Tyler Bozak and Nazem Kadri could return as early as the 21st, but the Leafs needed to add some center depth regardless with Dave Bolland on the shelf indefinitely and nothing available on the Marlies yet past Trevor Smith.
The ideal scenario was Dave Nonis, in the place of acquiring a Vernon Fiddler type, grabbing a young center with some upside, especially since the organization had given up on Joe Colborne after preseason. In Peter Holland, a former 15th overall pick in 2009, that’s exactly what he’s acquired. It’s hard not to be pleased considering the Leafs badly needed something in the way of skilled upside on the depth chart at center.
Peter Holland was acquired from the Anaheim Ducks alongside Brad Stabuitz in exchange for Jesse Blacker, a conditional third (if Holland plays more than 25 games this season, this becomes a second) and a 7th round pick.
Peter Holland has nine points in ten games for the Norfolk Admirals this season, and one goal in four games for the Ducks. He was drafted eight slots behind Nazem Kadri in the 2009 draft, while Jesse Blacker was drafted 43 picks later in the second round that draft.
Peter Holland scouting report. pic.twitter.com/SNkOwRN8Hu
— Gus Katsaros (@KatsHockey) November 16, 2013
Holland is also an acquisition Don Cherry can get behind, hailing from Caledon, Ontario, and was one of the Leafs fans on Twitter who jinxed the Leafs in Game 7.
In talking to Jimmy Hughes, Director of Player Development, over the summer, one of his answers to a query about defenceman Jesse Blacker struck us. While many were mentioning Blacker as in the mix for a 6 or 7 defence spot potentially, Hughes said he just wanted Blacker to take a step forward on the Marlies. Immediately one was left with the impression that he wasn’t progressing as some might have thought. He’s a kid with a lot of tools, but also some frustrating tendencies to his game. Hughes’ description that the organization would like to see Blacker learn the trade as a dependable “shutdown guy with a good first pass” was interesting; I can’t say for sure if this meant they wanted to see some of the offensive instincts in Blacker’s game reined in, but the feeling I was getting was that Blacker’s path to the NHL wasn’t all that clear as of yet. In the end, he was an expendable piece given the array of defensive prospects the Leafs have assembled in their pipeline.
This isn’t a deal either side can celebrate as a victory until we have a number of years to see where Blacker and Holland go with their respective careers. The other angle to consider when assessing this trade as months and years go by is whether or not the Leafs were better off keeping Colborne than giving up these assets for Holland. Obviously the Ducks aren’t thrilled with Holland’s progress to have moved him for what they have. We can, however, be pleased that Nonis addressed a pretty glaring need by adding a 22 year old center with upside and good size to boot.
It’s not clear on why Brad Staubitz was packaged alongisde Holland in this deal – likely because Anaheim was looking to dump the salary – but he will be Marlie bound. In 230 career NHL games with San Jose, Minnesota, Montreal and Anaheim, the six-foot-one, 207-pound native of Bright’s Grove, Ont., has 10 goals, 11 assists and 520 penalty minutes. Taking on any deal below the $925,000 threshold doesn’t matter much to the Leafs.
Holland is expected to center either the top line or the second line with Joffrey Lupul and David Clarkson tonight. Carlyle will already be familiar with him as a prospect in the Anaheim system for a year and a half before Carlyle was fired. Just as we were preparing for another ugly, likely boring and low-scoring game against the Sabres, we’ve now got some intrigue.
Holland’s first career NHL goal from a few years back:
Getting rid of Colborne was a big mistake......Burke fleeced Nonis there a fourth round pick pfffftttt! lol.
So.....the 2009 NHL draft picks the Leafs selected after Kadri seem to be career minor leaguers:
Kenny Ryan = (bust, at best career minor leaguer)
Jesse Blacker = (career minor leaguer but jury still out)
Jamie Devane = (career minor leaguer)
Eric Knodel = (jury still out but did not stand our at Leafs prospect camp this summer)
Jerry D'Aimgo = (Srry folks, looking like a career minor leaguer)
Brad Smith = (BUST)
My question is, why did ANH trade him, did we wow them with blacker? is there Center depth so deep ?
This is a quote from a calgary fan after the first couple of games of watching Colborne...
"As someone else said on here... For someone who's 6'5" he's been relatively invisible out there" (I'm paraphrasing as I couldn't find the actual quote)
He's played 19 minutes (25 shifts) and has had 0 goals, 0 assists, and 0 shots on goal. Not overly impressed so far."
Then this a few weeks into the season...
"He is doing alright. Probably no better or worse than a guy like Horak would. It's one of those things that you never really know if a guy like Colborne is going to actually put it all together. If he does, then you've got a good 3rd/4th line C that's massive and can chip in. If not, it's a waste of a 4th round pick (not a huge deal)"
Doesn't sound like he's the center of attention like you are suggesting on most nights. Most of the Calgary fans that i've spoken to don't think much of him at this point...
Sounds like Grandberg just nailed someone with a big hit . Announcers are saying he's really ramped up his physical game lately
Great chat today !!
Nice to have something to talk about besides our injury woes. Thanks all !!
Let's Kill Buffalo tonight !!
Hope the ref's let us actually hit tonight ... that would be nice for a change.
I must be missing something big. Joe was traded for by Burkie and taken over Wheeler. NoNo decided to give him the one-way. Whether he plays well or not it's Management that made all the moves. The hate for Joe surprises me. He didn't work out, sad. The only accountability Joe has, is not living up to the supposed potential the Media and the fans anticipated. I happen to wish Joe the best.
