Thursday Morning Leafs Round Table – Free Agency Edition

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Chiarelli: Hey, Mike. Don’t look so worried. Schneider is probably an Andrew Raycroft anyways, right?

Gillis: F*** you, Peter.

Firstly, I just wanted to wish our American readers a safe and happy 4th of July.  For those of you who are unfamiliar with the date, it’s basically America’s Cinco de Mayo.

So, where to begin. I think the best way to describe what this off-season feels like is that nothing is happening while everything is happening. With the window of time allotted to negotiations winding down to its final 24 hours, the anticipation is deafening. It’s been four days since the draft and now that all involved have had some time to settle down and evaluate their portfolios, decisions will need to made on who stays, who goes, and who gets how much.

You almost gets the sense that despite the lack of trade activity, there is a bottle-neck of potential transactions just waiting to happen, all it needs is the right catalyst. Admittedly, some of the things we hoped that would happen eventually never came to fruition. For example, many of us were clamoring for Nonis to flex MLSE’s financial muscle and you can’t him for not trying. Lecavalier was one cap-circumventing move away from becoming a Maple Leaf.  The intention was there.

I know that most trade rumors, signings, extensions, and transactions have been debated and discussed ad nauseum. For this week’s Round Table, I thought I’d spare you the routine details and, instead, ask our writers some big-picture questions.

Grab some popcorn.

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Who were the biggest winners/losers at the Entry Draft?

“From the many mock drafts and prognosticators pre-draft, it has to be Buffalo.  I don’t know too much about the NHL draft because I stopped watching junior hockey, but everyone seems to agree that Buffalo absolutely killed at the draft.  They picked up four players I can name from reading prior to the draft, and several more I have read up on.  While all these players have their warts (what prospect doesn’t?), Buffalo seem to have aimed for upside and versatility.” –(@mORRganRielly)

“The biggest loser – to me – is a toss-up between the Canucks and the Oilers.  For the ‘Nucks, they offloaded a No. 1 goaltender in Cory Schneider to the New Jersey Devils for the 9th overall pick and proceeded to take Bo Horvat, passing over potential top-5 talent Valeri Nichushkin (the Dallas Stars selected him 10th overall).  Worse yet, GM Mike Gillis had the stones to lie to everyone saying that trading Schneider was always the plan.  This debacle continued Wednesday when reports surfaced suggesting that Schneider was traded for “off ice issues.”  While the goaltending fiasco rages on in Vancity, the Devils just solidified their nets for years.” –Michael Stephens (@MLHS_Mike)

“The biggest mind-boggle is Vancouver. Trading Cory Schneider for the 9th overall pick was just such a comically unexpected and strange move that it’s hard to fully process. This answer’s a bit unfair in that it uses a perspective bigger than “the draft,” but honestly, I just still can’t believe it. Listen – I’m from Rodney, I know Bo Horvat’s family, Bo Horvat is going to be a tremendously good player, and he was the best possible pick Vancouver could have made. I’m thrilled he went that high, and thrilled he’s staying in Canada. But the fact that Vancouver’s in the position to make that pick at all is just craziness.” –Matt Mistele (@TOTruculent)

“This might seem surprising, but I think one the biggest winner of this year’s draft are actually the LA Kings. Not having a first round pick, they made a bold and timely move, trading their 57th, 88th, and 96th picks to the Edmonton Oilers in exchange for the 37th overall selection which they used to draft forward Valentin Zykov. 18 year old Zykov is a left wing out of St. Petersburg, Russia. The 5-11, 209-pounder played for Baie-Comeau (QMJHL) this past season. In 67 regular season games he recorded 75 points — including 40 goals — a plus-29 rating and 60 penalty minutes and is, in my mind, good enough to have been selected in the first round.” –Mislav Jantoljak (@Xterratu)

What, in your mind, explains the general lack of activity on the trade front?

“As always, it’s that first shoe to drop. In my mind, there are fewer teams out there in need of a goaltender so when the Devils actually made their coup, acquiring Schneider from the Canucks, it never sparked the avalanche of trades because that domino wasn’t the right domino to fall. As always, when teams start signing the “cream of the buyout crop” and UFAs things will start to pick up.” –Mislav

“Uncertainty. New rules, adjusted process, new timeline. Managers waiting until the end to retain leverage and see how other situations shake out.” –Matt

“I think Nonis made it pretty clear from the outset: the reduction of the salary cap for next season is the largest impediment to trades.  There’s the same number of holes for each team to fill, but this is the first time since the implementation of the salary cap that it has gone down.  Even with the Maple Leafs sitting on $19 million in cap space, that number realistically becomes less than seven million dollars when accounting for RFA re-signing. It’s hard to swing a trade when both teams want young cheap roster players and are offering pricy veteran contracts.” –Michael

“Personally, I think it’s as simple as General Managers being unreasonable and trying to navigate both the current salary cap as well as next year’s cap when it likely goes up.  In addition, people are still gauging the free-agent market.  I think after the market has been set, you will start seeing more moves.  Right now, General Managers are just being cautious.” –(@mORRganRielly)

Realistically, do you think the Leafs should/will acquire any of the ‘popular’ UFAs this summer?

