing he gets a lot more ice time then Rielly

  • Cameron19

    Yaknowwhat We waste too much time on this site talking nonsense about the core pieces of our team.  Gardiner, Phaneuf, Rielly and Franson are all part of a core group.  It’s guys like Gunnarsson and Ranger that will be cycled out of the roster for upgrades.  The conversation should be more focused on them, in my opinion.

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/LavoieRenaud
    Scott Clemmensen sent down to San Antonio https://twitter.com/search?q=%23panthers&src=hash

  • Burtonboy

    Yaknowwhat Burtonboy Nothing announced yet . Just my guess

  • whalz

    I think with the centres having issues winning a draw, its just a matter of time before Smithson is centering the 4th line…he will probably stick with the Marlies for 3-4 wks (no training camp)..solid depth guy who has size and can win a faceoff.

  • MaxwellHowe

    I think some players are “injury prone” on account of a failure to foresee dangerous situations or plays.  This might explain why a guy like Wayne Gretzky, with his unmatched hockey IQ, never suffered a substantial injury.  Until later in his career when that prick Suter smashed him from behind.

  • Burtonboy

    Yaknowwhat Burtonboy Makes sense he does. He has played the Hawks a lot more then Reimer

  • MaxwellHowe

    Cameron19 Yaknowwhat 
    Any market for Gunnar you think?  Return not really important…

  • Burtonboy

    Cameron19 Yaknowwhat Completely agree