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Wednesday Mashup: Ghosts of the Southeast Division

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I hope everyone is enjoying the early stages of their hangover this morning. I assume everyone is hungover because the Leafs game last night was a debacle that would drive any Leafs fan to have a few swigs of whatever is closest at hand. The dreaded Southeast-opponent-on-a-Tuesday-night curse has reared its ugly head once again, and even the dissolution of the Southeast division can’t put it to rest it would seem.

The meanest part of the toughest stretch of the schedule is behind the Leafs at this point and they will have to start winning hockey games again if they want to be in the playoff conversation for the rest of the season. Things will have to turn around very quickly or else we could be talking draft lottery by the Olympic break.

Coming through the so-called “Deathcember” with 6 of a possible 18 points so far is obviously not a particularly exciting development. The game against the LA Kings last Wednesday was the strongest Leafs effort of the season to this point even though they came away with nothing to show for it. After a shocking upset win over Chicago, dropping both games of a back-to-back when both were winnable is frustrating to say the least. Phoenix is in town on Thursday followed by Detroit on Saturday. The Leafs will have to regroup quickly and rediscover the missing ingredient present for the LA and Chicago games.

Carlyle in his post-game presser seemed to think fatigue was a major reason for the slow start Tuesday, as opposed to the slow start against Pittsburgh, which he attributed to mental dullness. Carlyle also admitted to noted jerkwad Steve Simmons that the losing is starting to reach a crisis point.

Reimer was noticeably peeved enough to depart from his typical gee-willikers comportment, even going as far to use an abbreviation for a curse word when he called any injury or busy-schedule excuses “BS.” He also added:

Red flags everywhere.

Trevor Smith broke a bone in his hand and left the game, which is yet another hit to the Leafs thin depth at centre. Jerred Smithson, oh joy, has been recalled.

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dlb meh
dlb meh

i'll leave this thread with the idea of trying

Lupul-Holland-Kessel

JVR-Kadri-Clarkson

Kulemin-McClemment-D'Amigo

Raymond-Smithson-McLaren

Optimustic
Optimustic

3rd period starting for the Marlies.  Go Marlies Go.  Beat the baby Sabres.

Optimustic
Optimustic

3 - 1 Turds score on the PP.  :-(

Optimustic
Optimustic

Jagr scores 3 - 0 Devils over the Turds/

WendelGilmour
WendelGilmour

I've spent a good part of today listening to both MSM and folks here pinning the top lines' lack of production on Naz playing poorly, which is not what I'm seeing at all. I think Naz has been the best of the 3. JVR and Kessel are cold right now, and they have both had terrible turnovers at bad times, and their pathetic board play in their zone is as bad as it was 2 years ago. Both have been getting a pass based on reputation, imo.

dlb meh
dlb meh

i do have questions about our system.  namely the icings.  it seems our players are asked to ring pucks around the boards, and hammer passes to players waiting to tip them over the centre ice line.  so many failed attempts.  so many low percentage plays.

i understand coaches preach getting pucks out with conviction.  are our players doing what the coach wants?  or are they being stupid about it?  i mean, there's a time and a place for everything, but sometimes the simple hard play is the 24th thing on the list to try and it seems we are skipping straight to that.  a lot.  and icing the puck.  a lot.

LeafsForLife
LeafsForLife

Anyone tell me, is Micheal Del Zotto of NYR, an offensive or defensive defenceman? Just reading of rumors that Leafs are in the discussions for him.

Zep2
Zep2

Watching the 3 goals from last nite, for the 1st time  its a bit of a joke. .


The 2nd and 3rd goals  are gifts . No pressure exerted by the opposition. Just lackadaisical  play. Beating ourselves


The Pit game the same. Don't show up for the 1st few minutes, cough up, a lead. Out play the Pens for next 50 . Ice the puck with no pressure , face-off , Sid scores. game over


Too predictable

Zep2
Zep2

@Mcost61 Dangle nailed it .  So did Riemer in his interview . No excuses


Having said that, the writing was on the wall for Riemer once it was reported that the great hockey mind Wendel Clark purportedly claimed that Riemer needed to go. With Berniers arrival, Riemers departure was just when not if. Trade deadline, 2014 draft .

