Leafs interested in Fiddler, still looking to offload Liles

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From tonight’s Insider Trading on TSN:

[pull_quote_center]McKenzie:If you’ve been hearing a lot of Vernon Fiddler trade rumours it’s because two weeks ago he went to the Dallas Stars and said he wants more ice time and wants a bigger role, and if he can’t get it with Dallas than let it be somewhere else. He’s on an expiring contract at $1.8 million and an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year. There is interest in him from other teams but the Stars are wining and things are going well, so they’re not going to give him away. Keep an eye on this one.

Dreger: The Toronto Maple Leafs are one of those teams that have had discussions with Dallas about Fiddler. Toronto’s a little bit concerned about his age and the money, but the Leafs are looking for something. They’ve also had discussions on potentially trading John-Michael Liles to the Carolina Hurricanes but nothing imminent there.[/pull_quote_center]

When John Michael Liles is in the minors, the Leafs are pinged for 2,950,000 on the cap. If the Leafs were to deal Liles and retain half of his salary (maximum amount), they would be on the hook for 1,937,000. That doesn’t make sense to do over the length of the deal, but something like a million might. The maximum number of retained salaries is three per team, so this would put the Leafs at the max if it were to transpire. One stumbling block here is that Carolina has no more cap space than the Leafs.

When it comes to Vernon Fiddler, think of an upgrade on Smithson but a similar player type. 33 years old, veteran of nearly 600 games (has collected around 90 more points than Smithson in that time), plays around 2 minutes on the penalty kill, wins 53% of draws (this season), though surprisingly poor on the dot last season in the defensive zone and on the penalty kill. The downside is Fiddler is going to cost an asset, likely a mid round pick.

Nothing looks imminent here, but it seemed worth passing along.

  • rustynail

    seems like a rather big cost for not much of an upgrade for Fiddler

  • Burtonboy

    rustynail Watched Fiddler against Boston . He’s definetly an upgrade on Smithson

  • rustynail

    Burtonboy rustynail how much and for what cost?

  • http://troytechdesign.com/ TroyTech

    I’d pass on Fiddler if it was my choice. But then we’d still have Grabovski and no Liles, too.

  • http://troytechdesign.com/ TroyTech

    My solution to overtime: After an extended 4-on-4 OT, let say 7 minutes, both teams pull the goalies and continue 4-on-4.

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    tampa wins….hate 3 point games though

  • Cameron19

    Carolina has more space than the Leafs because they know that Pitkanen is done for the year, so they can actually use their LTIR.  We know that Bozak and Bolland will return, so we have no space.

  • Burtonboy

    rustynail Burtonboy Its a tough trade to make though for sure . We would wind up with less cap space unless we can send an equivalent amount of salary to Dallas ,plus he’s UFA .

  • rustynail

    Burtonboy rustynail he’s a rental anyhow but the trade cost is the problem in gaining cap

  • Burtonboy

    rustynail Burtonboy YEP I’d say this deal has little chance of happening

  • rustynail

    Cameron19 trade Liles for Pitkanen?

  • lieffan

    rustynail Cameron19 Genius, do it lol.

  • lieffan

    TroyTech Sigh

  • loomx

    Liles+Percy for Jay Harrison.

  • Cameron19

    rustynail Cameron19 Maybe, if he’s uninsured. The sooner the better if that’s the case.

  • Cameron19

    loomx I don’t know if moving Liles is worth Percy.  Maybe if we actually got something decent back. I just hope we’re not looking at a Liles for Tuomo Ruutu trade.

  • rustynail

    Cameron19 loomx that would be terrible with the length and cap hit of his deal

  • lieffan

    loomx I just vomited everywhere
    Percy has a real future in this league. Harrison has been a good bottom pair guy for Carolina but that would be a horrendous deal

  • Alec Brownscombe

    loomx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3mWJdgT0R8

  • LeafsForLife

    loomx Percy is better than Harrison. Pass

  • Komas Taberle

    It’s a braw night to be a Leaf fan isn’t it?

  • Tim Horton

    Komas Taberle You’re wearing your bra too?

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    In the middle of a 3-parter X-Files.  Mulder’s got a data tape of all the gov’t UFO files dating back to ’47 Roswell and on the run with Scully.  This 3-parter has aliens, implants, MJ-12, Navajo Indians, and ex-nazis (project paperclip).  Awesome stuff!!  X-Files was waaaay ahead of it’s time.
    Vape on!!

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Bon Scott was a Leaf fan Vince Gilligan is the man.

  • Komas Taberle

    Tim Horton Komas Taberle 
    yep strapless!

  • Komas Taberle

    LeafsForLife loomx 
    I know Jay, good guy , but I pass.

  • loomx

    @lieffan loomx Carolina would say the same thing. Percy might be good but that’s the point. We get to offload Liles but at the cost of losing Percy.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    loomx Percy has shown way too much promise in the past few months to be a throw in like that to move salary.

