Toronto Marlies vs Texas Stars: Game 3, Western Conference Finals

Toronto Marlies vs Texas Stars: Game 3, Western Conference Finals

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The Toronto Marlies are looking to get back to playing better hockey after two games in which they were soundly outshot and outplayed, but relied on opportunistic goal scoring and fantastic goaltending from Drew MacIntyre.

In Games 1 and 2, the Marlies were pulled away from playing their game and spent a lot of time in between the dots loosely defending the neutral zone and home plate areas, as opposed to forcing battles to the boards, where they excel. Getting back to basic hockey and executing simple plays with better accuracy; including making sure there is ample support for the defence from the forwards by providing backside pressure, simple (short) tape-to-tape passes on breakouts and through the neutral zone and using soft, smart dumps to use the Toronto Marlies considerable physical makeup to their advantage.

Followers of the Maple Leafs will notice the same wide open points (which generate rebounds and second chance oppurtunities) with the Marlies, and they will more-than-likely be outshot in the series regularly, but hopefully they can whether the storm and receive the same excellent goaltending they have been from Drew MacIntyre.

Lineup changes for The Marlies: Tyler Biggs and Andrew Macwilliam are in, Jerred Smithson / Dylan Yeo are out. Steve Spott obviously looking to add some more snarl to the lineup in attempts to keeping what was a chippy affair the last game under wraps, to augment the forecheck (Biggs) and keep Texas Stars’ East-West forwards honest (MacWilliam).

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noyon100
noyon100

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peterbleafs
peterbleafs

Seems like I am about the only one who came into the office today.  Nice!!!

deedrag
deedrag

I'm trying to be fair here with Franson. I'm at a loss how he was trending upwards last season and went downwards this season? Is it possible he was playing with some undisclosed injury for the majority of the season along with others? Is this why they haven't fired RC? Nonis? Is this also why they are not in a rush to make moves via trades? The months ahead will surely end a lot of the speculation we do around here. Can't wait for the roller coaster to start up the hill again.

DWCMLHS
DWCMLHS

Kulemin isn't as good as he looked in 10/11, or as bad as he looked in 11/12. He's somewhere in between.

His career points per game is about .46, and pro-rates to 38 points per 82 games.

He spent most of the past two seasons buried in the D zone by Carlyle, playing mostly with McClement. Terrible situation to try and produce offence in.

He was still learning the North American game in his first two years.

He only got to spend two full seasons in a 2nd-line, 2nd-unit PP role.

I still think he's a safe bet for .5 points per game over a full season with Kadri and Lupul. And his defensive ability makes him more valuable than his numbers alone indicate.

deedrag
deedrag

Other than Kessel who else can we possibly get for right wing right now via trade or draft? Sorry forgot to mention in the scenario that we traded Lupul?

armchairgm
armchairgm

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Paul Stastny ($7.000m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m) 
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($3.500m) 
Benoit Pouliot ($2.500m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m) 
Jerry D'Amigo ($0.851m) / Peter Holland ($0.851m) / Carter Ashton ($0.851m) 
Troy Bodie ($0.600m) / 
DEFENSEMEN
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m) 
Jake Gardiner ($2.000m) / Morgan Rielly ($0.894m) 
T.J. Brennan ($1.000m) / Tim Gleason ($4.000m) 
Andrew MacWilliam ($0.875m) / 
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m) 
Martin Brodeur ($2.500m) 
BUYOUTS
Mike Komisarek ($0.000m) 
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m) 
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DWCMLHS
DWCMLHS

If you want to know what Kulemin could do in a 2nd-line, 2nd-PP role over a full season, look at the 10/11 and 11/12 seasons. He spent most of those with Grabo and Mac. Since then, he's typically been buried with McClement. We can't judge his offensive ability properly in that situation.

Kulemin played 152 games in the 10/11 and 11/12 seasons combined, and had 85 points. That's .56 points per game. His shooting percentage over those combined seasons was a little high overall (super high in 10/11, low in 11/12), but if you adjust his goal total to account for that, he is still at .53 points per game.