His argument about asset management is valid but is dependent on what Nonis gets for Riemer  and when


Like what he said about Holland.  Play him more. 

leafsjon
leafsjon

@dlb eh Why break up JVR/Kessel? Raymond is one of our top scorers, why put him on 4th line? Clarkson is  a bust, give him 3rd or 4th line minute until he gets his shit together.

dlb meh
dlb meh

@Jmessih

and none of that is saying the kid can't improve or be the man.  it's just part of his development to me.

whalz
whalz

What's so funny? Lol

They are only a few points behind us which is great that their losing, but if Leafs don't smarten up we could be on the outside looking in for a playoff postition by Xmas

shawzy9
shawzy9

@WendelGilmour Kadri has played poorly.disappointing I thought he would show that he was ready to be a number 1 he has a long ways to go

Zep2
Zep2

@WendelGilmour JVR has fallen in love with the MOVE. 


The 3 of them are playing like Picassos with all the nifty stuff


Time to paint some shithouses and get some pucks at the net

dlb meh
dlb meh

@WendelGilmour

i've seen good moments from Naz, but i've hardly seen him generate more offense than Bozak has.  he's at his best when he's playing Nasty and i've seen bits of that, but he's also been careful not to get penalties so he hasn't been balls out or anything.

i've seen Naz turn pucks over inside our blueline a lot more lately than earlier in the season.  and i haven't seen te coach jump down his throat, so he's getting a chance to play through his imperfections.

i don't see his wingers failing like you do, though.  Naz doesn't move the puck like Bozak does to them, so it's an adjustment.  Naz wants the puck, Bozak wants to move it.  you guys can pretend that's not suitable for that line, but it is.

and it's a good thing we can get production out of the top line with a guy like Bozak because it allows us to use other gifted centres to improve other lines' offensive abilities.

Jay31
Jay31

@WendelGilmour It's based on morons like Steve Simmons who spread the myth of Bozak being the right fit there because he's a good "three zone" player. Bozak's ok but nothing special, and he doesn't really add anything to the first line when he's on it. The only reason it seems like he's good defensively is because he hardly ever has the puck so it's not like he'll be able to turn it over anyway, and he never tries to do anything special with it.


He's a good PKer I guess but he's not some great 2-way forward like Toews or something.

djamon
djamon

@Alec Brownscombe Great analysis Alec. The takeaway for me is that Nonis wasn't able to see into the future when he was deciding who to buy out, and who to pursue in Free Agency. We all wanted Clarkson...hell we assumed he was going to be a Leaf all last year.

There's not a team in the league that could have survived the losses at centre we've experienced. But what has really bothered me was that even before the injuries started we weren't playing the way I though we would...the way we did last year. Fast, physical and opportunistic.

I don't think Nonis is going to over-react if things keep going south. It may be best to let it ride and just write off the season as a freak occurrence and take the top 10 pick next June. 

Zep2
Zep2

@Alec Brownscombe Holland trade was a mini steal, though at this pace the 3rd will turn into a 2nd. he should get more minutes. Has potential to play in top 6 and push Kadri

I liked the Bolland acquisition ,was puzzled by Grabs and thought that Clarkson would add to the team but hated the 7 years.


The Bernier deal, after less than ringing endorsement from management after playoffs  and Clarks rumoured  comments , were not surprising.


No one could predict or dream that Clarkson would be this ineffective.  


maybe when Bozak gets back ,they can do Clarkson / Kadri /Lupul  or put Kadri there now and put Holland with Phil and JVR


Leafs have tied themselves to Clarkson for awhile , they need to find away to get him going.

WendelGilmour
WendelGilmour

@Alec BrownscombeBetween the Ranger decision, and RC's refusal to play Reilly, Gards, and JML all at the same time the D decisions are killing us.

Having said this, I also hope Nonis stays calm and doesn't do anything that involves trading younger guys for older vets from a position of weakness.

lieffan
lieffan

@Alec Brownscombe that's a hell of a take down, you should post it as a blog so we can watch the fireworks fly


please and thankyou

WendelGilmour
WendelGilmour

@dlb ehIt's the way the players are failing to execute them properly. The idea is to make that stretch pass for the tip-in while you have a full head of steam to forecheck with. I don't like the play, but it can be a little effective if done properly.

