(Thursday Mashup) Too Much Cash for Komarov? Mutual interest with Dan Boyle?

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Too Much Cash for Komarov?

Obviously, the latter report conveys considerably less optimism when it comes to getting a deal done. Dave Nonis had no scruples about suggesting Komarov’s departure last summer was “about money,” not mentioning role, ice time or the Olympics.

Komarov reportedly made $2 million in the KHL last season, and according to Chris Johnston that was twice the amount the Leafs were willing to pay Leafs Nation’s popular pest.

Komarov posted 9 points in 42 games in the lockout-shortened 2013 campaign. While contracts are awarded based on career body of work, it’s hard not to point out the 11 points David Clarkson put up in 60 games after receiving 525% of the dollars Komarov was offered per annum, plus a lot more term.

One overpayment doesn’t mean Nonis should knowingly commit another, but I’d be finding something in the $1.5-1.9 million range to make sure Komarov is back as a versatile bottom six option on the Leafs next season. That might be a bit rich for Nonis’ tastes.

Leafs interested in Boyle, Boyle interested in Leafs?

Darren Dreger suggested on the radio yesterday that — somewhat surprising if true (one figures Boyle would be Cup hunting) — the Maple Leafs are high on Dan Boyle’s list of potential destinations if he hits UFA (the Islanders will have a couple more weeks here to try to get a deal done having acquired his rights). The interest apparently is mutual.

Sharks fans had begun to turn on Dan Boyle this past season:

[quote_box_center]In his sixth season with the franchise for which he’s the all-time leading scorer among defensemen, Dan Boyle had a disappointing year. He’d probably be the first to tell you that, too, considering what a frank assessment he gave of his play earlier in the season, admitting that he’d likely rushed his return from a concussion. That brain injury, the result of a horrific boarding penalty committed by Blues forward Maxim Lapierre, likely exacerbated the natural age-related decline that was already coming down the pike for the 37-year-old blueliner. Boyle finished the season with 12 goals and 36 points, his lowest output ever in a season where he’s played 70 or more games but his struggles were about more than production; few and far between were the singular rushes, perfect stretch passes and power play brilliance that Boyle’s tenure in teal will forever be associated with.
Fear the Fin[/quote_box_center]

On the positive side of things, Boyle did lead one of the best team’s in the league in time on ice last season, despite a concussion affecting his play, and is a veteran righty who would slot nicely onto the Leafs’ second pairing. He may well find a bit a new lease on life in the more open Eastern Conference gameplay and is a pretty sure bet to break 40-45 points given he suffered from some hard luck last season. Assuming Cody Franson isn’t coming back, Boyle would be a highly-capable powerplay substitute.

With that said, it’s all about price and if it’s worth giving Boyle the two years he wants. Boyle played the softest minutes among the Sharks’ six regular D last season with 52.1% offensive zone starts, a low quality of competition, and he’s turning 38 in a month. We know he wants a two year deal. Leafs management would have believe the aging Boyle has enough game left to come in and help out Phaneuf with some of the toughs in 2014-15 and 2015-16 or else the the cap space is probably better spent elsewhere.

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Alec Brownscombe is the founder of MapleLeafsHotStove.com, where he has written daily about the Leafs since September of 2008. He was also the editor of the 2009-12 Maple Leafs Annuals. You can contact him at [email protected]
  • Alec Brownscombe

    Hey guys, we’re going to rejig the organization of the discussion a little bit on here. 

    This is how we want it to work:

    1) If there’s an article posted addressing a specific topic, we want to have only comments relating to an article below the article. It adds value to the content and allows the author the opportunity to read and reply without sifting through 100s of comments that may or may not relate to the article.
    2) If your comment doesn’t have anything to do with an article — if it’s a new link, your own thought, something random – post it in the mashup and we’ll carry on the main conversation here in the mashup threads. That’s what they’re here for.

    Sound good?

  • 4evrblue

    Fuck off NoNo and get Leo back. He’s worth more than points

  • WendelGilmour

    Sounds like a good plan, especially if it promotes discussion with the authors. I’m in.

