Friday Mashup: 3 Unknowns Remain; Gord Dineen TSN1050 Interview

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Gord Dineen
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The three major remaining off season questions in Leafland, it seems: What’s RFA Jake Gardiner’s contract going to look like? What are the settlements going to be for arbitration-bound James Reimer and Cody Franson? Will the latter pair still be Leafs come September?

We’ll find out the answer on Franson’s settlement on Monday. Resident sports lawyer Elliot Saccucci will stop by a little later today with a look at that upcoming arbitration case.

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Gord Dineen on TSN 1050 TSN Drive With Dave Naylor – July 17.

New Head Coach of the Toronto Marlies Gord Dineen joins Dave Naylor and Dave Feschuk to talk about the new gig and some Marlies who might be ready to take the next step this Fall.

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Friday Morning Links:

  • LeafFan15

    Morning mates

  • TuckerForPunishment

    I can feel a big trade coming today.

  • Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs

    TuckerForPunishment 
    What team?, Wont be us surely unless BB is back.

  • Burtonboy

    TuckerForPunishment I’m a bit surprised at how few trades there have been Tucker. The League has changed a lot in that regard. If it wasn’t for Burke pushing the salary retention idea would be any ?

  • TuckerForPunishment

    Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs TuckerForPunishment I’m trading my old van for a dirtbike.  😉

  • TuckerForPunishment

    Burtonboy TuckerForPunishment That’s why I chuckle to myself everytime I read “Trade so and so for a pick at the deadline.”

  • Burtonboy

    TuckerForPunishment Burtonboy Yeah. Trading is so dammed difficult . Not many want to take on salary unless it FA where its basically a free wallet . Its like the Gunnar trade. We paid 200,000 of his salary just to even up the cap space for both teams.

  • Burtonboy

    CanuckUKinToronto Burtonboy TuckerForPunishment Looking more and more like the only trading we will see league wide are minor deals with no cap implications for either team.

  • Mind Bomb

    Good morning Folks ! Welcome to Friday

  • Burtonboy

    Mind Bomb Is it Friday? Never know what day it is anymore . They are all the same to me lol

  • Mind Bomb

    Burtonboy Mind Bomb Ouch, sure rub it in lol.  Fridays are always crazy at the border for me. Good thing is your so busy the day fly’s by

  • Yaknowwhat

    Yeh…its kind of funny when you hear clowns like Button scolding Nonis for not moving Franson and Reimer….did it ever enter into their pea brains that perhaps the offers for these two players were far below what Nonis felt was fair market value? These same characters would scream bloody murder if Nonis moved them for a 3rd round pick….did they ever consider that perhaps…once their salaries are settled that all interested teams would then have firm cap numbers to work with and return to the trading table? Sometimes I wonder if some people have a clue what goes on behind the scenes to get a deal done….its usually like a long winded game of poker where both sides are trying to bluff other a bit…and wait each other out….but one thing for sure…with the cap….most GM’s want a firm grip on what the player’s salary is going to be for they make trade…even if its short term..

  • Yaknowwhat

    Mind Bomb  Good morning Bomber!! 4.5 hours to go….and I am off for two glorious weeks!!!

  • Burtonboy

    Yaknowwhat Cap is King. If you don’t have it you’re fucked for the most part . Just look at the mess Boston is in. Leafs have put themselves in a pretty good spot from that perspective

  • Yaknowwhat

    Burtonboy Yaknowwhat  So true BB….a lot of fans need to understand this….they think making trades with good returns are easy to do…when in fact….they are very very difficult to do and take a lot of time…and sometimes…never happen at all…

  • Yaknowwhat

    CanuckUKinToronto Yaknowwhat  you got that right..

  • LeafsGuru

    Didn’t they say it took months for the Bernier trade to happen, doesn’t just happen overnight.

  • Burtonboy

    LeafsGuru We’ll probably see a lot more simple hockey trades where there is little if any cap relief for either team

  • Mind Bomb

    Yaknowwhat Mind Bomb OH very Nice Yak, thats a great vacation, allthough the next 4.5 hours might be slower than Smithson lol

  • Yaknowwhat

    LeafsGuru  Yep….and I don’t think that’s odd at all…many times teams are waiting on other minor trades to clear salary…or waiting to see how a player is going to perform or not perform…or of course dickering with the asking price….you may be ready to trade a guy….and then suddenly he gets hot and you no longer want to move him….or you have an injury and suddenly you need that player you had on the block or vice a versa….same goes with your trading partner…there is just so many variables…and once you consider the capsalary issues…the stars really need to align.

  • MaxwellHowe

    Not sure I agree with you, I beleive Nonis should have been more decisive.  Now there is a degree of speculation involved, in that respect you’re bang on, but the Leafs could have allowed any potential suitor to talk with these players in advance of finalizing a trade.
    Maybe there is noi market for Reimer, and it was certainly shocking (or telling) that Burke signed Hiller for $ 4million per year when he could have had Reimer for half that.  But if there was anything to be gotten in a trade, the Leafs should have jumped at it.  Personally, I think they should have traded him for anything and, if no one wanted him, declined to give him a qualifying.  There were decent backups the Leafs could have had for cheap.  And they should have kept Drew MacIntyre for insuance.
    I pretty much feel the same way about Franson.  Theres no question he could have been traded by now – and he is almost certainly going to be traded with right side Dmen like Phanuef, Robidas, POlak and Granberg on the roster.

  • Burtonboy

    Sorry Curt Morrison . I have eyes and I don’t need any stats to tell me Peter Holland was a dominant player in the AHL playoffs .

