Post Game Thread: Shootout Loss to Detroit

Post Game Thread: Shootout Loss to Detroit

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The Leafs dropped a 5-4 shootout decision to the arch-rival Detroit Red Wings tonight in Toronto. I missed a portion of the game due to various Christmas functions I was attending but a few things stood out from what I saw:

  • Reimer got pulled after a period and 3 goals against…again. Seems a touch unfair seeing as Bernier has yet to be pulled from any of his starts this season.
  • Carlyle’s insistence on using Raymond in the shootout over other options is becoming a point of frustration. Without the spin-o-rama in his arsenal I don’t know that he’s a good option in lieu of some other players on the bench.
  • 24/7 will have a good time breaking this game down, with multiple lead changes, overtime and a shootout decision.
  • Rielly just missed a game-winner in overtime, would have been an incredible accomplishment on home ice.
  • If the roads where I live are any indication, ice quality should be good for an outdoor game.

Hopefully everyone is staying safe in southern Ontario where the roads are closer to a rink than pavement. Merry Christmas Leafs fans!

341 comments
Chris Jay
Chris Jay

Just finished watching 24/7 episode 2,  I've noticed a few guys crushing Red Bulls before the game, i wonder how many other guys do that, I find it makes you crash pretty hard later.  Also looked like they were eating some pretty questionable food on the plane, pork rolls was the only thing i heard but it just makes me wonder; how can we have the richest team in the league with all these guys being paid millions to be at the very top of their game, and not be teching the fuck out of their diets!?!? They're eating shitty fried foods, hotel breakfasts and energy drinks. No wonder they're crashing mid-way through the game. If they don't have a nutritionist on the payroll they definitely need one, and really enforcing healthy eating before a game, it would probably make a world of difference.

loomx
loomx

Typical Leafs management. First Rask, Gustavsson, Scrivens, and now Reimer. A long line of good goalies who get discarded and do better elsewhere. Apparently carrying the whole team on your back to the playoffs means absolutely nothing. Instead, you waste assets on another goalie, casting the other one aside. Oh well. I hope Reimer kicks ass on whatever team he ends up on.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

We face the rangers tomorrow night on a second game of back to back.   

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

So Franson has been dealing with a hip issue since the start of the season eh.

JMAC17
JMAC17

Anyone find a torrent download of 24-7 part 2?

WendelGilmour
WendelGilmour

@Chris JayThese guys are well aware of proper nutrition. All players are given a training regimen and diets. All Leaf draft picks are brought to town each summer to spend a week learning specifically about nutrition, complete with chefs and cooking lessons. Not much else the Leafs can do if the players don't follow it.

loomx
loomx

@Chris Jay And mayybe we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions based on a few shots of a TV show.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@Chris Jay This is the blue and white entitlement disease.  The rich Toronto franchise that gives their players all these nice perks - foods, best equipment and facilities - and the players haven't earned this.   The wings facility looks like an old dive.  The team is hungrier, the players are hungrier and it shows in their game.   Time to take away the almond butter and make them earn their rewards.  

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@loomx Regardless, Steve Dangle hit the nail on the head - if the intention is to trade him do it as early as possible.  Don't let this fester into a controversy so that, as with the Canucks, you're forced to give him away for far less than his value. 

Komas Taberle
Komas Taberle

@loomx 

He also let in 3 soft gaols in the last 15 mins to lose game 7, he is not the calibre of Bernier, he should be traded while we can still get something for him.

loomx
loomx

@wendelsfist Means absolutely nothing when we play teams. It's the number one excuse from Carlyle though when we play the second half of a B2B

 Black Phantom
Black Phantom

@wiski two words James...boo hoo.....man, he has to be the most unorthodox goalie in the league...flopping round, out of position, terrible terrible rebound control, lateral movement sub-par, weak glove.....take a seat on the bench James, its where you belong.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@wiski Are they desperate for callers because I'm bored as heck tonight until the game starts a little later tonight.  And should I argue yes or no to the question?

PepTalk
PepTalk

@Yaknowwhat Not sure. He should have been pulled . He was terrible! Don't like what I see between the two. My gut tells me that Reimer will be gone next year.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Yaknowwhat If he wasn't mad I'd be more pissed . No goalie wants to be pulled from a game 

loomx
loomx

@Komas Taberle @loomx Oh AND Reimer has a better record than Bernier. Apparently Carlol is so finicky that he's already abandoned his "win and you're in" mentality and instead adopting a "look good and you're in".

loomx
loomx

@Komas Taberle @loomx Bernier let in 3 goals in 10 minutes to lose the game against Carolina earlier in the season. 3 goals in 15 minutes earlier in the season against Columbus. 3 goals in 14 minutes against Nashville. 4 straight goals against Montreal without getting pulled. 3 goals in 10 minutes against Boston. 5 games out of 24. That inspires confidence?

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@loomx @wendelsfist Well then Carlyle unlike other coaches probably hasn't got the team into good enough shape for this dense schedule with the olympic break

Chris Jay
Chris Jay

@loomx@wendelsfist@Chris JayHahaha, just makin conversation :) Obviously I don't have much info other than what I've seen on the show but it just makes sense to me that these guys should be eating a far more superior diet that any ol non-athelete. It really makes a difference, I know quite a few marathon runners, and they are extremely serious about their diets and they're amateurs. These guys are pros. Making millions. Just as much thought should be going into diets as any other part of their game. Of course its a combination of coaching, lazyness. "blue-and-white disease" but all that can really boil down to on-ice energy level. I'd like to believe we have the talent. I'm really just looking for other reasons that these guys are losing so bad.

loomx
loomx

@wendelsfist @loomx @Chris Jay Something that's more blatantly obvious. A long string of events>a few camera shots of food in 24/7. But ok, if you want to say that the reason we're inferior to Detroit is that the Leafs eat expensive food and work out in expensive buildings then that's up to you. It's definitely not the largely superior and competent coaching, management, and talent.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@loomx @Komas Taberle  Reimer has been unlucky with much less goal support from the team.  For some reason, the leafs score more often when Bernier is in net.  

loomx
loomx

@Komas Taberle @loomx You know that allowing 3 goals and having a .893 SV% is not really impressive right? If you're going to point at a single performance, you might as well point to Reimer beating the 2nd place Penguins and only allowing 1 goal.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Xxxxxnew And with all this new equipment that's on the horizon they will only get faster 

Luke_R
Luke_R

@Burtonboy @rustynail or the players being so large, told to be physical and go hard as fuck on an ice surface clearly too small for them? I think this is the real problem... ice has to be bigger but wont

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

I also believe ys a byproduct of how fast players are going out there without the redline and no obstruction. I actually like the no redline and no obstruction, but I'm noticing that when guys collide even legally with the extra speed the Iron Man equipment they wear is causing injuries.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@rustynail @Burtonboy We know Kessel is banged up for sure . Hendricks mentioned a lot of guys dealing with problems when he was on the hangout . In fact its a problem league wide and I think a lot of it is related to this condensed schedule 

PepTalk
PepTalk

@Yaknowwhat @rustynail @PepTalk I feel that when Bernier comes in, like last night, there's still a chance at a comeback. If the reverse were true, I wouldn't feel as comfortable at a comeback. However, when it comes to the shootout, Reimer has been lights out!

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Yaknowwhat @Burtonboy Normal reaction as far as I'm concerned . People are looking for skeletons in closets when there probably aren't any.