@SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #75, Maple Leafs at Flyers

@SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #75, Maple Leafs at Flyers

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There’s not a tonne to be said. It’s put up or shut up. Do or die. Whatever is your preferred hype-up sports cliche.

The Leafs should be able to find an edge with their speed up front versus the slower Philadelphia defence corps. The Flyers boast a potent offense, on the other hand, and have scored 3.3 goals per game since the end of their 15-game start from hell. The Flyers attack with four lines and, as Craig Berube put it, they “compete along the walls, compete in the offensive zone, use everybody to try to wear teams down.” They’ll know to come right after the Leafs D and seal up the walls.

Their top two lines (Hartnell, Giroux, Voracek /  McGinn, Schenn, Simmonds) have been productive  and Sean Couturier has been a shutdown/two-way force on a line with Matt Read.

This should be a great atmosphere in Philly and a good game, as well. The Flyers have the third most wins on home ice in the East behind only Pittsburgh and Boston.  It’s no easy task, but the Leafs made their own bed. The stakes are so high for the Leafs in this game, as a seventh straight regulation loss  pretty well means they’ll need to run the board starting with a back to back game against Detroit tomorrow.

 

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Bobsyouruncle
Bobsyouruncle

In other good news:  :)   

Joe Colborne scored his 10th goal of the season tonight.   

That's 15th for rookie forwards.  

25 points is 12th - rookie forwards.  

48.7% faceoffs is 5th among centres with over 200 draws. (437)  

TOI/Gm is 13:45 - 27th.  

To counter-balance that, he did play a few more games that some of the competition.

Hmmm
Hmmm

This team just seems to play better when they have some confidence, not over confidence but the sweet spot. When RC first came on, that boost of confidence helped them get into the playoffs with a remarkable surge last spring.

FrycersGhost
FrycersGhost

Honestly, I saw this coming at the first New York rangers game this year. Am I disappointed? Hell yes! There's no heart and soul player that pulls the team up by boot straps. I say draft smart this year ( shitty year I know ) then go all out next year at the draft. Nonis said we are getting better, but injuries played a big role this year. The fat lady hasn't sung but she's warming up hard core.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

Big issue was that management could clearly see all season that this team had issues.  Issues with system/coaching/roster selctiion, with personnel/team defense and lacking a few leaders to take control and will wins..

Nonis chose not to address it at all during the season through to doing nothing as far as trade deadline.  Now this is his result.  Clearly, he will need to address the coaching as well as change 1-3 core roster players to improve overall committed 2 way hockey.

GeorgeCastanza
GeorgeCastanza

Burke is warming up a seat for Nonis in calgary. It's inevitable.

B_Leaf
B_Leaf

@CanuckUKinToronto  


All Nonis had to do was bring back last years team intact...possibly add another checking forward. 

Bobsyouruncle
Bobsyouruncle

@Bruffins   lol   It's just a bunch of numbers that require more context to assess his season, but it would seem to indicate that he should have a future as a player, which many denied at the time of the trade.

loomx
loomx

@CanuckUKinToronto @ Don Cherry  Grabovski has 3 times more goals and points than Clarkson in roughly the same amount of games. Plus he's actually useful on the ice even when he's not putting up points.

vinoa
vinoa

@CanuckUKinToronto @ Don Cherry  Grabbo's not shit. He definitely wasn't good for what he was asked to do by Carlyle but he was one of those players who gave it his all on those nights when things weren't going great. Still don't mind that he's gone though. Just wish they had a better plan than Clarkson, Bolland, and Bernier.

FrycersGhost
FrycersGhost

And how did we get komorov - the draft. Nonis saved our picks. ( first round I mean)

The marries are ok. Get rid of RC and get a players coach. We need to have much of our core team drafted by us. It makes a difference if you're drafted and developed by a team.

loomx
loomx

@Belfour20/JB-45 @FrycersGhost  Here we go again with the vague players. We don't have good enough players/coaches period. Has little to to with heart and soul.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@B_Leaf @CanuckUKinToronto Last year's team would not be effective this year.  We needed a team that could play better defensive hockey.  Goaltending was upgraded.  Bolland was injured and was an upgrade and will still be- best 2 way player on this team by far.  Clarkson was a bust.. Kadri has not been improving (sophmore slump).  Top line has inability to clear the puck.  No scoring from Clarkson, Kule, McC, Bodie, (ie bottom 6).. Team needed upgrading..  Checking forward with that defense would have got this club no where.. It made playoffs as 48 game season avoiding maybe 2 more 5-10 game losing streaks like we had this year.
  The defense was not upgraded. We are seeing the effects of that

vinoa
vinoa

@B_Leaf @CanuckUKinToronto  That's what really pisses me off. We didn't even know what we had last season before they overhauled it and left us with this crap.