“I don’t think they should acquire any of the marquee names available, since this free agent cohort is thin and declining in potential as July 5th nears.  With the acquisition of David Bolland and the pending re-signing of Nazem Kadri, the Leafs have two capable top 6 centres and top capable bottom 6 centres, so Derek Roy and Stephen Weiss become irrelevant.  Hopefully the shrinking cap and numerous RFAs left to re-sign will price the Leafs out of the market for 2014 compliance buyout candidate and good Toronto boy David Clarkson.” –Michael

“Well, Nathan Horton immediately springs to mind. That’s the “should or I want” – provided that the amount overpaid (and he would be) is still below the insanity limit. Realistically though, I want the Leafs to go after Rob Scuderi and, to a lesser extent, Stephen Weiss. They could also try to sign a more affordable UFA winger and then trade certain assets for Stastny or maybe even go for Valtteri Filppula. Oh the humanity!” –Mislav

“Well, I hope not.  I think it was Chris Johnson who said that the free agent frenzy of July 1, 2008 was an embarrassment.  That year set the table, or at least guided the league, into a lockout; just look at this pathetic list: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=11353.  Commodore, Campbell, Hainsey, Orpik, Horcoff, Redden, Rolston, etc.  The list goes on.  It was just a brutal off-season.  If anything, that day was the precursor in which the fans could no longer trust their teams or the league to make coherent and responsible decisions.  This was just three years after the 2005 lockout.” –(@mORRganRielly)

“There’s a case to be made for signing or avoiding all of them. Let’s all be honest and admit that we want David Clarkson on this team, just absoluteley not at the dollars many are suggesting he’ll command. Probably the same situation with Horton, who apparently doesn’t even want to come here. It’s a pretty bad crop beyond that.” –Matt

Following the Bernier trade, will the Leafs acquire any more RFAs?

“If one fits a need and comes at the right price, maybe? At this point, I’d doubt it. RFAs tend to come with wickedly inflated price tags (I seem to be in the minority that think Bernier was a steal). I’m so anxious to see what Nonis does by this weekend that I’m sort of holding off on the prediction game.” –Matt

“If they do, it will be via trade.  You can bet bottom dollar that the Leafs won’t offer sheet any of the RFAs available.  Looking over the answers to the past three questions, it seems to me that the Leafs will mostly stand pat and hope for internal improvements as they compete for back-to-back playoff berths for the first time since 2004.” –Michael

“No.  I think the Leafs are going to play it safe at this point.  They aren’t a franchise ready to take the next step to contention, so I feel that this is another development year.  This year is much less important than recent years because we got to see what players can raise their game when it matters most.  Now, management is fine-tuning the system on the ice, down in the farm, and looking for ways to build on it.  In addition, we’ve already got several RFAs to sign – adding more without significant subtraction only further burdens the limited cap that we have.” –(@mORRganRielly)

“Not sure, am not willing to predict anything on that front because thing seem quite unpredictable, at least from where Nonis is sitting.” –Mislav

Any parting words for Mike Komisarek?

“As with any Leafs player, I’ll thank him for the time he spent in the blue and white, but looking into the future, considering all that had happened, I doubt I’ll remember him as Leafs player at the end of his hockey career. Good luck, Mike.” –Mislav

“Mike, by all accounts, was a tremendous person and teammate. I have no reason to personally dislike him, and from what I saw, his attitude was always a positive one – much to the benefit of those around him. Having said that, his professional tenure in Toronto was a complete disaster. He was paid a great deal of money to come here and do one thing very well, and was never able to do it to a level you could even call satisfactory. I have to believe more was going on behind the scenes than we were aware of. I wish him the best of luck, and hope he finds a role somewhere that suits everything he’s capable of bringing to the table.” –Matt

“I actually ran into Komisarek last summer in Toronto.  I didn’t speak to him, but I couldn’t help notice that he was smiling the entire time I caught a glimpse of him walking up and down Yonge.  Garret Sparks’ recent tweet about Komisarek should reaffirm what we all knew – Mike is a terrific teammate and an even better human being.  There’s always a future for those people who have compassion and empathy for others.  I wish him the best in his career.” –(@mORRganRielly)

“Thank you, Komi, for ruining people’s opinions of blonde dudes named Mike in the city of Toronto.  Our people many never overcome your actions.  But seriously, while your signing was an egregious error, you were a consummate professional throughout your tenure here.  You won’t be missed on the ice, but your philanthropic spirit will be.  Just do all of us in Toronto a favour and don’t have a career resurgence with a divisional rival.” –Michael

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Morning Links:

Fortune Magazine: Where did the hockey millions go? – Faceoff, Madoff.

Jason Botchford: Canucks shopping Edler despite NTCIs Gillis low-hanging fruit right now?

Elliott Friedman: Coyotes saga ends with team staying in Arizona – C’est dommage, mes amies…

Down Goes Brown: Free agency previewCheck out Vinny’s ‘Blue Steel’

Stumble Upon: NHL GM dartboardThis has to be from Holmgren’s front-office.

James Mirtle: Top unrestricted free agentsYour primer.

Backhand Shelf: The Quiet Room: Bergeron was a disaster I guess ‘disaster’ is the new ‘zombie’.