It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that he'd put up at least .5 points per game over a full season on the Lupul-Kadri line. He's damn good defensively, too. That line needs defence. Kulemin plays as the pseudo-center on that line, freeing Kadri from a lot of his defensive responsibility.

Kulemin should only cost about $3.25 million per year to re-sign. And if for some reason he doesn't work with Kadri and Lupul long-term, he can always play as the 3rd-line center. He's a versitile player.

How people can not want to re-sign this guy, but are okay with the insanely injury-prone 3C Bolland at $4+ million a year is beyond me. Probably the same people who were okay with Clarkson at $5.25x7.

peterbleafs
peterbleafs

With Trotz at the helm, Washington will be a force next year.  Good roster (except for that turd Ovechkin) for defense.  That will be an interesting team to watch.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Grabbo and Trotz, together at last (if Grabbo signs in Washington again).

Bruffins
Bruffins

@loomx 

do you know if there is a way to see a players points per game when they only play with certain line mates? (Want to see Kulemin's with Kadri and Lupul)

lukethenuke
lukethenuke

@DWCMLHS guy got chances, dont even pretend he didnt, just cant finish and has no instinct.  Very replaceable for what he'll want.

He wont want under 3 which is what hes really worth

lukethenuke
lukethenuke

@DWCMLHS his average also takes his blimp good season.  Id be surprised he ever breaks 40 pts again

Greg Fenton
Greg Fenton

@deedrag Heatley is a UFA, don't think he'd be horrible as a depth option. Moulson, Iginla, Callahan, Downie, Samuelesson or other UFA winges I wouldn't mind them looking at (not all for the same role on the team, obviously). 

armchairgm
armchairgm

@deedrag you might hate the idea but what about heatley as a cheap option

Greg Fenton
Greg Fenton

@DWCMLHS Why are you taking 1 good year and 1 meh year and lumping together and trying to make it seem like he had 2 good years? He didn't have 2 46 point seasons, he had 1 57 point season and 1 28 point season. 


I like Kulemin, I'd try to keep him. But look at whats he is done every year of his career except 10-11 - he is a 10-15 goal, 35ish point player. 

T K O
T K O

@DWCMLHS  I'm not going to dispute your argument that Kulemin can be valuable to the Leafs but you can't take one great year add it to a declining shitty year and try to convince ppl he is a .56 point per game player...

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

I remember when Bowman took over the Wings he had to sit down with Yzerman and convince him to change his game. He was a points first guy for almost a decade and the Wings were going nowhere. He kept getting cut from all the Team Canada variations at the time, passed over for guys like the Sutters and Tochett. He didn't want any part of Bowman's plan at first but eventually became an all round player and a leader on Cup teams. Whether Trotz can pull the same magic with Ovi will be interesting to watch.

peterbleafs
peterbleafs

@Xxxxxnew Would be hilarious if Grabbo signed in Montreal, Boston or Pittsburgh cheap for a run at the cup.  He would go to his happy place playing against carlyle.

loomx
loomx

@Bruffins @loomx None that I know of. But it's no secret that that was our best 2nd line of the season. Had to break them up though because of reasons.

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

@KulieFTW Don't want, don't care - Kulemin goodbye! Going through hard times is one thing showing up night in and night out like you just dont give a shit is inexcusable. Pay D'amigo to do what Kuli does for a mil bucks. 

loomx
loomx

@KulieFTW Let him walk and you'll be looking for the same kind of player for the same price(or more).

Bruffins
Bruffins

@KulieFTW

one of my favourites on the team. Maybe the one forward we have that actually supports the D-men when they pinch and back checks hard

deedrag
deedrag

@Greg Fenton @deedrag  Some good suggestions there. do we have any right handers in the farm system besides Connor Brown that can fill the role cheaply at an NHL level possibly?

deedrag
deedrag

@armchairgm @deedrag  I'm open to any suggestions actually. I'm concerned on RW because it doesn`t seem we have a lot of depth there.