Bruffins
Bruffins

@Bobsyouruncle @Bruffins  

the people that were against the trade took a lot of shit all year when Colborne wasn't producing. Just doesn't make sense to trade him for nothing so McLaren can have a spot. Especially when Colborne's contract was so nice

loomx
loomx

@CanuckUKinToronto @loomx @ Don Cherry  I see it as they took the $5mil from Grabovski who's only fault was that he wasn't being used properly by a coach who won't even be here next year and spent it on David Clarkson. There was no sane reason to do that. This was a team already thin at centre. Could've just put him on Kadri's wing and both Kadri and Lupul would've been better offensively. If one of your centres goes down, you have a competent backup.


But no, Randy, who by the way WILL NOT BE HERE NEXT YEAR, pushed out a perfectly good centre because he refused to use him in any sort of offensive role. 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@loomx @CanuckUKinToronto@ Don Cherry See above.. and because he is better than Clarkson is not a reason to keep him.. decision wasnt made to get rid of Grabo to get a very shitty Clarkson.. Clarkson has been horrible and does not work/fit here at all.. however Grabo did not fit here either..esp not moving forward to try and develop a true cup contending team.. so ok to part with him already just like ok to part with some other players people like but not essential for long term wining strategy

vinoa
vinoa

@CanuckUKinToronto @vinoa @ Don Cherry  He had 30 points in his 1st 37 games. Granted he has 3 points in his last 12 games, but the last 3 were around the time of his injury. That's not to bad for a top 6 player. He probably is on the decline, but he's still better than Clarkson for that money.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@vinoa @CanuckUKinToronto@ Don Cherry his production is not that of a 2nd line centre anymore the last 2 seasons (he had one hot streak to start this season).. in his first 15 games he had 5 goals and 13 pts.. in his last 35 - he had 7 goals and 17 pts.... last year sucked too.. playoffs.. nada
.. and he is 30 yrs old.. down hill from here.

FrycersGhost
FrycersGhost

I do think that's a big part of it. Burke stepped on someone's toes. Nonis is still a good gm. No one predicted clarkson should shit the bed, bolland would be injured and Kadri would not be better. That's sports and why ppl bet on it. It's a crap shoot. Anaheim sucked two years ago. Look at them now.

Hmmm
Hmmm

@FrycersGhost  Are you guys saying you preferred the Burke / Nonis combination?  It's possible that some people are the yin and yang for each other.

loomx
loomx

@Belfour20/JB-45 @loomx @FrycersGhost  I've consistently complained about Raymond, Franson, Orr, McClement, McLaren, and even Lupul. We have a lot of shitty players but Randy just seems to be worse at identifying the garbage because he keeps using them. That's a worse offense in my books.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Belfour20/JB-45 @CanuckUKinToronto@B_Leaf many of the players this season are temporary.. the issues we have are with the ones that are not.. Nonis fucked up with the development plan etc. and kept the inherited coach who is not the right coach for this stage of development

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Belfour20/JB-45 @CanuckUKinToronto@B_Leaf Grabo was the worst defensive forward in the playoffs last year.  Also Kule and McC suck -  cant kill a penalty and they were also the guys always on at key time who have the inability to hold the leads.. they need to go

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Hmmm @CanuckUKinToronto@Belfour20/JB-45@B_Leaf I think they thought Franson/Ranger were better and could fill in until D on Marlies get better.. but not correct.. they didnt want to bring in a D under longer contract and block Marlies/Rielly/Gardiner.. now they may have to.. but in place of Franson and maybe Gunnar.. Wont be able to deal Dion or Gleason

Hmmm
Hmmm

@CanuckUKinToronto @Belfour20/JB-45 @B_Leaf  Perhaps they wanted the D to get experience this year, then bring up more forward rookies next year?  Sometimes it's hard to field rookie forwards and defense at the same time.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Belfour20/JB-45 @B_Leaf@CanuckUKinToronto keeping Grabo only would lead to inevitable losing to at best mediocrity.  Prefer to overhaul and try and bring in youth with greater upside .. play kids more and in 1-2 yrs have the team you really want and developed.. Randy wont do that.. so fuck him and ship his ass out

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@vinoa @CanuckUKinToronto@B_Leaf Because we started the season with Rielly as 6 and Gards as 5.. Liles couldnt fit in.. We had expectation for Dion and gunnar as 1-2 and Franson and Ranger as 3-4 with Fraser as 6/7.. so no room for those AHLers.. (Holzer is that and Kostka really is too)

vinoa
vinoa

@CanuckUKinToronto @B_Leaf  Holzer and Kotska played top pairing minutes for good chunks of the season but we didn't even bother to give them a look as 5-6 options.

Hmmm
Hmmm

@CanuckUKinToronto @B_Leaf  What kind of defense upgrade could we have gotten without giving up the young stars?  Arguably, Rielly and Gardiner could become the upgrade, just needed time.

vinoa
vinoa

@CanuckUKinToronto @B_Leaf  We don't know for sure that last year's team wouldn't have been better than this year's team. We do know that the law of averages does hold true and the stats geeks will forever point to this team as their triumph.