  • WendelGilmour

    No more than 1.5M for Leo. We can’t have 3/4th liners being overpaid. Most assume Non is cheating out, my money says Leo is asking more than someone in his role deserves. Same principle applies to Kuli, cheap deal or no deal.
    I didn’t realize Boyle had such a poor year after a concussion. No thanks, I’m not much of a believer in the whole change of scenery thing.

  • Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs

    WendelGilmour 
    Disagree completely. Hes not a pugilist hes a hard working rat who gets under the skins of the opposing players. He is as vital to the team as the 2nd line in my opinion. Why hold out and be hard nosed about this. Nonis saved 1million last year on not giving it to Komarov and giving it to a youngster or Raymond, whoever you feel ultimately replaced Leo in the line up.
    So Nonis in his wisdom felt that our season was worth 1million. Why doesnt every Toronto fan donate a dollar to the Leafs organisation and we just shut up shop and forget about next year.
    In my opinion Komarov is worth somewhere between 2.5 million and 2.8 million. If we dont pay it, someone else will and they will win and we will carry on losing.

  • WendelGilmour

    Komarov is hardly a difference maker. A Marlie could fill that role at half the cost.

  • Wardus

    Alec Brownscombe Great idea!  I’m not a frequent commenter because I don’t like to interrupt conversations, even though I stop in many times a day.  But if the article’s forum is kept to comments on the article, then there will be an opportunity for lurkers like me to post our 2 cents.   Thanks Alec!

  • Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs

    4evrblue 
    He’s a blue collar guy and a fan favourite. Fans love a player who wears his heart on his sleeve and puts a real effort in.
    Ill be honest I feel Komarov is a better 3rd line RW than Kadri is a 2nd line center. So yeah I would prefer Komarov over Kadri but naturally I wouldnt exchange a rough cut diamond for a decent enough watch that keeps perfect time. But I dont disregard the fact that I need to get to the office on time.

  • Wardus

    Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs WendelGilmour I agree… if the price is below 3 million, Nonis should get it done.  Komarov brings an element that was lacking last year.  He seems to love being there.  He loves being on the bench and on the ice and it’s contagious.

  • Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs

    WendelGilmour 
    look at this way my friend.
    Is Marchand worth his money. He scores on a par with most second liners but certainly not the best. But hes paid slightly over the going rate. Boston accept that the rough and tumble is part of the game. Wouldnt you agree that the money paid for Semin for instance is solely for the fact he can score goals when and if hes bothered, it certainly isnt for his hits and irritation factor. Hes more of an irritant for his home fans. So who would you prefer Marchand the rat or Semin the mouse.
    I think there is a huge lack of respect for hard workers and wind up merchants in hockey and an over play for weaklings and fairies. I mean a guy, an athlete, who cant do a single pull up is being considered as being first overall. What next?

  • Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs

    My take on Boyle is he will slot straight in and take some of the pressure off of Phanny. He will also be a good mentor for Gardiner and Rielly, someone to look up to. So for Phanny it will be a plus and will mean his return for the money will be greatly improved. 
    I would however wish that we would then have to move Franson out as we cant have too many puck movers on the team. I would also like to see Gardiner given a year on the wing. Keep his skating up and still getting minutes allowing us to add more stay at home guys on the blue line. I would boost Gardiners time with extra PP time. Boyle and Gardiner on first PP unit with Phanny and Riley on the 2nd should Riley be ready for it.

  • MaxwellHowe

    Getting a decent right D on the second pairing would go far in relieving the pressure on Dion.  Signing Boyle to a 2 year contract would be a great move.

    Cronin, in his departing interview, said the Leafs really missed Komarov.  Sensible two way guy with a pesky streak who should be on the 3rd or 4th line.  I hope something is worked out.

  • WendelGilmour

    I would take him back, but not at a high price. I think he could help, but I am not going to overpay to get him.
    I have a lot of respect for “plumbers “, but good teams that manage the cap slot them properly money wise.

