(Thursday Mashup) Too Much Cash for Komarov? Mutual interest with Dan Boyle?

(Thursday Mashup) Too Much Cash for Komarov? Mutual interest with Dan Boyle?

Too Much Cash for Komarov?

Obviously, the latter report conveys considerably less optimism when it comes to getting a deal done. Dave Nonis had no scruples about suggesting Komarov’s departure last summer was “about money,” not mentioning role, ice time or the Olympics.

Komarov reportedly made $2 million in the KHL last season, and according to Chris Johnston that was twice the amount the Leafs were willing to pay Leafs Nation’s popular pest.

Komarov posted 9 points in 42 games in the lockout-shortened 2013 campaign. While contracts are awarded based on career body of work, it’s hard not to point out the 11 points David Clarkson put up in 60 games after receiving 525% of the dollars Komarov was offered per annum, plus a lot more term.

One overpayment doesn’t mean Nonis should knowingly commit another, but I’d be finding something in the $1.5-1.9 million range to make sure Komarov is back as a versatile bottom six option on the Leafs next season. That might be a bit rich for Nonis’ tastes.

Leafs interested in Boyle, Boyle interested in Leafs?

Darren Dreger suggested on the radio yesterday that — somewhat surprising if true (one figures Boyle would be Cup hunting) — the Maple Leafs are high on Dan Boyle’s list of potential destinations if he hits UFA (the Islanders will have a couple more weeks here to try to get a deal done having acquired his rights). The interest apparently is mutual.

Sharks fans had begun to turn on Dan Boyle this past season:

In his sixth season with the franchise for which he’s the all-time leading scorer among defensemen, Dan Boyle had a disappointing year. He’d probably be the first to tell you that, too, considering what a frank assessment he gave of his play earlier in the season, admitting that he’d likely rushed his return from a concussion. That brain injury, the result of a horrific boarding penalty committed by Blues forward Maxim Lapierre, likely exacerbated the natural age-related decline that was already coming down the pike for the 37-year-old blueliner. Boyle finished the season with 12 goals and 36 points, his lowest output ever in a season where he’s played 70 or more games but his struggles were about more than production; few and far between were the singular rushes, perfect stretch passes and power play brilliance that Boyle’s tenure in teal will forever be associated with.
-Fear the Fin

On the positive side of things, Boyle did lead one of the best team’s in the league in time on ice last season, despite a concussion affecting his play, and is a veteran righty who would slot nicely onto the Leafs‘ second pairing. He may well find a bit a new lease on life in the more open Eastern Conference gameplay and is a pretty sure bet to break 40-45 points given he suffered from some hard luck last season. Assuming Cody Franson isn’t coming back, Boyle would be a highly-capable powerplay substitute.

With that said, it’s all about price and if it’s worth giving Boyle the two years he wants. Boyle played the softest minutes among the Sharks’ six regular D last season with 52.1% offensive zone starts, a low quality of competition, and he’s turning 38 in a month. We know he wants a two year deal. Leafs management would have believe the aging Boyle has enough game left to come in and help out Phaneuf with some of the toughs in 2014-15 and 2015-16 or else the the cap space is probably better spent elsewhere.

Player usage chart - 6 players

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1509 comments
Leafs1932
Leafs1932

Komarov is exactly the type of player the Leafs need...again!  You win on high quality 2 to 4 lines, not your stars. Look at the difference in one year after moving away from the plugging, checking, hitting lines they had with Komarov vs. this past year...get back to where we were 2 years again. Kom is exactly the road to travel...$2 mill is not out of line, he will stop as many goals by his play and 'intimidation' factor as he will score, but well worth the money or close to it....and 3 years minimum.  Hopefully Shanahan can see clearer than Nonis on this...if Shanahan doesn't know what Kom was like 2 years ago, start watching tapes...he's what you say you're looking for! 47 years and counting folks...how many more years of re-building are we going to take!

cryptotho
cryptotho

jesus we pay over 5 for clarkson but wont give Komarov +2????????? NONIS AH IM STARTING TO FKIN LOSE ITASOIUBASGAJGPAG, PLEASE COME BACK BURKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYY

Number44
Number44

I feel if we were to sign Dan Boyle he should get a Jagr, Iginla like Contact so it would be less risk he would have to earn bonuses i believe for his body of work on the ice. if he wants 5million+ on the other hand which i wouldnt give him he should only be signed to a 1 year deal since he had a concussion and he's turning 38 this year and should be if not yet be on the decline .