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Zep2 @Mcost61 I agreed with his implication that Reimer is not sticking around to be a back up.  I know he's RFA, but assuming his play remains as is, he'll get an offer sheet.  What is it, $3.3 million and the compensation is a 2nd rounder?  Yeah, some team will go for that.  If you'll recall, that was the same reason LA traded Bernier.

Optimustic
Optimustic

@Jmessih @Optimustic Yeah, it was Zajac  off for interference.  The goal looked to be deflected at least twice before it went in.

Optimustic
Optimustic

@whalz Ahh, it's the Turds.  Any excuse to laugh at them is a good excuse to me.  

WendelGilmour
WendelGilmour

@dlb eh@WendelGilmourI guess the difference is you see Naz turning the puck over when I'm seeing the other 2 doing it more frequently.

Regardless of whether we agree on that I think it's unfair to say the line isn't producing because of Naz.

dlb meh
dlb meh

@Jay31

you're right, he's not Toews.  or Bergeron.  but he's got Kessel and JVR on his line so he doesn't have to be.  he gets us possession and gives it to the two guys who score.  and it works consistantly.

Kadri is getting his chance on the top line and he hasn't convinced me that he deserves it when guys start coming back.  he also needs a longer look because he hasn't proven he'll never be good enough.

i'd say Bozak has been the best we've had for that position so far.  granted, he's had the most opportunity, but he's allowed Kessel to produce with Lupul and with JVR.

Shafty
Shafty

@djamon that's how the Avs got Mackinnon when they already had an embarrassment of riches.

The_Polish_Cannon
The_Polish_Cannon

@WendelGilmour @dlb eh you're right it can be effective, I just wish they would not attempt it every god damn breakout with such poor execution. Every team knows they're going for it and leads to countless turnovers

Zep2
Zep2

@MaxwellHowe @Zep2 @Mcost61 Then that will turn out to be poor asset management . But to me , that has been the plan since the trade was made.  Having Riemer unhappy and not playing or playing well  going into the deadline will not boost his value. 



shawzy9
shawzy9

@WendelGilmour@shawzy9  what 2 points last 6-7 games...never wins a draw, a turnover  machine.He wants to be a number 1.He has not got kessel or jvr going.so I guess you can disagree with the assessment.

dlb meh
dlb meh

@WendelGilmour

1.  this sort of report doesn't get the same attention

2.  i think they watch the games with a preconception of what they're about to see (and that information is shared amongst them)

dlb meh
dlb meh

@WendelGilmour

i see the line getting plenty of opportunities and i think they've been out-classing the opposition overall in their matchups.  not getting much help wth the scoring, and when they do...we win. go figure.

i do see them all turning pucks over.  but Naz's mistakes are just closer to the blue lines (how i remember it)

Jay31
Jay31

@Alec Brownscombe  I think you should make it a post. 


"It’s better than Bozak-Kadri-Bolland-McClement-Smith, to these eyes, but is it good? And more importantly, is it capable of surviving two significant long term injuries without looking horribly depleted? No. "


That part specifically ^ is something a lot of people don't seem to understand when they rag on the Leafs center depth.

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@The_Polish_Cannon @Zep2

I know I am going to attract outrage and groans, but unless we see a team improvement before the New Year, I say Reimer and a prospect or Gunnersson for Ryan Strome and the Isles back up.  Isles are desperate for D and goalkeeping.  and have a surplus at C

The_Polish_Cannon
The_Polish_Cannon

@Zep2 @MaxwellHowe @Mcost61 I actually believe it was good asset management. In order to make trades you must have a surplus in an area. The leafs have been stocking the their cupboard by drafting and acquiring defensemen. They had an opportunity to acquire a highly touted young goalie without pulling from that cupboard. Now they have with 2 good young goalies, and young Dmen they can create a package for that centre they have always coveted. That is, in my opinion, what Nonis' plan is

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Zep2 @MaxwellHowe @Mcost61 yeah, but here we are.  I say trade him now if that is the eventual intention, because he ain't seeing his numbers or demeanor or value improve in TO.  Waiting until its obvious the Leafs have to trade him would only compound the error