HBO 24/7: Leafs / Red Wings Episode #2 (Open Thread)

HBO 24/7: Leafs / Red Wings Episode #2 (Open Thread)

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HBO 24/7: Maple Leafs - Red Wings

MLHS hopes those affected by the power outages are doing OK – if you’re one, stop wasting your remaining cell battery and get off MLHS.

This second episode of HBO 24/7 will juxtapose the Leafs‘ brutal losses to St. Louis and Florida with one of the best wins of the season vs. Chicago.

Here is a link to a YouTube video. I’m not sure if it’s a legal copy, so I won’t embed here.

Alec Brownscombe is the founder of MapleLeafsHotStove.com, where he has written daily about the Leafs since September of 2008. He was also the editor of the 2009-12 Maple Leafs Annuals. You can contact him at brownscombeal[email protected]
131 comments
leafsjon
leafsjon

Is this what hockey coaching is about? Screaming louder and getting more abusive with the players the deeper the team gets into a slump? Is that really the most effective way to nurture top performance? I've never been in a pro sports locker room, but I must say I am surprised. 

I question that the team's recent poor performance is really due to lack of effort. Seems to me it is rather due to lack of confidence, which is a completely different bag. How do you nurture confidence? By screaming at the players? I think not. Have you ever seen parenting like that work? In individual sports (athletics, cycling, cross country skiing) sport psychology and mental training is playing bigger role than ever before. Apparently not in hockey. 

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

I guess Crosby learned from the best (lemieux) how to be the NHL's number one crybaby douchebag lol

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

2 observations I have noticed from the first 2 episodes of 24/7 - 1. strategy is never discussed by either team (is it secret?) and 2. the leafs are spoiled and their post loss attitude hints at the blue and white disease (or nonchalant) in the room. They should be pissed at themselves and be more vocal about it. Then again what do I know =-(

gunner_36
gunner_36

Love these episodes. I much prefer the Leafs stuff obviously, but it's pretty cool seeing some of the Detroit scenes too (although I'm glad there was less Krusty in this episode).

Hope everyone affected made it through the storm unscathed.

OTL
OTL

I was surprised to see that the narrator of the 24/7 series is none other than Liev Schreiber of Kate and Leopold fame.....impressed.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

Luongo injured apparently tonight.  That is why we need to keep two capabable goalies

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

California NHL teams are 73-22-14 this year

Dangle_My_Berries
Dangle_My_Berries

my street looks like a war zone with all the downed tree limbs, woke up this morning to a tree branch that slightly clipped the back of our SUV, ironically enough their was a thick layer of ice on the vehicle as well that probably saved it from getting scratched to shit 

gilmourhalloffame
gilmourhalloffame

Great afternoon with a steelers win and a much better 24/7 then the first one. I have to say love Carlyle "we suck if your not going to play hard for the sweater play hard for eachother"

Knights2Leafs
Knights2Leafs

I always thought Clarkson was bigger but he seems awfully sinewy. You could see the muscles in his thighs though when he doing some powerlifting after his suspension. Apparently strong legs doesn't translate into being able to stay on your feet.

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

is the second episode on youtube yet? 

The_Polish_Cannon
The_Polish_Cannon

@leafsjon That was my thoughts finishing the episode as well. That tactic may work for an older more experienced team, but this cannot be effective for the 3rd youngest team in the league. 

DJBrianBurke
DJBrianBurke

@JmessihThey cut through the Wild dzone like butter. Leafs better be careful, NYR finally won at home and they might be feeling good.

mbails
mbails

@dlb eh I think the upside liles brings compared to fraser (and ranger for now) should keep him in the lineup. He is very fast, i think under rated in that department, he moves the puck well, and can help whats been one of our biggest problems this season which is breaking the puck out of our zone. I like Liles/rielly as a 3rd pairing, and until we make a move for a legit, physical, top 4  D man, or ranger somehow manages to return to form (which I'm still hopeful of) then i think likes should be a lock in the lineup.

gunner_36
gunner_36

@darthNihilus People love hating on Crosby, don't they. He complained about one hit. You also do realize that they want to get Crosby on cam, so there's a greater chance you're going to hear him complain about something? Guys are constantly talking to the refs, complaining about something, asking for a call for something. Why call someone a crybaby douchebag when we do the same?