  • Armchair GM

    Clarkson + Stastny would be nice…

  • Uncle Otis

    Thanks for the draft mash-up Aaron and boys.
    Clarkson has been my boy all along, but if he’s truly thinking 6.5….enjoy Edmonton.
    Liked Cam’s inverted long term proposal the other night over 7 bringing his cap hit to 4.5..might work.
    Finally, that Gillis is a healthy looking specimen eh? lol

  • Bernier_The_Boats

    That Fortune Magazine link is an incredible story…

    • Uncle Otis

      Bernier_The_Boats 
      That was a wild read…what a tangled web Kenner wove.
      Clearly more to the story,but how in the hell did he escape fraud charges despite  misleading clients?
      Slam dunk to me…but something about laying down with dogs and fleas.

  • -Keon-

    Opinions are like assholes. Everybody’s got one and everyone thinks everyone else’s stinks.

  • Uncle Otis

    -Keon- 
    Roses :)

  • Uncle Otis

    -Keon- 
    Roses :)

  • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

    I had a dream last night that the Leafs made a huge trade today. I can’t remember the players but I can remember all the social medias went wild (positively) . Lets hope it’s true.

    • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

      -Keon- RielledUp Lets hope we go 2 for 2.

    • Uncle Otis

      @-Keon
      Sure you weren’t dick deep in sheep? 😉

      • Dink

        Uncle Otis hahaha

      • colino17

        Uncle Otis What a poet thou art

      • Uncle Otis

        I think Keon stayed up late watching Deliverance 😉
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVDN8yR3ig0

      • Uncle Otis

        -Keon- 
        That’s no fun :)
        #Gum-by

    • colino17

      -Keon- RielledUp Liles for -Keon- ‘s purty lass?

  • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

    I had a dream last night that the Leafs made a huge trade today. I can’t remember the players but I can remember all the social medias went wild (positively) . Lets hope it’s true.

  • Dink

    sign Scuderi and Ference and then look at possible trades later…I would be happy

  • Mind Bomb

    Good morning Folks !!!

    • Uncle Otis

      Mind Bomb 
      Morning MB..check out that Fortune link regarding NHL’ers getting swindled.
      Pretty twisty tale and the protagonist must have a friend in high places

      • Mind Bomb

        Uncle Otis Mind Bomb Morning O, I started reading that, But its a little involved for work so I banked it for latter, I can quick strike comments like this at work, but that article will take a bit lol

        • Uncle Otis

          Mind Bomb 
          Ya,it’s a coffee and a half read for sure
          FBI cleared him…pretty surprising as white collared crime is punished more harshly south of 49
          Something smells fishy to me.

      • Mind Bomb

        Uncle Otis Mind Bomb Morning O, I started reading that, But its a little involved for work so I banked it for latter, I can quick strike comments like this at work, but that article will take a bit lol

    • Uncle Otis

      Mind Bomb 
      Morning MB..check out that Fortune link regarding NHL’ers getting swindled.
      Pretty twisty tale and the protagonist must have a friend in high places

  • Dink

    Summer Agenda (as I would do it)
    Sign Scuderi and Ference (this leaves option for trading Gunnerson, Holtzer, etc. Blacker for forwards during summer)
    Get Kessell signed to an 8 year 60 million contract starting next season
    Get the RFA’s signed
    Sit back, have a cigar and pat yourself on the back.

  • MaxwellHowe

    A solid dman a la Scuderi or Ference should be priority 1.  Trading Grabovski and supressing the urge to sign Bozak, priority 2.  Trading Liles #3.  Then maybe sign Clarkson.
    Why all the clamoring for centres anyway?  Does anyone remember the 6 foot 5 first round centre named Joe?  Work on him.  Not sure why he is always dismissed in these discussions.

    • Dink

      MaxwellHowe once you shored up the defence and improved the goalies, all you have to worry about is about 2 forwards and you have some assets to do something about that.

    • JUICEYP

      MaxwellHowe they cant afford to lose grabo and bozak without picking up another C. Colborne isnt ready to take on a top 6 role for an 82 game season yet.

      • peterbleafs

        JUICEYP MaxwellHowe He is ready for 3C now, so thats where you play him.  1C Kadri, 2C Bolland.  Where is the problem? Kadri is better than Grabo, Bolland is better than Bozak.  Only question is what do we do when injury strikes us.  Well then McKegg comes up and takes on 3C duties.

        • colino17

          peterbleafs JUICEYP MaxwellHowe Is Bolland better than Bozak? That’s highly debatable. He’s better defensively maybe, but not likely as a top-sixer

        • JUICEYP

          peterbleafs JUICEYP MaxwellHowe I dont think he is ready for #3 center duties, i would play him on the the 3rd line wing and see where it goes from there. I think Bolland could be a better player then Bozak, he played 3rd/4th line with Chicago and still put up the same career high in points that Bozak did playing with Kessel and Lupul.

        • MaxwellHowe

          JUICEYP peterbleafs MaxwellHowe He played just fine in the few games he was given a chance.  The Leafs have gone from overexposing their youth to treating them like children.  New CBA requires a team with several players on their 1st and 2nd contracts.

        • JUICEYP

          MaxwellHowe JUICEYP peterbleafs right he played fine in the few games. He also played those games on the wing, im not comfortable at all having Colborne as the 3rd line center, I dont think Carlyle is either or he would have benched Grabo.

        • MaxwellHowe

          JUICEYP MaxwellHowe peterbleafs Carlyle is part of the problem.  Remember certain issues he had with Jake Gardiner?  How did Gardiner fare when given a chance?

        • MaxwellHowe

          JUICEYP MaxwellHowe peterbleafs Carlyle is part of the problem.  Remember certain issues he had with Jake Gardiner?  How did Gardiner fare when given a chance?