Cloud09
Cloud09

Anyways I'm off to bed. Gotta get up early so I can get the wife and kid out of the house and enjoy my day off properly. 

Murph2417
Murph2417

I do respect the decision to do this @DeclanK and I do understand how it would be offensive to some professional writers or even non-professional writers when there are off topic conversations going on in the comment section. I speak for myself when I say this obviously, but I do enjoy every article I read and I appreciate the work and effort that is put into every one, apparently I got confused when I read the featured comment. 

What I took from the comment (and I am almost certain most people also took from it) was that if it is not a "specified" mashup article, than no off topic comments will be allowed. Seeing some of your recent comments clears this up for me and it seems that most articles that are opinion/analysis type articles, I am thinking you should maybe inform everyone else of this just to stop the "pot" from potentially "boiling over". 

I highly doubt I will be going anywhere myself because where else am I going to spend hours of my days talking to maniac leaf fans about numerous interests in common and complaining about how terrible our beloved team is? 

Luke_R
Luke_R

Quick question before I sleep. Is this rule only for the analysis/opinion pieces?  Cause that would make much more sense as long as constant "mashup" or reaction articles are posted as follow up

Luke_R
Luke_R

Anyways Im not leaving thats for sure i love it here, but ill proably become more a lurker and thats fine i guess, its what you guys want... (Chats brushed away to the side).

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I get sort of why you guysdo this, but dont agree, thats all.  No big deal not my site lol

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Ive always thought this site would work better with a chat room system more and have said that so i see where this is coming from.  

Bless MLHS

Luke_R
Luke_R

@DeclanK why did you delete m post it was well thought out and took a while to articulate

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

A quick comment regarding the endless complaining about the very slight change in where to direct general comments/random chit-chat.

It's been well thought out, data driven and the reader is taken into consideration—it's not pageview driven (???) like was suggested below. It's a user experience driven decision.

If I can use the example of a few posts that Gus Katsaros spent weeks putting together—they were long and heavy reads on systemic play of the Leafs and the first 5 comments were all off topic, dismissive and, quite frankly, insulting to him and us. The same goes for a lot of the articles that usually have a huge amount of effort and research to craft.

If a new visitor comes to an article, having never been to the site before and wants to comment on that article, then he/she has to interrupt a flow of conversation about: rosterbating, Game of Thrones or whatever off-topic conversation is happening and make a comment about something that is on-topic. They usually leave and don’t engage in thoughtful conversation about the post. This is what the data tells us and this is feedback from people that email, contact us via the contact form or tweet at/DM us on twitter.

We've done this before, but never officially and it's never even been noticed or complained about. Interestingly, the articles that we have steered general comments away from have always had first time commenters on that we’ve never seen before.

As far as the rules, they’ve always been there and commenters asked us to post on every page so there is no ambiguity. There haven’t been any added.

If you don’t want to read the articles—and there’s a few commenters that don’t—then click straight into the mashup and you won’t notice. As far as thinking that the comments section being the most important part of the site, consider that 30 people comment on average and that’s well less than 1% of the overall traffic of the site.

Less than 1% of website visitors ever read the comments section, they’re here for the articles or the links to other articles—not the comments.

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Murph2417 @DeclanK Ya, I think we maybe worded it err.. poorly. How in Christ could a GDT ever be on topic? Or a post game? Totally impossible. 

Just the stuff that takes a long time and is designed to spur on some good comments/arguments. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@lukethenuke

We're doing a mashup every day. That's the general discussion/free-for-all/whatever. Same as always.

GDTs are the same as always

GIT/Game reviews are the same as always.

Opinion/Analysis pieces are going to be comments on that topic only.