  • maple1967leafs

    Considering Boyles age and the fact he had one of his worse years last year,and the SJ fans were getting on him last year{wait till he gets to the ACC},I think i would have to pass

  • HeatherRickAkin

    Discussion on the merits of trying to bring Komorov back is sensible. But a declining 38 yr old offensive defenceman , who will want decent money (I am guessing north of three million a year) . I just cant see the sanity in that. Really, if we give Boyle a 2 yr deal, at 3.5 per , we are nuts. Ok, we move from picking at number 8, to picking at #12 in the next couple seasons . Boyle may be a fit for a few teams, but not for a team who, as a whole, aren’t that well acquainted with their goaltenders .

  • maple1967leafs

    Gunnar and Gleason are our only defensive d-men,And Gleason used to be more of a two way guy,we need a true defensive d-man,One who blocks a lot of shots and can clear the front of the net

  • MLHS_Luke

    Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs Based on his offensive zone/QoC starts, I’m not sure he really would take any pressure off of Phaneuf..

  • Zep2

    Komarov adds more to the bottom 6 than Boyle does to the top 4
    If Boyle was 33 and concussion free, different story

  • Bobsyouruncle

    Sound good? No. But maybe I don’t get it.  
    Spent the last 5 years usually waiting for the first 100 comments to pass out of respect for the writer, but restricting comments to the subject at hand will get boring quick, and splitting other things like recipes, music and random thoughts to where?  
    People don’t want to just talk about what someone else felt like writing. 
    Sounds like an unnecessary policy imo. 
    There you go, just fucking delete this one I guess.

  • MLHS_Luke

    Bobsyouruncle It is much more respectful to the authors, but tbh it will likely result in less involvement in articles as people will take a quick scan of a document, and head to the mashup.

  • maple1967leafs

    CanuckUKinToronto maple1967leafs he is the closest thing we have to a defensive d-man thats y we need a real one

  • Mind Bomb

    Good morning Folks

  • Uncle Otis

    Bobsyouruncle 
    Vape off MLHS?

  • MaxwellHowe

    There is, IMO, already a schism developing between Nonis and Shanny, and its the way they address the media with respect to their players.  Nonis has no problem using an interview to further his goals in negotiation.  He did it last summer vis a vis Kadri and Franson.  He is doing it again with Komarov.  But Shanahan will do an interview and tell the world that Bolland is exactly the kind of player the Leafs need.  Personally, the more I hear from each of them the more I wish they would STFU

  • Mind Bomb

    MLHS_Luke Bobsyouruncle I am with Bob on this as well. I Will try to do what Alec Wishes, however Like Luke said, I will Read the article and just go to the Mash up to chat with everyone. 

    Its no disrespect intended Alec, But I blog at work, witch is risky enough having one Tab open, but moving back and forth to both, I will try , but I bet you just see me go to the Mashup

  • MaxwellHowe

    BTW, how do we know the Leafs are interested in Dan Boyle?

  • maple1967leafs

    MaxwellHowe E4

  • MLHS_Luke

    Mind Bomb MLHS_Luke Bobsyouruncle Ha – while we’re on the topic of not being able to read MLHS at work, I can’t read it because of your avatar.  It sticks out like crazy on my monitor – not exactly office friendly..

  • MaxwellHowe

    Mind Bomb MLHS_Luke Bobsyouruncle apart from that, the spontaneity of the discussions keep everything fresh, you learn new things.  If there is an article about Bozak or Lupul or Phaneuf, I know generally what the opinions of the regulars will be.  Its only when things go off the rails that fresh opinions are offered

  • darthNihilus

    Why do we want a concussed 38 year defenseman? This makes no sense. We want him to help Dion but on the second pairing? How is his mobility at 38? Because we already have people skating around Gunner and Franson. Boyle played the softest minutes on the Sharks D as per the article so what do we need him for? We need a guy that can play hard minutes and shut lines down to help Dion, we don’t need the 30-40 points as bad as we need the defensive ability. If we care about points sign Brennan and let him play.