        • JUICEYP

          MaxwellHowe JUICEYP peterbleafs was that a problem? he came back better then ever. When he played a full season under Wilson he played terrible D but wilson could care less because he was scoring points, Carlyle is a D first coach, play both ends of the ice and you will play. Joe is still young, 23 i think, he will have a major role on this team as early as next season, but i woulndt just dump players hoping that he can take that role on, you can always trade or send down players mid season if he relishes a bigger role.

        • JUICEYP

          MaxwellHowe JUICEYP peterbleafs was that a problem? he came back better then ever. When he played a full season under Wilson he played terrible D but wilson could care less because he was scoring points, Carlyle is a D first coach, play both ends of the ice and you will play. Joe is still young, 23 i think, he will have a major role on this team as early as next season, but i woulndt just dump players hoping that he can take that role on, you can always trade or send down players mid season if he relishes a bigger role.

    • Mind Bomb

      MaxwellHowe  Morning Max, because we are not in a re-build, your suggesting Trading grabo and letting Bozie walk and Replacing those 2 with Colburne ?
      So Kadri, Bolland, Colburne, MCL ? well at least we would get a good pick next year, the Playoffs well……….

      • Uncle Otis

        @Mind Bomb
        Two players have to make large leaps for that scenario to be fruitful.
        Possible?
        Sure,but if it backfires,you have large holes to fill (too late)and the season’s in jeopardy.
        The other method means we have an overload at center and guys like Joe don’t grow.
        I’m unsure if its worth the roll of the dice too.

        • Mind Bomb

          Uncle Otis Aye Huge Gamble bro, And if we had say a Top notch Defense, and Large expirienced Wingers then we might be able to. With standings being so close these days, the line between making the Show, and ridicule is very close

      • MaxwellHowe

        Mind Bomb MaxwellHowe If Colborne were on another team, we would covet him.  I cannot understand the reluctance to give him a chance

        • Mind Bomb

          MaxwellHowe Mind Bomb I Know Max, I have in some scenarios Suggested Colburne as our 3rd in the Past. I guess I am on the Fence really. I wonder if he could play wing effectively

  • GeorgeCastanza

    1C – Kadri
    2C – Bolland
    3C – Bozak
    4C – McClement

    Just get it done!

    • colino17

      GeorgeCastanza Can we roll Bolland as a winger (think his FO stats are pretty low)
      1 – Kadri (w/ Kessel and JVR)

      2 – Bozak OR Grabo (w/ Lupul and Clarkson @ $4.5-5m)

      3 – Colbourne (getting the Kadri treatment) (w/ Bolland and Kulemin)

      4 – McClement (w/ Orr/MacLaren and D’Amigo)

      Gives a decently balanced lineup with a few guys (Bolland, MCL, Kulie, Colbourne) which can slide up and down the lineup

  • GeorgeCastanza

    1C – Kadri
    2C – Bolland
    3C – Bozak
    4C – McClement

    Just get it done!

  • Knights2Leafs

    I simply want to get through this summer without tying our hands capwise
    so as to restrict next year in signing Kessel and Phaneuf.I’m okay with Clarkson but just don’t see
    there being a match in terms of money and/or term.
    Last 3 years:
    Clarkson – 210 games, 57 g, 31 a, ppg average of .42
    MacArthur – 195 games, 49 g, 76 a,ppg average of .64
    Stalberg – 203 games, 43 g, 47 a, ppg average of .44
    Bickell – 197 games, 35 g, 49 a, ppg average of .43
    Malone – 146 games, 40 g, 54 a, ppg average of .64
    So if MacA is a 3rd liner at best how does Clarkson belong on
    the 2nd line and how can we justify paying him anything more than $4M per
    season.
    I get that Clarkson brings an element of size and physicality but not any
    more than Bickell and arguably less.Malone was supposed to bring the same toughness and Tampa has been
    trying to deal him for a while now.
    Not advocating Stalberg put simply putting him in there for context
    What stands out like a Luongo tweet is that while Clarkson is the highest
    goal scorer, he sorely lacks in the assists department.To me this indicates a player that lacks in
    playmaking skills which should be essential in your top 6.JMHO.

    • colino17

      Knights2Leafs Yeah Mac at 3.5 is a much better option than Clarkson at 6.5

      • colino17

        -Keon- Yeah, quite the deal huh?

      • colino17

        -Keon- Yeah, quite the deal huh?

    • colino17

      Knights2Leafs Yeah Mac at 3.5 is a much better option than Clarkson at 6.5

    • colino17

      Who was Clarkson’s setup guy? Or was he making those goals happen himself?

      • DWCMLHS

        colino17 Patrick Elias and Travis Zajac. Plus Kovalchuk and Zidlicky on the 1st PP unit.

        • colino17

          DWCMLHS colino17 So those rather unspectacular numbers are likely inflated just as we claim Bozak’s are?

        • colino17

          DWCMLHS colino17 So those rather unspectacular numbers are likely inflated just as we claim Bozak’s are?

    • colino17

      Who was Clarkson’s setup guy? Or was he making those goals happen himself?

    • MaxwellHowe

      -Keon- Yes

    • MaxwellHowe

      -Keon- Yes

    • Mind Bomb

      Knights2Leafs  Or Clarkson is opening Space in the corners and standing in front of the net, we would not be paying Clarkson 5 mil as a Sniper, its is overall game we would pay for though right >?

