HBO 24/7: Leafs / Red Wings Episode #2 (Open Thread)

HBO 24/7: Leafs / Red Wings Episode #2 (Open Thread)

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HBO 24/7: Maple Leafs - Red Wings

MLHS hopes those affected by the power outages are doing OK – if you’re one, stop wasting your remaining cell battery and get off MLHS.

This second episode of HBO 24/7 will juxtapose the Leafs‘ brutal losses to St. Louis and Florida with one of the best wins of the season vs. Chicago.

Here is a link to a YouTube video. I’m not sure if it’s a legal copy, so I won’t embed here.

Alec Brownscombe is the founder of MapleLeafsHotStove.com, where he has written daily about the Leafs since September of 2008. He was also the editor of the 2009-12 Maple Leafs Annuals. You can contact him at [email protected]
154 comments
leafsjon
leafsjon

Is this what hockey coaching is about? Screaming louder and getting more abusive with the players the deeper the team gets into a slump? Is that really the most effective way to nurture top performance? I've never been in a pro sports locker room, but I must say I am surprised. 

I question that the team's recent poor performance is really due to lack of effort. Seems to me it is rather due to lack of confidence, which is a completely different bag. How do you nurture confidence? By screaming at the players? I think not. Have you ever seen parenting like that work? In individual sports (athletics, cycling, cross country skiing) sport psychology and mental training is playing bigger role than ever before. Apparently not in hockey. 

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

i've done my part.  and to all a good night

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

is Bernier back to health now and starting Monday?  i want Reimer to be the man because i've just always liked the guy, but we need someone to get hot immediately.  and i can route for JB too.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

i thought Liles had a bit of a bummer game on Saturday.  if he was 22 i would have been excited watching the good things he did, but i found myself worried he'd make mistakes and end up in the doghouse...i hate feeling that way when i watch, i remember how it felt when i played when i knew i wasn't a coach's favourite.

i wonder who plays next game now that Rielly looks like a player who should never be a healthy scratch again.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

i like what i see from Holland.  he showed he could play more physical and it didn't look uncomfortable for him.  he showed some good defensive play too.  just can't win a face off.  otherwise, he's got nice puck skills and great shot.

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

I guess Crosby learned from the best (lemieux) how to be the NHL's number one crybaby douchebag lol

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

2 observations I have noticed from the first 2 episodes of 24/7 - 1. strategy is never discussed by either team (is it secret?) and 2. the leafs are spoiled and their post loss attitude hints at the blue and white disease (or nonchalant) in the room. They should be pissed at themselves and be more vocal about it. Then again what do I know =-(

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

something that stood out to me was how pumped the bench got when Bodi got into it, specifically Lupul.

Bodie was later jawing at a FLA player for chirping.

i remember in a recent game Phanuef playing physical and i was worried he'd have to answer for it in a scrum after a whistle ... it's not a good trade off losing him fr 5 minutes.

anyway.  i think we'll see the turning point when this team gets some tough guys in the lineup playing some meaningful minutes.  Clarkson oculd start intimidating someone.  Fraser could get back in there and play well.  McLaren could find his stride and ... honeslty, where's it going to come from?

Kadri, Lupul, Phanuef...are some of our key guys who i think are missing their sheriff.  they need to play on the edge and have someone step in and settle the other team down when they don't like it.  make them accept it.

and it's not just that.  the bench loved it when Kulemin planted a guy into the boards.  there's very little intimidation other teams feel when they play us.  speed can scare players, too.  hard hits.  and feeling they can't get the upper edge in the trenches.

we're missing depth in the form of those things.  maybe it's too obvious and i'm too tired to be original.

gunner_36
gunner_36

Love these episodes. I much prefer the Leafs stuff obviously, but it's pretty cool seeing some of the Detroit scenes too (although I'm glad there was less Krusty in this episode).

Hope everyone affected made it through the storm unscathed.

OTL
OTL

I was surprised to see that the narrator of the 24/7 series is none other than Liev Schreiber of Kate and Leopold fame.....impressed.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

Luongo injured apparently tonight.  That is why we need to keep two capabable goalies

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

not sure i understand the issue with the menu on the plane.  sushi, pork rice rolls, orange glazed chicken, steak chimi, stuffed baked potato, mushrooms, kayle, brussel sprouts - mix and match

The_Polish_Cannon
The_Polish_Cannon

@leafsjon That was my thoughts finishing the episode as well. That tactic may work for an older more experienced team, but this cannot be effective for the 3rd youngest team in the league. 

DJBrianBurke
DJBrianBurke

@JmessihThey cut through the Wild dzone like butter. Leafs better be careful, NYR finally won at home and they might be feeling good.

mbails
mbails

@dlb eh I think the upside liles brings compared to fraser (and ranger for now) should keep him in the lineup. He is very fast, i think under rated in that department, he moves the puck well, and can help whats been one of our biggest problems this season which is breaking the puck out of our zone. I like Liles/rielly as a 3rd pairing, and until we make a move for a legit, physical, top 4  D man, or ranger somehow manages to return to form (which I'm still hopeful of) then i think likes should be a lock in the lineup.

gunner_36
gunner_36

@darthNihilus People love hating on Crosby, don't they. He complained about one hit. You also do realize that they want to get Crosby on cam, so there's a greater chance you're going to hear him complain about something? Guys are constantly talking to the refs, complaining about something, asking for a call for something. Why call someone a crybaby douchebag when we do the same?

