Leafs interested in Fiddler, still looking to offload Liles

Leafs interested in Fiddler, still looking to offload Liles

From tonight’s Insider Trading on TSN:

McKenzie:If you’ve been hearing a lot of Vernon Fiddler trade rumours it’s because two weeks ago he went to the Dallas Stars and said he wants more ice time and wants a bigger role, and if he can’t get it with Dallas than let it be somewhere else. He’s on an expiring contract at $1.8 million and an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year. There is interest in him from other teams but the Stars are wining and things are going well, so they’re not going to give him away. Keep an eye on this one.

Dreger: The Toronto Maple Leafs are one of those teams that have had discussions with Dallas about Fiddler. Toronto’s a little bit concerned about his age and the money, but the Leafs are looking for something. They’ve also had discussions on potentially trading John-Michael Liles to the Carolina Hurricanes but nothing imminent there.

When John Michael Liles is in the minors, the Leafs are pinged for 2,950,000 on the cap. If the Leafs were to deal Liles and retain half of his salary (maximum amount), they would be on the hook for 1,937,000. That doesn’t make sense to do over the length of the deal, but something like a million might. The maximum number of retained salaries is three per team, so this would put the Leafs at the max if it were to transpire. One stumbling block here is that Carolina has no more cap space than the Leafs.

When it comes to Vernon Fiddler, think of an upgrade on Smithson but a similar player type. 33 years old, veteran of nearly 600 games (has collected around 90 more points than Smithson in that time), plays around 2 minutes on the penalty kill, wins 53% of draws (this season), though surprisingly poor on the dot last season in the defensive zone and on the penalty kill. The downside is Fiddler is going to cost an asset, likely a mid round pick.

Nothing looks imminent here, but it seemed worth passing along.

90 comments
wendelsway1
wendelsway1

Good Game Day Morning, Gents.......a great day to be a Leafer!  GO LEAFS GO!!

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

Good morning Folks, whats up today ? Just Fiddlering around ? Lilesing around a waiting for something to happen ?


:)P


Wilbur
Wilbur

Tough game tonight folks. Leafs may want to be ready to play the whole game like they played the second period against Boston or they will be on the wrong end of the outcome.

whalz
whalz

Leafs better start winning some more games as they are clinging to a wildcard spot. Nonis needs to make a deal to help this team..

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

Lupul Kadri and Raymond have slowed down the last few games and they need to now step up.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

Game day boys.  Lets hope we can pot 3+ goals vs. Harding and take this game

HeatherRickAkin
HeatherRickAkin

a couple of thoughts ...  so much talk about how to move Liles makes me think the Buds really missed the boat when they bought out Komisarek and his remaining ONE year deal, and kept Liles . I mean,,, how did that happen ???  Now : Percy, Biggs , Blacker . I don't see the Marlies at all, and I take it they are just a mid pack team this year . That's no reflection on the coach, but it seems to me that the only guy there doing anything on the scoreboard is the defenceman they signed as a UFA ....Brennan ?   I know goals and assists are not  the whole measure of progress , but most of our top prospects with the Marlies  are really quiet these days, are they not ?  In all likelihood , the best Leaf prospects are either in junior , or maybe overseas . And I guess theres a couple of college players in the USA . Maybe the AHL is a hard place to make your mark , although I just read that the Islanders Ryan Strome is absolutely killing the AHL, with about 16 pts in 12 games . He will be an Islander in the next few weeks. That's the type of guy you put a pkg together for , not a Vern Fiddler .

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

Assuming the cap space can be gained, likely by trading Liles, trading Holzer or Blacker or that 4th rounder from Calgary for Fiddler seems like a sensible move. The Leafs need centre depth. My only reservation would be the possibility that adding him to the lineup might leave the Leafs no room for a move later on.

WendelGilmour
WendelGilmour

Pass on Fiddler. I wouldn't spend any assets on a short term player, and Fiddler is declining. Stay the course and don't make any deals that won't be helpful in the long run.

Wharf Rat
Wharf Rat

I guess the Kulikov talks with Florida are no more since we're looking for help up the middle. Or is Nonis still considering Kulikov?  