And that would have been ideal.
Stats show there's only a 17% per cent chance a third rounder will land an NHL job, and it drops off from there.
@daniel marois His name was Barron Smith, dammit. And I laughed my ass off when we drafted him. I saw him around Ptbo not too long ago. He was never going to play pro hockey anywhere.
@daniel marois lol, Okay. Anyone not an established NHL'er by 22 = career over.
@daniel marois or career Oilers
I wouldn't be so quick to jump on Devane. Kid can skate, shoot and drop the gloves. Give him time to develop... and Jesse Blacker could get the opportunity that he needs in Anaheim that he couldn't get here because of our depth at D.
According to the Anaheim fans I was talking to Holland was 6th on the depth chart at C.
@Burtonboy better timing in the smaller ice perhaps
@Mind BombHow about "Peter" "Holland"...or..."Dick" "Dutch" LOL! Hmm...maybe not...!
@Xxxxxnew So we're in agreement: Leafs stop drafting after 3rd round?
Well...I am hopeful I am wrong on Devane. I never understood why Morrison felt the need to use a third rounder on him thinking there was no way he would have been available in later rounds. I know way back then every GM was on the lookout for the next "Lucic" type prospect. But Devane has not shown that potential yet.
That's why I tagged Blacker as a jury still out type guy, but the fact is, has not been able to make the jump to the NHL. Even MacWilliam, who was drafted a year before Blacker, is higher on the depth chart than Blacker is.
Yes, Devane posseses all those qualities. But enough to play on a regular shift in the NHL or constantly being sent back and forth between NHL and AHL? That's really the question with him.
He didn't live up to our expectations. Burkie seems to be a believer. I just see "the blame" being with Management for the course of actions they took. Joe is a contract. Play well, get another one, play poorly, get traded, demoted or cut. Management holds all the cards.
Exaclty. He was at one point the captain for the USA team for a reason. Biggs knows how to play... give him a good center and I'm sure his points will go up.
Look at a guy like Malone... he didn't play in the NHL until 5 years after he was drafted by the Pittsburgh. Power forwards do take more time to develop. Let's just give him that time.
@daniel marois @GreekGod @Cameron19 @TheCanucksnaphook I think they have to find him a center that knows how to make use of a guy like him If I'm not mistaken, he was voted the hardest shooter in the OHL last year. This guy can score goals. There's no way he should be struggling this hard in the AHL.
Agreed. But Couture and Biggs are two different type of players. One is pure skill and the other is a crash and banger. Biggs will definetely have the size to play in the NHL. But if he can't put up points, he won't stay in the league for too long.
@daniel marois @Cameron19 @TheCanucksnaphook He basically wasted a year of his development going back to college though. And I wouldn't be surprised if Spott is misusing him now. I also think that all our winger prospects are probably being hampered to some degree by the total lack of scoring centers on the Marlies.
@daniel marois @TheCanucksnaphook That was an all out Burke pick. I have a feeling he went over Morrison's head and just decided to draft him there. And we can see now that Burke was thinking 5 years down the road I want to have a bottom six that has guys like Devane, Biggs, Ashton, etc..... I don't think it was really about the Lucic factor. That may have been the case with Biggs though.
@dlb eh There's worse, there was Grant Rollheiser who never stole the starting job as goalie in all 4 years of NCAA service. Now plays in the CHL with the Brampton Beast.
Late round picks, by defenitions, can't be "busts" because they come with little expectation. They're all project picks.
@dlb eh He went unsigned, played an OA year back in Saskatoon, the Rangers signed him as a Free Agent. Playing in the ECHL with very limited production to date.
@dlb eh So was Josh Nicholls. What a bad pick.
That's exactly what the Leafs are hoping for. Nonis is staying right on script. Will only give up youth and draft picks if another young player is coming the other way. Let's hope Leafs pro scouting staff saw something in Holland that was worth getting.
@daniel marois @Cameron19 That's just what happens when you become a better team though. Chicago has tons of guys like that in their system, and that's why they can just add pieces like Versteeg without a second thought. Someone like Blacker might not make our roster, but he should be a nice fit elsewhere. I bet D'Amigo could be a valuable PK guy and bottom six guy for EDM right now. These guys will probably eventually find NHL homes.
Was kidding about the Ryan and top-9 status. Sheesh. Those three still have a chance to be NHLers - all I'm saying is that they are WAY down the Leafs list with respect to call-ups or earning a regular NHL spot. As for Knodel, as I said, jury still out. He is putting up some nice numbers in his last yr of NCAA play.
@daniel marois @Cameron19 lol, I missed that part of my comment. I'll give you Ryan - doesn't look like he's going to do anything. But D'Amigo, Devane and Blacker will likely all still play in the NHL, in my opinion. Impossible to say what Knodel will do when he's playing in college - those guys develop at different rates and are hard to predict. MacWilliam looks solid and not many people even knew who he was last year. I certainly didn't have any high hopes for him, but now it looks like he will crack the bigs at some point.
@daniel marois @GreekGod What do you mean "even MacWilliam who was drafted a year before". Of course guys that are older and have more development are further up the depth chart. Having said that, I also think that management decided in the summer that Blacker would be moved, and so his position on our depth chart may have been a bit fabricated. They didn't give him a chance at all at camp, and then just immediately benched him seemingly without reason. He was a top 4 guy on a more successful Marlies team last year, so it seems like there might be something fishy there. Methinks Blacker wasn't very happy with his lack of opportunity here and let it be known....