      • -Keon-

        And apparently only his on ice game. He wouldn’t be paid well for being a leader would he? Perish the thought

      • Mind Bomb

        -Keon-  Haha exactly Keon ! not that I like agreeing with you but when your right, your right lol

        :)

      • Mind Bomb

        -Keon-  Haha exactly Keon ! not that I like agreeing with you but when your right, your right lol

        :)

      • -Keon-

        You don’t like agreeing with me?
        Yells to wife, “hey honey, take the fucking Mind Bomb guy off the Christmas Card list will ya.”

    • Knights2Leafs

      -Keon- 
      Ya, comparing Clarkson to Vaive and Clarke as goal scorers now has me convinced.  Wow.

  • leafscapguru

    I think im done with the talks with trading or buying out grabo
    lupul kadri Kessel
    jvr grabo (Clarkson) Maybe if its worth the price
    colburne Bollan Kuli
    DiMagio McClement Orr
    Scuderi – Phanuf
    Gardiner _ frazer
    Franson – Frazer
    would like to see nonis do an offer sheet for http://capgeek.com/player/989or http://capgeek.com/player/23you lose a 1st and 3rd but worth it, if you land Gagner put grabo on wing

    • leafscapguru

      should of said Gardiner – gunner

    • leafscapguru

      should of said Gardiner – gunner

    • colino17

      leafscapguru Pietrangelo is exactly what we need…doubt STL lets him slip though

      • colino17

        leafscapguru What’s the price for Alex…gotta think it’s just below what Letang got….6.5 maybe?

        • leafscapguru

          colino17 leafscapguru
          but he’s young and good, lock him up long term, could be worth a 1st 2nd and 3rd.  would take those player 3-4 years to develop away

        • colino17

          leafscapguru colino17 Yeah I’m all for that…I’ve been pumping Pietrangelo’s tires since the WJCs

        • colino17

          leafscapguru colino17 Yeah I’m all for that…I’ve been pumping Pietrangelo’s tires since the WJCs

        • leafscapguru

          colino17 leafscapguru don’t know why people think offer sheets are a bad thing, NHL is a business. I know the company I work for doesn’t care about the competition if anything it screws them up. that’s the goal.  just unsure if it’s a deep draft next year.  which I don’t think so

      • colino17

        leafscapguru What’s the price for Alex…gotta think it’s just below what Letang got….6.5 maybe?

    • colino17

      leafscapguru Pietrangelo is exactly what we need…doubt STL lets him slip though

  • leafscapguru

    I think im done with the talks with trading or buying out grabo
    lupul kadri Kessel
    jvr grabo (Clarkson) Maybe if its worth the price
    colburne Bollan Kuli
    DiMagio McClement Orr
    Scuderi – Phanuf
    Gardiner _ frazer
    Franson – Frazer
    would like to see nonis do an offer sheet for http://capgeek.com/player/989or http://capgeek.com/player/23you lose a 1st and 3rd but worth it, if you land Gagner put grabo on wing

  • Bryan93

    Chris Stewart might be somebody to keep an eye on.  He seems to really have turned around his game the last 2 seasons. 18 goals last year.  A Toronto boy too

    • -Keon-

      Explain?

    • Cameron19

      -Keon- Going to arbitration.

    • Cameron19

      -Keon- Going to arbitration.

    • Cameron19

      -Keon- Going to arbitration.

    • hoolihan

      -Keon- Teams apparently can’t reject settlements of $3.5 million or less. Think he’ll get more than that?

    • Cameron19

      hoolihan -Keon- I think he’ll get 5 million.

    • Cameron19

      hoolihan -Keon- I think he’ll get 5 million.

    • hoolihan

      Cameron19 hoolihan -Keon- Seems high to me. That’s 1st-line money, and he’s not a 1st-line player … not yet anyway.

    • Cameron19

      hoolihan Cameron19 -Keon- Well, only 11 right wingers in the league scored more than he did, so he’s capable of first line production.  He also led his team in scoring.  He’s scored 28 goals on 2 separate occasions and was on pace for 31 this year.   Given the rarity of his size and fact that he fights as well, he will get close to 5 million, maybe more…

    • -Keon-

      Yes, I’m thinking 4ish

    • -Keon-

      Yes, I’m thinking 4ish

  • MaxwellHowe

    TheCanucksnaphook Phook, you’re relatively level headed.  Why no love or respect for Joe Colborne?

    • TheCanucksnaphook

      MaxwellHowe  Because People are after shiny new toys all of the time!!  Colborne is a solid body that controls the puck well down low.  He has above average on ice vision and would be an upgrade on Bozak if given the chance.

    • MaxwellHowe

      TheCanucksnaphook MaxwellHowe Everyone clamouring for centres and we have an excellent prospect sitting there, all for a low low price.

    • newkb

      No, I only want shiny and new…even if it handcuffs the Leafs for years to come and makes us worse…says MLHS.
      *ducks and runs for cover*

    • colino17

      MaxwellHowe TheCanucksnaphook Is Joe an RFA right now, or not until next year?

