(Tuesday Mashup) Still Waiting for Leafs News

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In the meantime, some offseason speculation and draft stuff to chew on in the links below.

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  • Leafs89

    I can see a ph9 for ROR deal on the horizon. More likely than grabbing the 1st. Seems like a possibility.

  • Loric76

    @Leafs89 There’s potentially 28 other teams that will be in on ROR (those with cap issues will move others to make room), and while Phaneuf is a major trading piece he’ll be 30 this year.  There’s no way the Leafs win the negotiation battle without sending back youth – one or both of Gardiner and Kadri will be required.

  • WendelGilmour

    Well, no news is better than hearing the Leafs have dealt some of our youth, or taken another big bite out of cap space. IMO, we are simply not at the point you could do that without hurting the team long term .
    You need a good foundation, and strong depth before you can go down that road. No quick fixes, we would only slide back again in a couple of years.

  • Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs

    CanuckUKinToronto 
    Why are people trying to trade d-men to Colorado. They have a wealth of defensive talent that doesnt need to be watered down with the inclusion of Phanny.
    They were defensively solid and boasted one of the highest IF NOT the highest scoring rate of the 6 men combined.
    Erik Johnson (1st overall pick in 2006 – It does happen) had 39 points and threw his weight and size around.
    Jan Hejda did what he was supposed to do with pretty solid play
    Ryan Wilson was solid in the stint he had
    Cory Sarich as proffessional as usual
    Same with Andre Benoit
    Tyson Barrie had a tough start to his second season proper but came alight in the end and was solid
    Nick Holden was a revelation.
    Why would they want  to bring in a player to eat up minutes when they have there top 2 sorted, The next two are very good and even their 3rd two could essentially move up and be the 2nd two so any d-men they would need to add, would be because of injuries and they still have Guenin and a farmer team to pick from for 3rd pairing minutes.
    Why would they want to add 7 million to their cap when their best defender is being paid less than half that.
    Newsflash. Just because there is a fan hate on Phaneuf amongst the Leafs fans does not mean every team will want to take on a tough contract just so they can hand over a piece the Leafs need.
    Trading Phanny would hurt us, who else can eat the minutes. We need an extra minute muncher NOT get rid. If Phanny goes we will need to bring in Markov AND Boyle. And personally Id rather stick with Phanny and Franson, more years in them.

  • MaxwellHowe

    Heres a question: If the Leafs, despite best efforts, come to realize there are no available upgrades at C AND the only upgrades at D are aged dmen like a Dan Boyle or Robidas – are the Leafs then better off making a rebuild type move for a high pick?  I’m for rebuild now – but if those here who think just weeks are needed come to learn that there are no upgrades available in the here and now – then what?

  • MaxwellHowe

    or eating a nice chunk of Dion’s salary.

  • Mind Bomb

    Good morning Folks !

  • MLHS_Luke

    Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs CanuckUKinToronto Everything I hear from Colorado fans is that their defence is terrible.  

    Also don’t understand why people bring up trading Phaneuf without talking about a rebuild.  Do you want a rebuild?  Because that’s how you get a rebuild.

  • MLHS_Luke

    Mind Bomb Morning MB – I didn’t realize you actually changed your avatar.  Didn’t mean to “ask” you to do that, but I do appreciate it.

  • Great Dane

    MaxwellHowe  I believe that rebuid moves are required. To be honest I can’t see why UFAs like Stastny would sign in Toronto.

    We need to draft the centers that we need and hope that we young defense-men that grow into a top pairing.

  • MLHS_Luke

    MaxwellHowe I fear that people’s own job security (Nonis and old staff) will strongly oppose a rebuild, as it will be admitting defeat.  I am absolutely for a rebuild – this is the year to steal a pile of top 10 picks, set the team up to tank this season, and we’re ready to grow.

  • Great Dane

    This is really good article on where the Leafs stand

    http://theleafsnation.com/2014/6/16/how-far-are-the-leafs-from-the-stanley-cup

    It ain’t pretty

  • MaxwellHowe

    This is why keeping Nonis was a mistake IMO

  • Mind Bomb

    MLHS_Luke Mind Bomb No worries Bro, its all for fun, and I understand, I am in a laid back office environment, Locally owned company, But I have worked for larger ones, that would give people shit at work for my avatar

    I understand Luke, its all good, I can bring it out on evenings and weekends lol

  • Mind Bomb

    @Leafs89 At least thats a better valuation for Dion lol

  • MaxwellHowe

    That article and Anthony’s article yesterday paint a strak picture of a team lacking in the fundamental building blocks of a champion – and with no obvious or easy means of filling those needs.

  • Mind Bomb

    Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs CanuckUKinToronto

    Morning Nuckles, the beat writer for the Avs agree’s, Defense is their problem

    We know what is keeping the Avs from being a real Stanley Cup contender, and that is defense. O’Reilly could be just the guy to bring in the proper defenseman to win a Cup. The L.A. Kings have proven you don’t need nine all-stars on your first three lines to win a Cup. You need just enough offense, and an oversupply of defense and goaltending. Right now, the Avs are the inverse

    Good article here

    http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2014/06/16/avalanche-elect-arbitration-ryan-oreilly-heres-means/18530/

  • Great Dane

    MaxwellHowe  You are absolutely right. Nonis and Shanahan to sell as all assets as possible older than Kessel.

    Buyout Gleason; Go to cap floor; pick up contracts and draft picks/prospects at the deadline for bad contracts.