DWCMLHS
DWCMLHS

He only got to play two full seasons in a 2nd-line, 2nd-PP role with two good offensive line mates. Why would I look at the last couple years if I want to know what he could do with Kadri and Lupul? He spent most of them buried in the D zone with McClement. Obviously his offence was going to suffer.

djamon
djamon

@Xxxxxnew Lidstrom and Federov's arrival didn't hurt. There's no coach in the world who can get Ovi to change his game unless he wants to. I don't foresee Trotz having a huge effect on the Caps.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Grabbo isn't welcome in Montreal. He was a healthy scratch one game as a Hab, and because of it he bailed on his teammates, got on a plane and flew to LA to be with his agent. That's when Montreal sent him to the Leafs. Coach wasn't playing him right.

peterbleafs
peterbleafs

@loomx @Bruffins Kulemin is to expensive, for $2million Id sign him on a one year deal to see if he has anything left.

loomx
loomx

@KulieFTW Put Kulemin with Kadri or Holland consistently instead of Jay McClement and David Clarkson and his numbers will go back up

Greg Fenton
Greg Fenton

@T K O @DWCMLHS lol - looks you completely agree with me, no tjust to a certain extent. 


I dunno how fair it is to do this, but if you take out the 10-11 eason, Kulemin has 54 goals and 138 points in 339 games. Thats an average of 13 goals and 33 points over 82 games. I think those are much more realistic expectations. 

T K O
T K O

@DWCMLHS  I agree to a certain extent but he has only broken 40 points once in his career... That one year he had 30 goals..... he has never been a playmaker in my mind so the apples are probably going to be a constant... he has shown no indication of scoring 30 plus again.... with that said... I like Kulemin but he is a 3rd liner and the big question is how much are you going to pay a 3rd liner or can he be replaced for cheaper

Greg Fenton
Greg Fenton

@DWCMLHS I think TKO's point is the samea s mine - one of those years he spent on the 2nd line, on the 2nd PP unit he only had 7 goals and 28 points. So trying to make it seem like he was a 45 point, 20-ish goal player isn't really painting an accurite picture of him. 


If you like him and want to stay, thats cool, but be honest about what he is. 

Greg Fenton
Greg Fenton

@djamon @Greg Fenton Lidstrom is Swedish. 


Bowman got there in 93-94


Lidstrom's rookie year was 91-92, Fedorovs was 90-91


Bowman was taking over a very skilled team that had under achived (in most peoples years) for several years. He went about really changing the culture of that team, and do so he went after the best player. He knew change like that has to come from the top. 

djamon
djamon

@Greg Fenton I don't know how long the Russians were there before Bowman. I just know their arrival coincided almost exactly with Detroit's success. This idea that Bowman persuaded Yzerman to become a more complete player and that, in turn, led to Detroit becoming a powerhouse is nothing more than a homey narrative created by Yzerman fans.

Greg Fenton
Greg Fenton

@djamon @Xxxxxnew Lidstrom and Fedorov were there long before Bowman was- Just saying. 


But you're right Ovechkin won't change unless he wants too. Yzerman didn't until he decided too. 

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Yeah, never got the full story. Kostistyns were involved with some shady types in Montreal, too. Maybe it was just a case of two Russians picking on a German born Belarusian.

Darkside Beleafer
Darkside Beleafer

@Xxxxxnew  And he had some weird ugly feud with the Kostistyn  brothers, didn't he? Didn't offer to fight either one of them at a place and time of their choosing?

loomx
loomx

@peterbleafs @loomx @Bruffins You'd have to be extremely lucky to even find a 3rd liner who's as defensively responsible and good for 30-40 points in free agency. Let alone one who will sign for 3mil or less.

loomx
loomx

@peterbleafs @loomx @KulieFTW Or how about just not with McClement? You want to replace him with a ~30-40 point 3rd liner who's defensively responsible? (That's Kulemin's description when he's away for McClement by the way)

peterbleafs
peterbleafs

@loomx @KulieFTW Ship him off to Washington or Pittsburgh and his numbers go back up, never here again.  He needs a change of scenery.  Back with Grabbo or with Malkin.