      • JUICEYP

        colino17 MaxwellHowe TheCanucksnaphook rfa now

      • colino17

        JUICEYP colino17 MaxwellHowe TheCanucksnaphook So we can resign him for a few on the cheap since he hasn’t really broken out yet

      • MaxwellHowe

        colino17 MaxwellHowe TheCanucksnaphook I believe he is a RFA.  A smart team would offer sheet him

      • JUICEYP

        colino17 JUICEYP MaxwellHowe TheCanucksnaphook Ya he will make maybe 1 mil

      • colino17

        MaxwellHowe colino17 TheCanucksnaphook No, only dumb teams like Philly offersheet people 😉

      • JUICEYP

        colino17 MaxwellHowe TheCanucksnaphook and he has only played 16 nhl games, he wont get an offer sheet, that Nonis wouldnt match

  • MaxwellHowe

    TheCanucksnaphook Phook, you’re relatively level headed.  Why no love or respect for Joe Colborne?

  • KurtWhite

    Please no Clarkson!

    • TheCanucksnaphook

      KurtWhite Wrong…..go back to bed.

    • GeorgeCastanza

      KurtWhite WHY??

      • colino17

        GeorgeCastanza KurtWhite 6.5 million reasons according to MSM

        • colino17

          -Keon- He hasn’t but the media is putting his value at 6 to 6.5m

        • GeorgeCastanza

          colino17 -Keon- Phuck the media.

        • -Keon-

          And the media always gets it right?
          He may, may get it, but why don’t we wait and see before passing judgement.

        • colino17

          -Keon- Not saying he will get that…just saying that if he does it shouldn’t be here…I’m all aboard for Clarkson at under $5m (preferably closer to 4)

        • McSlapper

          colino17 -Keon- max I would pay for him is 3.5m x 5 years. or 4m x 4 years. anything more, let someone else ruin their salary structure. anything more than that, and I’d rather have Mac for 3 years.

    • JUICEYP

      KurtWhite You will really enjoy watching Clarkson, hopefully its around the 5 years 22.5 mil range.

      • KurtWhite

        JUICEYP KurtWhite by far the most over rated player, I can guarantee we will be calling for the guys head if he signs for more then like 4 million by next off season when he is just another over paid 3rd liner

        • GeorgeCastanza

          KurtWhite JUICEYP stop listening to jersey fans.

        • GeorgeCastanza

          KurtWhite JUICEYP stop listening to jersey fans.

        • JUICEYP

          KurtWhite JUICEYP 4.5 per is not too much for him.

      • leafscapguru

        JUICEYP KurtWhite after what philly paid for lecav hopefully it brings guys to reality and realise that its a cap world now

    • JUICEYP

      KurtWhite You will really enjoy watching Clarkson, hopefully its around the 5 years 22.5 mil range.

  • KurtWhite

    Please no Clarkson!

  • 2minutes

    If Clarkson wants that kinda money and we sign him, it better not be more than 2 yrs… We will regret that contract real quick. People will scream for him to be moved and for Nonis to be crucified at maple leafs square.

  • 2minutes

    If Clarkson wants that kinda money and we sign him, it better not be more than 2 yrs… We will regret that contract real quick. People will scream for him to be moved and for Nonis to be crucified at maple leafs square.

  • Jay_Berg

    Really annoys me when people argue Clarksons value based on numbers alone. Clarkson is the type of guy who makes our team harder to play against. He is also a tough guy who can play and protect Kadri but still contribute offensively.
    He’s the type of guy who you can just picture becoming an absolute playoff stud. He’s the warrior type player we’ve been missing since Tucker/Roberts.
    That doesn’t mean we are reckless and give him whatever he wants. Still had to come at a cost and term we are comfortable with. But there is more to Clarkson then just stats alone so don’t start comparing him to the Mac’s of the world.

    • JUICEYP

      Jay_Berg exactly, every time the Leafs play Jersey he burns us

    • JUICEYP

      Jay_Berg exactly, every time the Leafs play Jersey he burns us

      • Cameron19

        JUICEYP Jay_Berg And then we burn Brodeur and win anyways.  We usually win or split the series with Jersey…

        • JUICEYP

          Cameron19 JUICEYP Jay_Berg so then they will sweep with Clarkson on the roster!!

        • MaxwellHowe

          Cameron19 JUICEYP Jay_Berg The point is we have seen how well he plays.  Leafs stole at least one game from NJ this year if I recall

        • MaxwellHowe

          Cameron19 JUICEYP Jay_Berg The point is we have seen how well he plays.  Leafs stole at least one game from NJ this year if I recall

        • MaxwellHowe

          Cameron19 JUICEYP Jay_Berg The point is we have seen how well he plays.  Leafs stole at least one game from NJ this year if I recall

        • Jay_Berg

          Lol.
          Point is Clarkson brings it when he plays in Toronto. So might as well take advantage of that

        • colino17

          Jay_Berg It’s not that we don’t want him…it’s just that we don’t want him at 6.5…pre-cap I would sign him to $10 m, but post-cap we can’t afford a $6.5 m player who only scores at a .42 pace

    • -Keon-

      No, no, no, hockey is only about points on the stat sheet.

    • leafscapguru

      Jay_Berg

  • Jay_Berg

    Really annoys me when people argue Clarksons value based on numbers alone. Clarkson is the type of guy who makes our team harder to play against. He is also a tough guy who can play and protect Kadri but still contribute offensively.
    He’s the type of guy who you can just picture becoming an absolute playoff stud. He’s the warrior type player we’ve been missing since Tucker/Roberts.
    That doesn’t mean we are reckless and give him whatever he wants. Still had to come at a cost and term we are comfortable with. But there is more to Clarkson then just stats alone so don’t start comparing him to the Mac’s of the world.