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

Liles to Carolina makes sense since they need D and fiddler to us makes sense b/c we need a C. Funny Thing is most of us already thought of these scenarios weeks ago.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@-Keon- Mark Fayne, Zybnek Michalek, Derek Morris, Dan Girardi.  And Matt Greene is only playing 15 minutes a night in LA. 

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@-Keon-  See I am been saying we need a D for a year now. I am a real  insider :)


Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz We have 2 games in hand on Detroit and Montreal, and 1 game in hand on pretty much everyone else.  A single win will put us back on top.  Hardly clinging to anything at this point. Tampa is also poised to drop like a rock now...

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@HeatherRickAkin  maybe that is why it is so silent as Nonis is working on home run deals and most of the time they just do not go through so it appears nothing happens.. then band aid scenarios like Smithson appear...

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

Absolutely totally agree. The isles are deep at centre but need help at d and they need a goalie. I completely get the leafs desire to keep the two goalies, but eventually the isles will snatch up Hillier. It's a tough call but if the Leafs believe it is possible to obtain Strome, they should jump at the opportunity and put together a package now

Optimustic
Optimustic

@WendelGilmour My thoughts exactly, why give assets away for a player we'll only need when we have two centres injured at the same time.  If he doesn't like limited ice time, how will he like the AHL?  

I sure don't feel he's a replacement or an upgrade on any of our regular centres.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Cameron19 Leaf have had one of the slowest schedules in the NHL over the last 10 days or so . Pretty hard not to drop down in the standings if your not playing lol

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

@-Keon- lol maybe i am jealous that these guys get to talk about hockey all day for there jobs so what? Some of the stuff they say is so common sense that you wonder if there are really any sources at all in play there. Most of the time there wrong as well is another thing that suggests that sometimes these guys just put two and two together off common sense.

loomx
loomx

@-Keon- They're insiders because they break news stories and know a lot of people in the business. Have to filter out what's news and what's rumour mongering. Ex. Vern Fiddler IS available, the TSN guys just say "well Toronto would be a good fit", and conclude by saying "Toronto would like to add him".

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@-Keon- Wish he was playing better . Been a rough go for him this yr 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@wendelsway1 @Mind Bomb @Burtonboy  Just realised maybe that is why this site gets slow sometimes during gameday... lol.. most of us have dogs and we are out walking them to wear them out so we are not disturbed during game day!  The rest wearing out our kids. now if my wife would just let me wear here out ;-)

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@wendelsway1 @Mind Bomb @Burtonboy  I had Domi at the Vet 3 days ago, he is  115 pounds now, and he is 10 years old, he is not slowing down lol. He is part King Sheppard Part Lab, Part moron ! 

wendelsway1
wendelsway1

@Mind Bomb @wendelsway1 @Burtonboy lol.....still one more run to do before game time......a tired dog is a good dog....don't need a 120 lb dog pestering me during the game.......there is always a method to my madness......or so I keep telling my Hubby  :)

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@Burtonboy @Mind Bomb @Murph2417  I am not 100 percent positve on the number but the radio said London had about 158 accidents with the first snow fall. People just dont know that they have to slow down when the snow hits lol


Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@CanuckUKinToronto @Burtonboy Just saying these are tough teams to score against . I'll worry when the're not getting chances . Lups had 7 shots against Boston I believe. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@-Keon- Media give that line all the time about "discussions" only for us to later hear the GMs say, "we have never had discussions about these players". Telling other people how to feel about the media? Talk about pompous. 

phaneufoundlander
phaneufoundlander

@-Keon- I wouldn't give a Fiddlers fuck for Fiddler.....dear God, at least target a player with a bit more upside

Savo43
Savo43

@-Keon- Your supposed knowledge of insiders "knowing that teams have talked" is no different then one suggesting that they just report likely scenarios. You are sounding pompous as well there Keon. Just sayin. 

loomx
loomx

@-Keon- Oooh insiders as in people on MLHS and other message boards. Thought you were talking about people like Dreger and LeBrun. Yeah I'd imagine people on here are just thinking about potential trade scenarios.