Post Game Thread: Shootout Loss to Detroit

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The Leafs dropped a 5-4 shootout decision to the arch-rival Detroit Red Wings tonight in Toronto. I missed a portion of the game due to various Christmas functions I was attending but a few things stood out from what I saw:

  • Reimer got pulled after a period and 3 goals against…again. Seems a touch unfair seeing as Bernier has yet to be pulled from any of his starts this season.
  • Carlyle’s insistence on using Raymond in the shootout over other options is becoming a point of frustration. Without the spin-o-rama in his arsenal I don’t know that he’s a good option in lieu of some other players on the bench.
  • 24/7 will have a good time breaking this game down, with multiple lead changes, overtime and a shootout decision.
  • Rielly just missed a game-winner in overtime, would have been an incredible accomplishment on home ice.
  • If the roads where I live are any indication, ice quality should be good for an outdoor game.

Hopefully everyone is staying safe in southern Ontario where the roads are closer to a rink than pavement. Merry Christmas Leafs fans!

  • Belfour20

    Go LEAFS Go! Dust yourself off and try again Monday.

  • Zep2

    I was hoping that if we got to Xmas and be above .500 wed be ok

    Worse we can do now is 1 game over .500. Not sure well be ok now.  1st line is 00-forever and showing no sign of being interested.

    Lupul/Holland /Kessel might send a message

  • Xxxxxnew

    If, as some believe, the team has quit on Carlyle after 100 games, I don’t think there’s much hope for the next coach coming in if that’s what this group is about. Why listen to someone who keeps bugging you to play harder and smarter when you can listen to a few million fans who think you’re amazing just because you wear the blue and white.

  • PEIleafnation

    win on Monday would be great way to end the xmas break…pts in 3 straight then

  • Zep2

    We bitch constantly about Bozak, but both Wilson and Carlyle trusted him to play big minutes. No centre topped 19 min tonite and we had 3 wingers on the PP1

  • wiski

    Belfour20 To lazy to even do that ffs

  • Cloud09

    Zep2 Wilson hasn’t had a job since… I think that speaks quite a bit IMO.

  • Cloud09

    Flirting_With_Disaster Cloud09 Zep2 I thought he had a sighting at the last WJC or World Championships with team USA but I’m not sure if it was him.

  • wiski

    Flirting_With_Disaster Cloud09 Zep2 Took the money and ran

  • Xxxxxnew

    He lives in Carolina, had a big place there for years.

  • Cloud09

    wiski Flirting_With_Disaster Cloud09 Zep2 Don’t blame him.

  • wiski

    Silence is golden

  • Xxxxxnew

    I’d be happy if he could just win faceoffs.

  • Zep2

    Good nite folks

  • Cloud09

    Xxxxxnew Isn’t that what he is supposed to be good at?? I thought that’s why the Leafs paid him sixteen million dollars.

  • Cloud09

    This team just isn’t very good. A few nice pieces to build around but you can’t tell me that Bolland and Bozak will turn this team completely around. The short season was a flash in the pan, and the eastern conference is so bad that the Buds might squeak in by default. This is unfortunate since it will validate the way this team is built and plays as a viable way to win. I love my Leafs but this just looks and feels like the same shit since the ’05 lockout.

  • Komas Taberle

    Cloud09 Flirting_With_Disaster Zep2 
    I believe he was a medal presenter after the final game and selling hot dogs between periods.

  • Waiting4LSC

    Every game I start out hopeful. Most times it’s Groundhog day. My last concerned post I said the players had to find themselves. Holland went on record saying when they played RCs system properly (paraphrasing) they win. Well HELLO , they don’t. Don’t see much motivation from the coaching staff. Coaches can fuck with the D line up, but we continue to watch lack of production from the top line. And how about the Coaches emphasizing a way of clearing the zone because our Defensive genii think pinball ing around the side wall is the best way…. For the O to stay on the boards and steal. So many times a game you’d think these Magi would sense the futility. My message is one of despair. The Coaches are killing us. They don’t play on the ice, but they effect it with the pairings and the minutes. They allow players to keep doing the same shit expecting a different result when in fact there repetition broadcasts to every other team the OBVIOUS. Next game I will start out with hope, but whennI see the line up it will be despair cos Orr may be in (like him but he has lost a step this year, and seems not to intimidate)

  • Belfour20

    TheCanucksnaphook 

    Softer than Cottonelle

  • Black_Hawk

    TheCanucksnaphook Belfour20 pftt….. drinking wine and calling ppl pussies

  • Black_Hawk

    TheCanucksnaphook Belfour20 just joking if u see this when im off

  • sniperstar

    On the bright side the weather is awesome! I went skating and literally skated home after! That’s how icy my sidewalks were.

  • darthNihilus

    did our first line play tonight?

  • rockydundas

    darthNihilusDefine ‘play’

  • Biltmore

    Kadri’s not a #1 centre. 

    Clarkson should stay on the third line.

    Gunner should be third pairing. 

    Two of the off season moves were poison.

  • Xxxxxnew

    SportsnetSpec: This script is an old one. Early goals in 3rd, and this one is over. Not sure I’ve ever seen Oilers in this state. They’re a mess.

  • wendelsfist

    Biltmore Kadri defensive coverage reads is hurting him as a 1C especially paired with Kessel.  Bozak is still ahead of him defensively and I think even holland might be ahead of Kadri defensively.

  • Biltmore

    wendelsfist Biltmore Holland is ahead of Kadri defensively.