  • MaxwellHowe

    maple1967leafs MaxwellHowe It makes sense for the Leafs – I wonder if Dreger refrained from offering that side of the perspective – potential Leaf interest – due to his relation with Nonis and the possiblity of allegations of tampering?  Maybe he did, I don’t listen thru his meanderings, but it might be risky territory for TSN, Dreger and the TML

  • MaxwellHowe

    darthNihilus Well he is experienced, and putting him on the second pairing, one presumes, allows the second pairing to play longer and tougher minutes thereby reducing Phanuef’s time – tho it does seem to be the case that the SJS didn’t have him playing the tough minutes – but the SJS are much much much better than the Leafs, so who knows?

  • Mind Bomb

    MLHS_Luke Mind Bomb Bobsyouruncle How big is your Font lol  But I will change it then, I am not out to get anyone in Trouble

  • Mind Bomb

    MaxwellHowe Mind Bomb MLHS_Luke Bobsyouruncle 100 percent, Us regulars are a little different, Unless I have err’d Alec is catering to the casual readers that just stop by for the Articles. But all of Us, generally know where each other stands, we just like to Bicker about it lol

  • darthNihilus

    MaxwellHowe darthNihilus That the San Jose Sharks are a lot better than the Leafs is not a good reason for us to acquire Boyle. They are not a lot better than us because of Boyle-based on what I read in the article. Maybe if the price and contract make sense it would be worthy of some consideration, but not for 6.7 mil and the guy is only 5.11 – so he’s no beast.

  • darthNihilus

    Oh and whats with the gestapo rules above? Are we going full ppp banning anyone we don’t like? I think all the  regular posters here play by the rules 99.9% of the time even in disagreement. So we talk barbecues and whatnot when not much else is going on-big deal. Sometimes that’s better than the ridiculous proposals that come out of here.

  • phaneufoundlander

    MaxwellHowe  I cant see Boyle being interested in TO…just another silly leaf rumour….he’s 38 and surely does not want to spend his possible last few years with a team that doesn’t know if its going to rebuild or contend.

  • maple1967leafs

    I don’t know if i’m out of line but i just want to mention this before Phook gets on,,,,,,Ritchie !!

  • phaneufoundlander

    Mind Bomb  morning Bomber

  • MaxwellHowe

    maple1967leafs its the mashup.  We can mock Phook all we want.

  • MaxwellHowe

    darthNihilus MaxwellHowe For 2 years ain’t no big thang – and he has to be better than Frannie

  • Mind Bomb

    phaneufoundlander Mind Bomb Sup Lander, Dam Rangers, cant go out quietly, no, no 

    Damit

  • Burtonboy

    I’ve done some off topic chatting that’s for sure but I have to agree some sort guidelines are needed . Lately (last 3-4 months ) its gotten way out of hand and I spend far less time here because of it. I like the compromise Alec has proposed and we should at least give this shot.

  • MaxwellHowe

    Mind Bomb phaneufoundlander take it slow

  • Cameron19

    darthNihilus Meh. Is it really such a big deal to open a window for chatting? The issue, I would imagine, is that a lot of people don’t read the articles, they just go to the newest thread and continue posting about whatever they like. If that’s all you want to do, just do it in the mash-up. Makes sense to me.

  • Uncle Otis

    Maybe some of us oldtimers just need our own little playpen :)
    Sure will cut down on the comment section…and interaction between the “regulars”
    I understand where he’s going…new readers are awash/likely confused by our references and chatty styles.
    Likely necessary to grow the site to engage that casual reader…thereby making him a regular.
    Will it work?
    Maybe,but likely at the expense of many who helped grow the site over the years with their patronage

  • Uncle Otis

    MaxwellHowe maple1967leafs 
    It’s kinda impossible not to

  • Cameron19

    Bobsyouruncle I think they’re just saying if you don’t want to comment on article, go to the most recent mashup and talk about whatever you want.

  • Mind Bomb

    MaxwellHowe Mind Bomb phaneufoundlander Might as well, Same coach, same roster, Draft safe at 8 so in 5 years we can start seeing some benifit from this years pick.

  • vinoa

    Cameron19 darthNihilus The worst is when there are discussions/proposals that go against everything in the articles. Makes for a lot of wasted time and effort.