Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

Weekend Mashup: $2.2 million apart

Updating on Elliot’s excellent piece about Monday’s arbitration case, word is the Maple Leafs and Cody Franson have submitted their initial proposals and are more than $2 million apart on salary.

Being $2.2 million apart probably isn’t outrageous as far as this nasty process goes, but it certainly sounds like a huge divide when the player’s desired contract figure is more than double that of the club.

Always a demeaning process, the Maple Leafs have anchored their offer as if Franson is worth the same as he was paid on his previous one-year deal, which Franson felt was a pittance last summer and set out to prove he could do what he did in the half-season over the full slog in 2013-14; he posted only 4 more points in 34 fewer games despite two more minutes of time on ice per game at even strength (along with very similar PP time). Franson has asked for Slava Voynov money; that obviously doesn’t jive in terms of age/potential and even strength production, which actually decreased from the shortened season to the full one for Franson (16 EVPts in 2012-13, 15 EVPts in 2013-14). A big part of that dip in 5v5 production is attributable to his 41.1% zone starts (versus 45.5% in 2012-13) against better competition as the Leafs looked to him as a second-pair guy at even strength, although these type of numbers aren’t used in arbitration hearings.

A half-way split would make it a reasonably attractive contract at $3.1 million per season, able to be moved for value if the Leafs go that route. The walkaway point is $3.5 million, but a figure south of $4 million seems unlikely to be walked away from.

It becomes a question of whether or not the Leafs think last season indicated he’s capable of handling top 4 minutes well or not, and if he’s a fit on the rejigged blueline. If they think he’s worth it and can play those minutes on a good team, pushing Phaneuf to the left side and lining up Robidas, Franson and Polak down the right is a distinct possibility. If not, the Leafs will be hoping this contract settlement comes in at a nice marketable price and will proceed to try to move him.

The Leafs have $11 million in cap space remaining with Franson, Jake Gardiner and James Reimer left to sign, but there’s probably a little more room than that given there’s 15 forwards currently on the cap chart.

This will be an interesting situation to follow early this week.

 

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ProfessorRance
ProfessorRance

Franson for Depres would be glorious for both sides. Get er done Nonis!

leafs2479
leafs2479

I say the Leafs should trade Franson to Buffalo for Gorges...........

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

Nonis should try to move Franson sooner rather then later . Ya have to wonder if the 1 yr contract and him being a pending UFA might have a effect on his value . Essentially he's a rental at the deadline and you rarely get fair value for a rental.

mcloki
mcloki

reporterchris
Cody Franson remains with the #leafs ... for now. One-year deal takes him to unrestricted free agency next summer.
2014-07-21, 9:54 AM


Even Reporter Chris thinks Cody is gone. LOL. 

Reether
Reether

I think it will be interesting to see what Gards gets in comparison. I wonder if they held off on signing him until this Franson deal was done so Franson couldn't use it as a comparison. 

TheGroobster
TheGroobster

FORWARDS

James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m) 

Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m) 

Leo Komarov ($2.950m) / Mike Santorelli ($1.500m) / Matt Frattin ($0.800m) 

Troy Bodie ($0.600m) / Peter Holland ($0.775m) / Carter Ashton ($0.851m) 

Trevor Smith ($0.550m) / Petri Kontiola ($1.100m) 

DEFENSEMEN

Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m) / Stephane Robidas ($3.000m) 

Jake Gardiner ($3.500m) / Cody Franson ($3.300m) 

Morgan Rielly ($0.894m) / Roman Polak ($2.750m) 

Petter Granberg ($0.800m) / 

GOALTENDERS

Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m) 

James Reimer ($2.500m) 

BUYOUTS

Tim Gleason ($0.833m) 

RETAINED SALARIES (0.29% of upper limit)

Carl Gunnarsson ($0.200m—6.35%) 

BONUS OVERAGE

$450,000

SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,103,000; BONUSES: $950,000

CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,897,000

Cameron19
Cameron19

So over 3 years we've paid Cody Franson 1.2M, 2.0M, and 3.3M. 

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If we had just given him a 3 year deal (shown some faith) for 6.5M coming off that bad year with Ron Wilson, he'd have a cap hit of 2.166M and we never would have created contract animosity with him.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

That contract shouldn't be too hard to move if they decide they want too. Next up Reimer and I have a feeling that gets done without arb as well 

ShiFty_D
ShiFty_D

@leafs2479 Gorges wouldn't be able to handle donning the Blue and White after wearing the Mighty Sabre logo and with our heated rivalry.....

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Burtonboy You always get good value for defenders at the deadline. Doug fucking Murray got two 2nd rounders as a pending UFA.

leafs2479
leafs2479

@Reether Gardiner gets $2.5 mill MAX on a bridge contract. Think Nazem Kadri. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Reether They held off because Gardiner decided not to use his arbitration rights and now the team can bully him into whatever contract they want.

LeafsGuru
LeafsGuru

@Cameron19  question is would he have signed, easy to say we should of but the guy seems like he over values himself

mcloki
mcloki

@Rielly_44 Do the Leafs need a bench warmer at around 3.2. Cause my ass will warm up that bench nicely. '-)

mcloki
mcloki

@Burtonboy No mention of Reimers demands. Part of me wants to see Reimer moved to another team. I think he deserves the chance to be great. 