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@darthNihilus

didn't you hear Babcock tell Tatar to not hang his head after the loss?  sends a bad message.

there's no sense in sulking.  that's a sorry attempt to show people you didn't like the outcome.  it does nothing to win you te next game, though...unless a hug from a fan warms your heart and makes you suddenly realize you're a pro athelete that's worked his balls off his entire life to get to where he's at.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@darthNihilus Randy's strategy is to feed the chickens.   Detroit' seems to be give the puck to Datsyuk.  


And I don't like the losses but I'm more annoyed at how the leafs lose.  For whatever reason, their on ice play never looks like they are giving effort.  I'm sure injuries, young players compound this but there is also too many brain dead mistakes and unwillingness to support the teammates in their own zone.  

gunner_36
gunner_36

@darthNihilus I'm sure there's some they kick the cameras out for, but they watch video before/after games and stuff and go over strategy, plus they do that sort of thing in practice. They shouldn't need reminded in between periods a ton. 

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

The crews have been asked by both coaches to take a hike in certain situations, they were saying on TV the other night. Apparently tactics have been out of bounds. You're only getting a tiny fraction of reality. I don't think think a lot of players want to go ballistic with six or seven TV people in your face.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@dlb eh  The thing with the leafs is too many of the grit players have limited skill and the skilled players have too  little heart/grit (generalizing here of course).  

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

A lot of fans will disagree but we lost some sandpaper early this year when Fraser regressed because of a fractured skull and a knee operation, McLaren broke his punching hand on Ashton's stupid slash, and Orr injured his bursa in his elbow which is no good for a fighter.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@OTL

yeah if i didn't see the name i never would have even thought i was hearing Ross Rhea

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@dlb eh  I'm not crazy seeing them getting nice perks given their on ice product.  They have it really good, as good and if not better then many NHL teams.  And I want them to compete and put forth a good effort each game.   Make me proud.   But that is just me.  

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Practice is where almost all of it gets done. And you see Carlyle and the other coaches doing micro strategies with the chalkboard constantly,

Alec Brownscombe
Alec Brownscombe moderator

@gunner_36 @darthNihilus All that goes on in NHL dressing rooms between periods is cliched stuff... one or two buzz words, maybe a quick illusion to "their D are active" or whatever.. but the goal is not to reinvent the wheel or fill their head with different directions in between periods.. most of the time it's just an attempt to keep the  energy/compete level up.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@wendelsfist

i think it's also a matter of players playing out of their ranking.  McCLemment, for instance, was awesome as the 4th line centre last year.  he allowed two enforcers to play without hurting us defensively.  those players are having injury trouble this year but they just weren't the same with different centres.

D'Amigo and Raymond do a lot of things well, but ... i can't articulate well enough why they are the guys we need more from in way of grit and determination.  i know Jerry's done well, but not in enough minutes and he's getting his head knocked off just as often as he's freaking defenders out with his forecheck.

we've had some top players limping, but i think i'm looking at the pluggers and role players for the answer right now.  give us some support.  a boost.  shock us.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@Xxxxxnew I got in debate with the advanced stats folks who don't accept these intangibles being their effectiveness of them cannot be measured objectively like say goals or  shots on net can be.  

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Xxxxxnew

thanks.  very cool.

"thinking 30 seconds ahead of every play"

geez, no wonder i didn't make it.  i only tried to think a few seconds ahead.  30 seconds is an entire shift and sounds like witchcraft.

OTL
OTL

@dlb ehI think he's really rather underrated.....I forgot that he was in Goons......his voice over narration sounds very accomplished and in fact, dare I say, very seasoned.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@wendelsfist

i think the team should continue to give them all the things to give the players the best chance of performing their best.

then, when the players don't..i can put the blame squarely on them for not being the type of player i want on my team.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@darthNihilus

i would have liked to hear what Franger had to say after Randy old them what half the fans here have been saying about them

where is Ranger anyway.  did someone report he was kinda gone or something?  i really hope this comment from me doesn't start something...i could be misremembering.

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

@Xxxxxnew I know but thus far 24/7 has not been allowed to show too much of that. That is what I want to see. 

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Alec Brownscombe

oh look, you get another vote of confidence from me tonight.  puff out your chest a little why don't you

"get your legs moving"

"stick to the system"

a little reminder of the tendency the other team has so the light bulb turns on before we're caught off gaurd and learn the hard way when the game starts

some of the players who look disinterested when the coach talks better be the ones who come out inspired by something.  otherwise i wonder if they're a little too wet between the ears to ignite.

NotSince67
NotSince67

@wendelsfist @Xxxxxnew They're good in the O-zone just waering out the opposition. The caveat: You have to get through the netural zone to do that. Ever seen the 4th line do anything other than chip and chase?

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@Xxxxxnew The most bizarre thing is the 4th line is about the best cycling line we have.  But if they don't have the puck or are lined up vs Datsyuk good lord

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Yes, like when the coach gets criticized by a certain segment when he puts a guy in like Bodie in a specific situation. And yet you can see the effect that one play had on the Leafs bench. Worth a lot more than 10 extras shots into the opposition goalie's crest.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

That's why Gretzky seemed to be a mind reader out there.

djamon
djamon

@dlb eh Not to mention a lot of this stuff is negotiated in the CBA.