    Draft two times in top 10 this and hopefully the same next year

    JVR –  xxxx – Kessel
    xxxx  –  Kadri (if not traded) – xxxx 
    Komorov – Holland – Clarkson
    Levio – McKegg – Ashton
    xxx –  Reilly
    Gardiner – xxx
    Granberg – Gunnar (if not traded)
    Bernier

    With for instance E. Kane coming back and couple of other young players we would get to around the cap floor.

  • Great Dane

    Dewy Keon Hogturd If we can figure it out why can’t management.

  • Komas Taberle

    Good morning all!
    Has Nonis, Carlyle and Ph9 been fired or traded yet?

  • Great Dane

    Komas Taberle We got a bad start to the day sorry

  • Komas Taberle

    Great Dane Komas Taberle
    It was a good article, shows exactly how far we are from being competetive.

  • MLHS_Luke

    MaxwellHowe Prior to these playoffs I would have argued that we absolutely have to rebuild, but man, two crappy teams in New York and Montreal made the semis.  IMO we aren’t much different than them.  Get a few lucky bounces in the SCF and the Rangers could have won it.

    That is how Nonis et al. will be selling it to MLSE, I imagine.

  • darthNihilus

    If Phaneuf is traded without a rebuild the Leafs will regret it. (unless there’s some magical D coming back)

  • Komas Taberle

    darthNihilus
    I got a feeling he is gone, he’s not a leader, good player but not a top #1.

  • darthNihilus

    For all we know (Nonis and co) have their eyes on someone we haven’t even thought about or considered. Just because the media reports someone is in play doesnt mean the Leafs don’t have their eyes a million miles away. No one would of guessed we would have gotten Dion in the first place. Grabbo was a quiet deal. All the BIG moves in the past regardless of who the management was always stayed quiet and unforeseen until announcement.

  • Mind Bomb

    Komas Taberle Morning KT

  • MaxwellHowe

    Good point

  • Mind Bomb

    Komas Taberle Great Dane Acutally it shows how far Nonis set us back with his Roster moves, and the reverse can happen, 2 or 3 actuall good moves, and we are Back

  • darthNihilus

    Komas Taberle darthNihilus I am not talking about his leadership or captaincy, if you move him there is no one defensively capable enough to replace him and you automatically make your team a whole lot worse.

  • Mind Bomb

    CanuckUKinToronto Mind Bomb Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs

    Colorado would want Dion, not Franny  though.  Would we trade Dion for a 1C ?

  • darthNihilus

    Dewy Keon Hogturd You can have all the feeling you want but you just don’t know, none of us do.

  • Mind Bomb

    darthNihilus  Dude we are getting Kovalchuk :)

  • Mind Bomb

    darthNihilus Komas Taberle But keep the other good pieces so we are just good enough to finish out of the Playoffs , and out of a  Top pick

    Stuck in the Middle with you :)_

  • Burtonboy

    Great Dane Dewy Keon Hogturd Maybe there’s a very slight chance that its the fans that don’t have it figured and management does?

  • T_Ry

    Burtonboy Great Dane Dewy Keon Hogturd  Or, just as likely, that no one does at all.

  • T_Ry

    G’morning all.  If there’s no Leaf news, can we start making it up yet?  It’s worked out well for Eklund…

  • darthNihilus

    Mind Bomb darthNihilus Why not Crosby-its not like he did anything for Pittsburgh?

  • Mind Bomb

    T_Ry Morning, 

    * start * making it up lol :)

  • Komas Taberle

    T_Ry
    Sure… Phaneuf to Anaheim for their #10 pick and Anders Lindholm.
    Trade #8 and # 10 to Edmonton for their #3 pick.
    Draft Bennet.
    So you have a 20 year old stud on the backend and your future 1st line centre.
    In 3 years you are competing for a cup.

  • darthNihilus

    T_Ry I see the Dan Boyle move as a realistic possibility. (whether I agree with it or not)

  • T_Ry

    Komas Taberle T_Ry  Welp, that was easy.  Guess we can call it a day.

  • Komas Taberle

    T_Ry Komas Taberle
    Yep where do I sign!

  • T_Ry

    darthNihilus T_Ry  Yeah, I could see it happening too. I’ll reserve judgement until I know what the price tag is, or what other moves are made.

  • MaxwellHowe

    Ok, so we’re making it up…….
    If I had to guess at a dark horse trading partners, I would look to the St. Louis Blues and Nashville Predators -two teams seemingly deep at D but lacking scoring punch.  The Leafs have several scoring threats on their roster.
    And I’d look at Anton Stralman and Matt Moulson as surprise FA signings.

  • Loric76

    T_Ry My best Eklund impersonation from the other day, which in hindsight is more Dreger than Eklund:

    “If Phaneuf isn’t traded, he’s likely to play for the Leafs this season.”

  • T_Ry

    MaxwellHowe  I’m a bit surprised that no one’s talking about Moulson, actually.  I know we don’t need wingers, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the near side of the lake.

  • MaxwellHowe

    We’ll have the space – and need for a left winger – once Lupul is traded

  • T_Ry

    MaxwellHowe  There we go…now we’re in Eklund’s wheelhouse.  Dominos, e5, more to come.

  • Komas Taberle

    Loric76 T_Ry
    Captain Obvious says ” If Phaneuf isn’t traded he will remain captain of the Leafs”