  • wiski

    Biltmore Bozak will be back soon then Bolland

  • wendelsfist

    Biltmore wendelsfist Our top 6 is just terrible defensively and deadly offensively.  They will improve defensively but it is not something they were are starting late as until now because other team members played shutdown, PK and defensive roles.  And there role was generallly PP and offense.

  • wendelsfist

    TheCanucksnaphook Belfour20 And not just soft, I find  this team is not good along the wall.  They appear clueless or inferior to other teams.   That said, the leafs are better at scoring and shooting but not so much lately

  • NotSince67

    Any torrents for 24/7 ep 2?

  • lukethenuke

    NotSince67 im looking for a stream too

  • Jmessih

    I know that the media is doing their part, BUT this war of words between Reimer and Caryle may get out of hand (comments after the game were not flattering), Reimer gave Randy one of the biggest death stairs of all time…during the game. This could get ugly.

  • lukethenuke

    Jmessih was that actually towards carlyle?

  • lukethenuke

    Jmessih i missed all of this i was at the game lol

  • Jmessih

    lukethenuke Jmessih Firstly congrats was a decent game after the first, later third was horrible but hell of a second and OT. Secondly, yes it was. After the game when asked if he has a shorter leash he said “No Comment”. When asked about the decision to be pulled he said he does not want to get too much into it. Said he didn’t agree with the decision but who would and he said he still respects the decision. RC said he did not look like he was in the zone, third goal went through him and he muffled the first shot of the game, caused some concern. Both seemed slightly tense, too me the death stair said more, James was LIVID!!

  • DJBrianBurke

    JmessihlukethenukeI was livid after letting almost a carbon copy of the Phoenix goal tonight. Can’t really blame Randy for pulling him, it worked. Don’t like it Reimer? Play better and show him. When your d sucks, you have to be that much better.

  • Jmessih

    DJBrianBurke Jmessih lukethenuke I don’t blame Randy for the pull, I’d have done the same. The D and team were horrible so you have to feel for him. I’m more of a Bernier fav but still I gotta feel for Reimer a little. I’m just saying I think the media will take this story and run with it, could get very ugly.

  • lukethenuke

    Notes from the game:
    Kessel is WAY too soft… really hindering his game and level… was invisible again… becoming a real concern… losses puck battles like its going out of style
    Phaneuf seemed solid, as did Gardiner and Rielly
    Gunner, Franson were good but they take way too long with the puck… i dont mind patience, but holding it, AND not moving your feet, then following up with a completely readable pass is unacceptable… really concerning.
    Clarkson was porr, but good showing on banging in the goal… he and lupul are quite poor defensivly and i dont know if theyre suppose to, but both of them wander REALLY deep in our zone and get lost there making it easy for Detroit to play the puck up top.
    JVR wasnt really noticable
    Holland was solid, as was Mcclement and Kule
    Bernier was stellar, and James, less so.
    Over all comment I must say after seeing the boys twice this week…. we are soft as puppy shit along the boards…. this coupled with scared of being hit or something resulting in us giving it away weakly up the boards to no one has to stop
    And Im afraid it all starts with Kessel, our supposedly best player…. i know he is soft and will always be like this which sucks, but I dont know why all our players do this… porr break out passing is a factor, is the system also to blame, putting them in a bad spot to take the pass and not move or have an outlet.
    Ugh so frustrating
    Overall very lively crowd at the ACC (yes, thats right) and entertaining nnight

  • NotSince67

    lukethenuke I take it you weren’t in the lower bowl with the “it was lively” comment?

  • DJBrianBurke

    JmessihDJBrianBurkelukethenukeYou’re right, MSM always looking for a story, part of their jobs I guess. Sad part is they’ll make a mountian out of a very (hockey) common mole hill. ie. goalie has a weak period, team going through a long slump, coach changes goalies for a spark, said goalie doesn’t like getting pulled… oooooo major story there.
    I have no problem with Reimer, I want him (and all the players) to play to their best. Tonight was not his and he knows it.

  • DJBrianBurke

    lukethenukeIt was mentioned before, but most of the wingers tonight were ass along the boards. Kulemin and Raymond didn’t have particular strong games either. Raymond for me is hit and miss with board work. Guess that’s why he’s a tweener of the 2nd and 3rd line.

  • Jmessih

    lukethenuke Agreed your best player cannot be someone with almost zero compete. Yes he tries hard, but his complete refusal to play a physical game or to take a hit to get the puck out are very, very worrisome issues. I think this team needs players like Clarkson, Lupul, JVR, Kadri (to an extent) Kulemin, McClement, Bodie, Orr, Bozak, Bolland to consistently make a conscious effort to play physical hockey to make up for the smaller (softer) guys on the team, unfortunately we do not see that.

  • Jmessih

    DJBrianBurke Jmessih lukethenuke I think it is the stair down that will create havoc.

  • lukethenuke

    NotSince67 lukethenuke hahah second row upper bowl but i think even the lower bowl was rowdy too lol… Ive been to lots of Leafs games in recent years, this was the 5th this year for me alone and it was livelier than the opener

  • Jay31

    Hopefully this Reimer situation can settle down. If he demands a trade I don’t think we’ll get a proper return, the other team would have the leverage in that case

  • DJBrianBurke

    Jay31I have a feeling Reimer isn’t like that and this “stuff” that happened tonight is nothing.

  • NotSince67

    lukethenuke NotSince67 Moneybags…..

  • Jmessih

    DJBrianBurke Jay31 Before today I would have agreed with that, and I most likely still will. But this was a different Reimer today