  • leafscapguru

    I like Clarkson but at that price he feels like Bozak (bye bye) get Jagar on a one year deal if your desperate for a winger

    • GeorgeCastanza

      leafscapguru no one has paid for him yet !

      • leafscapguru

        I realise that but if he wants that much its not worth it, That’s like signing Boland to a 7 mil contract for 4 years would you do it? He has grit! But he’s not worth it

        • GeorgeCastanza

          leafscapguru Stay positive until it’s it’s time not to. Nonis won’t sign him for that much.  Until then phuck the hypotheticals!  I want CLARKSON!!

        • GeorgeCastanza

          leafscapguru Stay positive until it’s it’s time not to. Nonis won’t sign him for that much.  Until then phuck the hypotheticals!  I want CLARKSON!!

        • leafscapguru

          GeorgeCastanza leafscapguru Lol i do to just want value for the dollar. I just want the leafs to sick to a young formula so that we have a team for years to come

        • GeorgeCastanza

          leafscapguru GeorgeCastanza No worries. Besides Frederick Gauthier will turn into a 6″6″ version of Claude Giroux !

        • colino17

          GeorgeCastanza leafscapguru Zdeno Giroux FTW or Claude Chara lol

        • colino17

          GeorgeCastanza leafscapguru Zdeno Giroux FTW or Claude Chara lol

      • leafscapguru

        I realise that but if he wants that much its not worth it, That’s like signing Boland to a 7 mil contract for 4 years would you do it? He has grit! But he’s not worth it

  • leafscapguru

    I like Clarkson but at that price he feels like Bozak (bye bye) get Jagar on a one year deal if your desperate for a winger

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    so clarkson, scuderi , ribeiro IT IS . that is all … done , book it ……..

    • Cameron19

      TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards So will Weiss.

      • colino17

        Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards so will most UFAs this year…pretty bad crop

      • leafscapguru

        Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards leafs need to get Gagne can play on second line and switch to first if Kardi can’t handle it. Grabo on wing = Done

      • TheCanucksnaphook

        colino17 Cameron19 unclejakescards Agreed.  Horrible.

      • colino17

        leafscapguru Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards Gagne as in Simon, or GagneR as in Sam? I’m assuming the latter, if so he would be a good pickup at the right price

      • colino17

        leafscapguru Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards Gagne as in Simon, or GagneR as in Sam? I’m assuming the latter, if so he would be a good pickup at the right price

      • leafscapguru

        colino17 leafscapguru Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards Sam

      • 2minutes

        This is one of the best crops in recent history with the compliance buyouts happening, Atleast more depth of players. Teams just don’t let big name players get to free agency. If they are that valuable, they are traded before their contract ends and they resign with that team. If not, they are locked up and never hit the market either. Can’t build your stars through FA… It’s for overpriced midrange players like Mac, Clarkson, Bozie, etc.

      • Cameron19

        2minutes How many over-priced mid-ranged players on the Hawks and Bruins this year?

      • colino17

        Cameron19 2minutes not many

      • Cameron19

        colino17 Cameron19 2minutes Chicago had zero. Boston had zero.

      • 2minutes

        Exactly… A deep team of value goes further than a team of top end overpaid guys…. *ahem* *Tampa Bay* …. Though a little defense and a goalie could do a lot for them.
        We need to steer clear. Sure FA can be good if u just need a piece or two to complete a cup run team if you have the cap space. But util we have another top dman and a big centre, we aren’t there. Only pick up guys who will be here when we are ready and won’t be a huge burden going forward.

    • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

      TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards not as bad as weis . id try for a 3 year deal , be fine ….. not losing any assets from trades that could turn out connollyesque …

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    if ribeiro could be had on a 3 year 5.5 mil deal , that would work just fine . hes better then weiss bozak grabbo …..

    • Cameron19

      TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards 

      Lupul – Kadri – Kessel
      J.V.R. – Colbo – Clarkson
      McC – Bolland – Kulemin

      Tough to trust Colborne with a role that big; gotta keep Grabo for depth purposes.

      • leafscapguru

        Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards so Grabo plays on the fourth line?

      • colino17

        leafscapguru Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards Colbo should be brought along like Kadri last year…sheltered third line minutes where he can learn D and chip in offense without facing top shutdown lines

      • colino17

        leafscapguru Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards Colbo should be brought along like Kadri last year…sheltered third line minutes where he can learn D and chip in offense without facing top shutdown lines

      • Cameron19

        leafscapguru Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards No, he plays 1st line, Kadri gets bumped to 2nd, and Colborne gets sheltered minutes where we can get him in, but the focus for the season would be finding a taker for Grabo and moving him up eventually.

      • MaxwellHowe

        Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards Keep em for 1 year, see how Joe C handles the ice time, trade or use the compliance buyout next summer on Grabo

      • colino17

        Cameron19 leafscapguru TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards BINGO!

      • colino17

        Cameron19 leafscapguru TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards BINGO!