  • loomx

    Alec Brownscombe loomx Yeah, not saying I’d like it, but that’s probably what the deal would look like. Either Percy or Biggs. Harrison would be a huge upgrade over Fraser and Ranger too.

  • Cameron19

    loomx Alec Brownscombe Ugh, no he wouldn’t be. He’s a plug.

  • Black_Hawk

    Liles to Carolina makes sense since they need D and fiddler to us makes sense b/c we need a C. Funny Thing is most of us already thought of these scenarios weeks ago.

  • Xxxxxnew

    I watched it as it aired. Thing is, there’s so much that show did in the early 90s that’s been copied to death since, it’s hard to list it all. I bought the DVDs after and I watch it again every few years. JJ Abrams says it was the main inspiration for his work.

  • Komas Taberle

    loomx Alec Brownscombe Harrison has a bigger cap hit and he won’t be any better than Fraser or Ranger. Jay and Paul are good friends and I would bet Jay would say Paul is the better payer.

  • Wharf Rat

    I guess the Kulikov talks with Florida are no more since we’re looking for help up the middle. Or is Nonis still considering Kulikov?

  • loomx

    -Keon- They’re insiders because they break news stories and know a lot of people in the business. Have to filter out what’s news and what’s rumour mongering. Ex. Vern Fiddler IS available, the TSN guys just say “well Toronto would be a good fit”, and conclude by saying “Toronto would like to add him”.

  • loomx

    -Keon- Oooh insiders as in people on MLHS and other message boards. Thought you were talking about people like Dreger and LeBrun. Yeah I’d imagine people on here are just thinking about potential trade scenarios.

  • Sasha

    loomx Cameron19 loomx Alec Brownscombe
    You guys realize he didn’t cut it from 2001-2009, right? Why would the team that gave up on him bring him back in for a very good prospect? This literally makes no sense at all and is the kind of proposal that people parody us Leafs fans for.

  • Black_Hawk

    -Keon- lol maybe i am jealous that these guys get to talk about hockey all day for there jobs so what? Some of the stuff they say is so common sense that you wonder if there are really any sources at all in play there. Most of the time there wrong as well is another thing that suggests that sometimes these guys just put two and two together off common sense.

  • Savo43

    -Keon- Your supposed knowledge of insiders “knowing that teams have talked” is no different then one suggesting that they just report likely scenarios. You are sounding pompous as well there Keon. Just sayin.

  • WendelGilmour

    Pass on Fiddler. I wouldn’t spend any assets on a short term player, and Fiddler is declining. Stay the course and don’t make any deals that won’t be helpful in the long run.

  • MaxwellHowe

    Assuming the cap space can be gained, likely by trading Liles, trading Holzer or Blacker or that 4th rounder from Calgary for Fiddler seems like a sensible move. The Leafs need centre depth. My only reservation would be the possibility that adding him to the lineup might leave the Leafs no room for a move later on.

  • Optimustic

    WendelGilmour My thoughts exactly, why give assets away for a player we’ll only need when we have two centres injured at the same time.  If he doesn’t like limited ice time, how will he like the AHL?  
    I sure don’t feel he’s a replacement or an upgrade on any of our regular centres.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    @Sasha loomx Cameron19 Alec Brownscombe I think everyone has let him know that.

  • HeatherRickAkin

    a couple of thoughts …  so much talk about how to move Liles makes me think the Buds really missed the boat when they bought out Komisarek and his remaining ONE year dea, and kept Liles . I mean,,, how did that happen ???  Now : Percy, Biggs , Blacker . I don’t see the Marlies at all, and I take it they are just a mid pack team this year . That’s no reflection on the coach, but it seems to me that the only guy there doing anything on the scoreboard is the defenceman they signed as a UFA ….Brennan ?   I know goals and assists are not  the whole measure of progress , but most of our top prospects with the Marlies  are really quiet these days, are they not ?  In all likelihood , the best Leaf prospects are either in junior , or maybe overseas . And I guess theres a couple of college players in the USA . Maybe the AHL is a hard place to make your mark , although I just read that the Islanders Ryan Strome is absolutely killing the AHL, with about 16 pts in 12 games . He will be an Islander in the next few weeks. That’s the type of guy you put a pkg together for , not a Vern Fiddler .

  • phaneufoundlander

    -Keon- I wouldn’t give a Fiddlers fuck for Fiddler…..dear God, at least target a player with a bit more upside

  • phaneufoundlander

    Alec Brownscombe loomx agreed

  • Burtonboy

    CanuckUKinToronto Because we have played 2 of the toughest defensive teams in the League

  • Burtonboy

    Murph2417 Morning Murph. Freakin cold here last night. Real hard frost

  • MaxwellHowe

    Absolutely totally agree. The isles are deep at centre but need help at d and they need a goalie. I completely get the leafs desire to keep the two goalies, but eventually the isles will snatch up Hillier. It’s a tough call but if the Leafs believe it is possible to obtain Strome, they should jump at the opportunity and pi
    It together a package now

  • whalz

    Leafs better start winning some more games as they are clinging to a wildcard spot. Nonis needs to make a deal to help this team..