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@darthNihilus Randy's strategy is to feed the chickens.   Detroit' seems to be give the puck to Datsyuk.  


And I don't like the losses but I'm more annoyed at how the leafs lose.  For whatever reason, their on ice play never looks like they are giving effort.  I'm sure injuries, young players compound this but there is also too many brain dead mistakes and unwillingness to support the teammates in their own zone.  

gunner_36
gunner_36

@darthNihilus I'm sure there's some they kick the cameras out for, but they watch video before/after games and stuff and go over strategy, plus they do that sort of thing in practice. They shouldn't need reminded in between periods a ton. 

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

The crews have been asked by both coaches to take a hike in certain situations, they were saying on TV the other night. Apparently tactics have been out of bounds. You're only getting a tiny fraction of reality. I don't think think a lot of players want to go ballistic with six or seven TV people in your face.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@dlb eh  The thing with the leafs is too many of the grit players have limited skill and the skilled players have too  little heart/grit (generalizing here of course).  

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

A lot of fans will disagree but we lost some sandpaper early this year when Fraser regressed because of a fractured skull and a knee operation, McLaren broke his punching hand on Ashton's stupid slash, and Orr injured his bursa in his elbow which is no good for a fighter.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@dlb eh  I'm not crazy seeing them getting nice perks given their on ice product.  They have it really good, as good and if not better then many NHL teams.  And I want them to compete and put forth a good effort each game.   Make me proud.   But that is just me.  

LandBruiser
LandBruiser

I moved to SoCal a few years back and, believe me, it's been tempting to switch loyalties.

The worst part is my kids, who were all born here, are growing up watching me cheer for this hapless franchise. I'm afraid I'm going to pass this disease on to them.

gunner_36
gunner_36

@Knights2Leafs He's never been a strong skater. That's probably the biggest reason he wasn't drafted. He's gotten a bit better (faster for sure since junior) and makes things work, but he's certainly no Gardiner out there.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Reminds me of Terry O'Reilly.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Practice is where almost all of it gets done. And you see Carlyle and the other coaches doing micro strategies with the chalkboard constantly,

Alec Brownscombe
Alec Brownscombe moderator

@gunner_36 @darthNihilus All that goes on in NHL dressing rooms between periods is cliched stuff... one or two buzz words, maybe a quick illusion to "their D are active" or whatever.. but the goal is not to reinvent the wheel or fill their head with different directions in between periods.. most of the time it's just an attempt to keep the  energy/compete level up.

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@Xxxxxnew I got in debate with the advanced stats folks who don't accept these intangibles being their effectiveness of them cannot be measured objectively like say goals or  shots on net can be.  

OTL
OTL

@dlb ehI think he's really rather underrated.....I forgot that he was in Goons......his voice over narration sounds very accomplished and in fact, dare I say, very seasoned.

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

@Xxxxxnew I know but thus far 24/7 has not been allowed to show too much of that. That is what I want to see. 

NotSince67
NotSince67

@wendelsfist @Xxxxxnew They're good in the O-zone just waering out the opposition. The caveat: You have to get through the netural zone to do that. Ever seen the 4th line do anything other than chip and chase?

wendelsfist
wendelsfist

@Xxxxxnew The most bizarre thing is the 4th line is about the best cycling line we have.  But if they don't have the puck or are lined up vs Datsyuk good lord

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Yes, like when the coach gets criticized by a certain segment when he puts a guy in like Bodie in a specific situation. And yet you can see the effect that one play had on the Leafs bench. Worth a lot more than 10 extras shots into the opposition goalie's crest.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

That's why Gretzky seemed to be a mind reader out there.

djamon
djamon

@dlb eh Not to mention a lot of this stuff is negotiated in the CBA. 

gunner_36
gunner_36

@dlb eh @gunner_36 Yeah that's what I meant... Gardiner is an effortless skater and can glide and turn so smoothly. He doesn't always seem super fast (Rielly definitely has a higher gear in straight-aways, as do a few other guys on the team- Kuli for sure) but I would bet that he could still be Clarkson. Gardiner's shown some pretty impressive speed at times. Was it against Pittsburgh maybe, he caught up to someone fast rushing the puck (might have been Crosby)... I was pretty impressed.