Like I said, it's very small change. 

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@DeclanK 

Fair enough Dec..have never really read it explained that way

You all put so much into the experience that makes this the go to website on all things Leafy..hands down

We should try and respect the decisions as clearly there is much more that went into it to which we aren't privy

I will say,however, not to discount the value of the posters

While they may not make up the hit count to the degree most imagined,they do constitute a core that engages and creates a community...albeit slightly dysfunctional :)

I have told many friends and colleagues in the hockey community about this website and suspect many have visited....surely I'm not alone.

Personally,I enjoy the rapport with many of the creatures here just as much as the informed writings...and there are some sage opinions below the bar as well..as well as lots of laughs.

In the end,I suspect we will adapt not unlike the switch to livewire

Thanks to you Alec, Anthony and the gang for all you do

Otis

Cloud09
Cloud09

@DeclanK So what about GDT, Game reviews, are they considered open season or out of bounds for comments?

Luke_R
Luke_R

smh.  Poor decision making guy.  Very poor

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@DeclanK @Murph2417 

I think that's the point...maybe an article to explain much of what you said downstream would have been more effective. Or that GDT/Post Game wont be...etc etc

I think Cloud did voice what many long patrons felt today when they woke up to "the notice"( or like Bon..came to:)..but they communicated their feelings through angered barbs

It seemed a bit vague and dictatorial...and that's a recipe for trouble with this gang

Anyway,just another .02 cents



Murph2417
Murph2417

@DeclanK @Murph2417 Yes, I do understand. It's the same with anyone that puts a lot of time and effort into something. If you don't get recognized for it, it's highly discouraging.

Having a GDT on topic would be IMPOSSIBLE, the conversations change every 45 seconds from Phaneuf sucks, to trade Gardiner, to look what I made for my meal, back to Phaneuf sucking. This is why I love this site though. It's a community and a great one, well done on the site and I will likely be here till I'm old and can't type.

Cloud09
Cloud09

@DeclanK @lukethenuke Not gonna lie, you needed to clarify that from the beginning. I'm gonna guess that most of the vitriol behind this could have been avoided if it was better explained. 

Luke_R
Luke_R

@DeclanK @lukethenuke how everyones describing it, its like its every article.

I dont even think theres many opinion analysis pieces up daily anyways lol guess thats fine like i said, as long as theres a coinciding place up as well.  

Still will be a pain for some who comment in the interesting stuff from the article, comment, discuss and wait for other in the community to comment and wait in the other "mashup".

During the season theres more mashups and GDTS than others so shouldnt be bad.  But i still feel you will cut back regulation in the end

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Uncle Otis @DeclanK It's not discounting the commenters, UO - just trying to keep the analysis/opinion articles better focused. Like I said, it encourages new posters that might otherwise not comment.

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Uncle Otis @DeclanK

We know it will help keep the conversations better focused on the opinion/analysis articles (albeit with much less commenting) but the conversation on the regular threads will remain the same.

That's assuming that people don't storm out for no reason (like above).

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Murph2417 @DeclanK

LOL - sounds good man. Our bad for not explaining it better. Hopefully clears some misconceptions up.

Cloud09
Cloud09

@Dewy Keon Hogturd Hudak's job plan and union busting was his downfall. Having a Liberal majority was probably the worst case scenario for the province.  

Cloud09
Cloud09

@DeclanK @Uncle Otis I'm sure it wasn't your intention but your comments about the regulars sure did feel like a slap in the face to the tight-knit community that has grown over the past 6-7 years. I had to re-read your post a few times to wrap my head around it and not post something dumb that I would regret. We might be less than 1% but without having the faithful MLHS commenters I don't think Alec and yourself would be where you are today with MLHS.

Cloud09
Cloud09

@DeclanK @Cloud09 The same as in the past GDT and GR? I get that you are trying to curb off-topic discussion, and during the offseason I can see why you would want to keep it to certain threads but I don't know how you plan on managing it during the season when you could post 3-4 articles a day. 