  • MaxwellHowe

    sometimes I think you have to cut bait.  Button is right to call this hoarding.  Its indecision IMO.  Now Nonis has to deal with the uncertainty of an arbitrators ruling.  Thoserulings could potentially make Franson and Reimer immovable

  • MaxwellHowe

    I saw him play twice for the Marlies during the season.  He was head and shoulders above everyone else on the ice.

  • Yaknowwhat

    MaxwellHowe  Again…you have no idea what offers were being made…so how can you say Nonis should of been “more decisive” or “jumped at it ” ?? Jump at what?? a garbage return?? and by the way it could actually be counter productive to allow teams to talk to the players….

    Are you actually saying he should of just let both players walk and get nothing in return? poor asset management doing that…again…..and sure you can trade anybody for a bag pucks….but that’s not good business….you try to maximize your return…and I am fully confident this is exactly what Nonis and Shanny are trying to do..

  • vinoa

    MaxwellHowe Caught a playoff game and Holland/Ashton line was dominant.

  • Yaknowwhat

    MaxwellHowe  Did you ever once consider that interested teams did not want to deal with salary uncertainty either? and thus offers were slim to nil?

  • Burtonboy

    MaxwellHowe Maybe just maybe all this so called Carlyle / Reimer feud is a figment of of the MSM’s imagination. Personally I think its all blown out of proportion

  • Yaknowwhat

    Burtonboy MaxwellHowe  Uhh….I don’t think they are on each others Christmas card list..

  • Burtonboy

    Yaknowwhat Burtonboy MaxwellHowe Because the MSM wants us to believe this stuff ?

  • Yaknowwhat

    Burtonboy Yaknowwhat MaxwellHowe  eye rolls…abrasive post game interviews..relegated to backup…requests a trade….I’m pretty sure Reimer doesn’t like Carlyle..

  • Burtonboy

    Yaknowwhat Burtonboy MaxwellHowe I’m sure they have had there moments but no one on either side has come out and said a trade has been requested. The MSM are the only ones saying that.

  • Mind Bomb

    Yaknowwhat Burtonboy MaxwellHowe I am certain he has reason to, Riems got shafted here,period. Wiki came in, and inserted his guy Bernier, Reims never stood a chance here, and wont in the Future

  • MaxwellHowe

    seemed to have chemistry with Leivo as well

  • MaxwellHowe

    again, the Leafs could allow that team to speak to either player and work out a deal beforehand

  • Yaknowwhat

    Mind Bomb Yaknowwhat Burtonboy MaxwellHowe  Bernier deal was on the table long before Wiki came in….and in all fairness….Bernier just out played Reimer…

  • Burtonboy

    Yaknowwhat Mind Bomb Burtonboy MaxwellHowe That’s it in a nutshell

  • Burtonboy

    MaxwellHowe Frattin -Holland – Ashton 4th line with the Leafs ? Gotta think that line could cause some real problems for a lot of teams

  • Yaknowwhat

    MaxwellHowe  What if Nonis has a trade in place based on getting the two players signed? And that’s just one scenario….the fact that Button and some fans criticize when they have absolutely no clue what is going on behind the scenes is a joke…Nonis is an experienced manager…..I guarantee he knows more about this situation than you , me and Button…so until we know the facts….its completely baseless to criticize him on this….

  • MaxwellHowe

    Management of anything is about avoiding undue risk.  And making a decision.  Indecision bothers me.  And unless Reimer is moved in the next week – I don;t think the Leafs have any real plan here, just wishful thinking

  • TuckerForPunishment

    Burtonboy Mind Bomb Me neither.  Except I’m coming from the opposite end of the spectrum.  But hey.  I too am gonna retire in NB someday.

  • MaxwellHowe

    Find it hard to imagine they have a trade in place without any idea of the eventual salaries involved.

  • Loric76

    Burtonboy MaxwellHowe I think either Frattin or Holland will be with Kadri on the 2nd line, and the other may be on the 3rd line somewhere

  • Mind Bomb

    Burtonboy Yaknowwhat Mind Bomb MaxwellHowe The decison was made before Bernier played a game with us, IMHO

  • MaxwellHowe

    I wonder where Clarkson fits in vis a vis Frattin.  If Frattin regains form, I would love to see Lupul Kadri Frattin as tghe 2nd line.
    And for the 4th:  Ashton – Holland Clarkson.  With real ice time.  I think Clarkson and Ashton play a similar game, and Holland is a good puck control against the boards player.  They may have complimentary styles.

  • MaxwellHowe

    either way, Reimer wants out

  • Burtonboy

    Loric76 Burtonboy MaxwellHowe Lots of possible line combination to think about now. Gonna be fun .  Jesus last yr was a forgone conclusion and there were so few options. Very frustrating at times

  • Mind Bomb

    MaxwellHowe Yep

  • Loric76

    Burtonboy Loric76 MaxwellHowe love how the underlying theme this year is about role flexibility.  We now have 6 capable centers, at least one that can play all three forward positions, and at least 5 that play both wings.

  • Yaknowwhat

    MaxwellHowe  see….I don’t see it that way at all…a decisive decision was made whether you realize it or not…they decided to go to arby with both players and revisit trade options after that….my guess is thatt offers for both players were very low…and perhaps some teams waited to see if they could scoop them for nothing (as per your idea). I would of been completely pissed if Nonis let both players walk for nothing…I think there is a plan….both players will eventually be traded…but the timing on the deal will depend on if and when they can get what they feel is a fair return….sometimes you have to be patient and wait for the right deal to come along…..its easy to make a rush trade with a shitty return…no skill in that…