LeafsGuru
LeafsGuru

@TheCanucksnaphook  playing on the bottom pairing he would be good so....


ph9- robidas

gardiner - polak

rielly- franson


currently

Cameron19
Cameron19

@TheCanucksnaphook Well, personally I feel Franson's production is solely because of the position he's put in on that top PP unit.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Rielly_44 @Cameron19 Well, I know it became super popular to think of Franson as some sort of greedy idiot, but the fact is, he's consistently been underpaid in the NHL compared to his peers, and the Leafs have consistently nickel and dimed him.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@LeafsGuru @Cameron19 He probably would have signed a deal like that at the time. Better a guaranteed 6.5M than a measly 1.2M one year deal. But then he came and put up 30 points in 48 games, so of course he started to value himself higher - who wouldn't?

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@mcloki @Burtonboy His best bet is to re-sign and compete like crazy to up his value . Freakin goalie market is strange. Not many jobs available for Reimer at the present time 

wendelsway1
wendelsway1

@LeafsGuru @TheCanucksnaphook Personally, I feel he brings anyone he plays with 5x5 down.....don't want to saddle either Gards or Rielly with him, Polak should be on the third pairing and Franson cannot play in our top 4.....IMO.....put him on a plane, Nono!

Savo43
Savo43

@Cameron19 @TheCanucksnaphook Solely is a bit of a stretch. He has a hell of a shot that creates goals off of rebounds, and he knows how to make the extra pass to the open man. He's not useless like many here describe him. Dude just had a bad year after no training camp. Just like Lucic before he broke out again. 

mcloki
mcloki

@Cameron19 @TheCanucksnaphook Who cares. @Cameron19 Franson is put into a position and he produces. We have to be a bit more Moneyball with Franson. Is his game perfect, No, Does he produce, Yes. So he therefore is an asset.  

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Burtonboy @Cameron19 I would prefer to move him now, but I think you actually get more for hm at the deadline. Teams are just desperate to bulk up on D at the deadline. Contenders usually prefer UFA's too, as it means no commitment.

mcloki
mcloki

@Rielly_44 @mcloki I'm sure there are a ton of guys willing to "Pull a Healy" and sit on the bench for a full year under contract. Great pay, and best seats in the house. Do nothing, Get paid. kind of like his HNIC job. Add nothing to the conversation, great seats, get paid.

mcloki
mcloki

@Burtonboy @mcloki Goalie market is strange though. Injuries really skew the market. I have no problem keeping James, I think he's a good goalie, with a stronger Defence in front of him. I think it might be the romantic in me that would love to see James play in Winnipeg, Home town boy does good story always gets me.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@mcloki @Cameron19 @TheCanucksnaphook Yes, but at the expense of other things. He contributes nothing to that PP unless Kessel and Phaneuf tee him up.  Phaneuf in that spot produced better year after year. Our PP is probably better with Rielly or Gardiner in Phaneuf's current spot, and Phaneuf in Franson's spot.

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Franson was also almost solely responsible for the gaffes that led to a crazy number of short-handed goals against.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@wendelsway1 @Cameron19 @Rielly_44 Well, a big part of it was that the Leafs put themselves in a position where they had no choice but to nickel and dime him. We were just scraping by under the cap, and getting cap penalties the last 2 years.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@LeafsGuru @Cameron19 Of course there's a point in talking about it. It's a lesson about how to avoid similar mistakes in the future. With some players, you're better off giving them a little leash and showing a little faith. I don't know about you, but I'll be pretty pissed if we just start this process over with Gardiner now. Because you know it will happen. As soon as Gardiner doesn't like the first stupid offer the Leafs give him, the fan base will turn on him and call him a greedy prick who overvalues himself. Then where are we with Gardiner in 2 years?

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

They could wait for training camp when some teams begin to panic about the shit on their blueline

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Burtonboy @Cameron19 Agreed.I'd like to get Oduya, and send Franson elsewhere.  A cap dump deal with Chicago, and send Franson to DET:

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Franson for Tatar

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Holzer + pick for Oduya


LeafsGuru
LeafsGuru

@Cameron19 @LeafsGuru  What I'm saying is we are discussing a point that we have no real info on? We don't know what management was thinking during the whole process of his contract negotiations. 

Was his car accident a factor for his health (which I had no idea he was in one till a couple of days ago)

was last year's deal small only due to a lowered cap year which every player in the NHL got squeezed, then a bad year brought the opportunity to low ball him since they are trading him anyway, so they don't really care.   


all info that we are not given  

LeafsGuru
LeafsGuru

@wendelsway1 @Burtonboy @Cameron19 I think Franson is moved by the end of the week if not sooner, they might have a deal on the table already, the other team was just waiting on the cap hit

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@MaxwellHowe Usually the most movement takes place after 20 games or so . By that time managers have been able to assess the team performance and make moves if needed 

LeafsGuru
LeafsGuru

@Cameron19 @LeafsGuru  predictable yes, but low balling a RFA is predictable in todays NHL it's not just the leafs that do this.