Cloud09
Cloud09

@DeclanK @Uncle Otis That said you guys do a great job. We've weathered change before, and I'm sure we can get through this too. 

Luke_R
Luke_R

@Cloud09 @DeclanK @Uncle Otis undervaluing us for sure but its not our site is it.  Be grateful for the good things in life and dont waste your time complaining about the shitty (unless its the leafs- that shits a dieseas lol)

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Dewy Keon Hogturd Much less. Not about volume as much on those. Whenever we've posted an article on it's own and kept discussion on an open thread, they might only be 10-30

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Cloud09 @DeclanK

It's more for the opinion/analysis type articles - GDT and Game Reviews are obviously pretty wild & fun usually.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

@Cloud09 @Xxxxxnew @Uncle Otis @DeclanK @Murph2417 Well, I'm a hockey fan first and I wish sometimes when the Leafs aren't up to anything there was more discussion about other teams, maybe in relation to how they go about building their squads, what they're doing right and wrong. How do their prospects compare. But when you try to start a discussion about half the teams everyone just starts ranting about how 'they suck' and go back to creating endless Leaf lineups. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Cloud09 @DeclanK @Uncle Otis

It's not a slap in the face and it's not disrespecting the commenters one bit. It's fucking awesome that we'll get 6,000 comments on a big day. In talking with the CEO of Disqus way back when, while doing tech support in the middle of the night trying to keep the comments section from crashing, he was super impressed that an indy site like MLHS could generate that much conversation. I'm sure they host comments on millions of sites and have seen their fair share. It's unique and awesome and makes MLHS different in that regard.

What it is, is a slap in the face is to the Anthony's, Gus', Alec's, Michael's, Alex's, etc. that spend hours and, sadly, days on some of the in-depth posts that posters hi-jack the conversation into something that has nothing to do with it. It discourages thoughtful conversation on the posts that really deserve to proper discourse. 

It shouldn't affect convo one bit.

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@DeclanK @Dewy Keon Hogturd 

And likely engage the more reticent to jump in with an opinion

One of the probs in the comment section is often they come so fast/furious when busy that good comments/convos get buried and lost downstream quickly

I know a few of us(like Bob) make it a point to backread for interesting points/chatter..but it is time consuming

I think there is more to the 'dissent' than has been spoken, but I'll leave that for others to discern/speak of.

I'll just say,again,there are some good hockey minds/thoughts below the bar...maybe this will give some of them a chance to voice in clearer light

Cloud09
Cloud09

@DeclanK @Cloud09 @Uncle Otis Agree to disagree I guess. IMO the last few paragraphs in your comment sure did feel like regular MLHS commenters are a small insignificant portion of the site with little value in the overall scheme of things. That's how I interpreted it when I first read it. I might be wrong, thus why I said I'm sure it wasn't your intention. 

Luke_R
Luke_R

@Uncle Otis @DeclanK @Dewy Keon Hogturd You know you can sort comments by most liked... thats usually the very good thought out opinion comments on the piece/  Unless oure intrested in people posting "great read" lol.  We already know its a great read

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@Cloud09 @DeclanK @Uncle Otis 

From a purely business/hits perspective,it appears that is true..and that's Dec's bag.

And it's other changes we have seen of late as well..from avatars to less tolerance with posters who lead things astray

Ultimately,MLHS has to decide on directions and like any growing entity,change is often required to adjust to growth and new "markets"

I was wrongly under the opinion that we made up the majority of hits...so there could be a day when comments vanish completely..or are severely moderated

Well,guys like Jordan who was here from the very beginning, can remember when Alec made the switch from HB and know he ,and many others, helped contribute to a site that has grown into something the MSSM cant provide as thoroughly

Anyway,I  think many oldtimers feel similarly to you

Maybe a word or two from Alec will help






Cloud09
Cloud09

@Xxxxxnew @Cloud09 @Uncle Otis @DeclanK @Murph2417 It's the hot topic, I love both those sports as well so I have no issues having a discussion about them. No Leafs news also kills conversation as well because like Murph said we've beaten the dead horse that is the Leafs back alive and then dead again.