      • leafscapguru

        MaxwellHowe Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards Grabo will be a great trade piece next year 5mil for 3 yrs with a higher cap no need to buy him out

      • MaxwellHowe

        Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards I like that lineup.  Are you into zero, one or two face punchers on the 4th line?  With Clarkson, I think McLaren is gone and Orr spends a lot of time in the pressbox.  Play a few kids there.  I’m good with that

      • MaxwellHowe

        Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards I like that lineup.  Are you into zero, one or two face punchers on the 4th line?  With Clarkson, I think McLaren is gone and Orr spends a lot of time in the pressbox.  Play a few kids there.  I’m good with that

      • colino17

        MaxwellHowe Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards One normally…none against weaker teams….two against the goons

    • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

      TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards im not a big ribeiro fan either , but , geez hes alot better than your makin him out to be …. and hes free .

  • colino17

    leafscapguru We should trade for Ovi and make him our first line RW AND our second line LW 😉

    • leafscapguru

      colino17 leafscapguru would save some cap space lol

    • leafscapguru

      colino17 leafscapguru would save some cap space lol

  • colino17

    leafscapguru We should trade for Ovi and make him our first line RW AND our second line LW 😉

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    the only reason i say to get clarkson , ribeiro scuderi is because the trade market still seems too hi . and theses assets are free . cap going up next year , they be tradeable ….before and during draft all were saying how steep prices were for players on the block .if prices are still hi for trades and the frenzy opens with a bang , grabbo and liles become great trade chips …….. more prospects please ….

    • Cameron19

      unclejakescards In order to get trade chips like that, you need to sign them to super short term deals – 1 or 2 years.  Dallas is doing a masterful job of this right now.  Scuderi is a good bet to be able to do that with, but Clarkson and Ribeiro are asking for significant term.

      • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

        Cameron19 unclejakescards then i probly out on ribeiro then ….. i see him as a very good short term fit ….

      • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

        Cameron19 unclejakescards then i probly out on ribeiro then ….. i see him as a very good short term fit ….

    • Cameron19

      unclejakescards In order to get trade chips like that, you need to sign them to super short term deals – 1 or 2 years.  Dallas is doing a masterful job of this right now.  Scuderi is a good bet to be able to do that with, but Clarkson and Ribeiro are asking for significant term.

    • leafscapguru

      unclejakescards i rather have Ribeiro wife much cheaper and not afraid to get into people faces, she be dangerous in the corners

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    the only reason i say to get clarkson , ribeiro scuderi is because the trade market still seems too hi . and theses assets are free . cap going up next year , they be tradeable ….before and during draft all were saying how steep prices were for players on the block .if prices are still hi for trades and the frenzy opens with a bang , grabbo and liles become great trade chips …….. more prospects please ….

  • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

    Ribeiro hates Montreal just as much as we do. He’d be a perfect fit haha.

    • 2minutes

      I said it before… Id rather puke in my own shows everyday for a month than sign Ribeiro.

      • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

        2minutes Do explain.

        • colino17

          RielledUp 2minutes Well his Twitching Bitch moment is kind of a turn off

        • 2minutes

          The guy is a total fuckface. Goes down quicker than a catholic girl on prom night.
          Kadri walks the line on diving right now… The last thing we need is to be known for it and pick up unnecessary penalties. Though my biggest concern is having to cheer for that little puke. I HATE HIS FACE

      • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

        2minutes Do explain.

    • Ze_theLeafsFan

      RielledUp he will prolly ask for much term. Beside we don’t really need him… we have a Kadri in him

  • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

    Ribeiro hates Montreal just as much as we do. He’d be a perfect fit haha.

  • Dudgee

    I’m blown away there is a pic of Gillis out there where he isn’t sweating.

  • 2minutes

    I’m sure it’s been discussed many times before, but how do we feel about making a deal for Edler. Puts up some points and is a big boy, while only 27 years old. I know he probably gets a lot playing PP time with the Sedins, but I feel our forwards are starting to be a real threat as well.

    • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

      2minutes price too hi , they just bought out ballard supposedly off the block

      • 2minutes

        What r they supposedly asking?

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          2minutes dont know, just that it was hi . wings made a substantial offer and were turned down .

  • 2minutes

    I’m sure it’s been discussed many times before, but how do we feel about making a deal for Edler. Puts up some points and is a big boy, while only 27 years old. I know he probably gets a lot playing PP time with the Sedins, but I feel our forwards are starting to be a real threat as well.

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun
    Toronto still in mix but Dal, StL, Cal, Ana and Det among teams that kicked tires on Bozak.. My sense is he’d do 5-yr deal or more

    • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

      Burtonboy i knew there would be , hes a very smart and versatile player …… hes just not selfish enough with the puck …

    • Mind Bomb

      Burtonboy  Morning BB, I wonder how many people still think he is only 3 million in UFA :)

      • Burtonboy

        Mind Bomb Burtonboy Just opinions. I don’t think he ‘s worth over 4 but you can be dammed sure he’s getting more then that

        • Mind Bomb

          Burtonboy Mind Bomb Aye bro, I agree 100 percent he is not worth over 4, but based on the market and comparable centers its likely 5 mil

        • Cameron19

          Burtonboy Mind Bomb Still don’t think you can be sure he’s getting a lot more than that. Every signing thus far has been less than expected. 

          I had a few people on here make me bets that Lecavalier would get at least 7 million for 4 years.

        • Mind Bomb

          Cameron19 Burtonboy Mind Bomb True Cam, I guess no one knows for sure, all we can do is quess really, and with Weiss, Roy etc on the market maybe that helps lower the costs.

        • Cameron19

          Mind Bomb Cameron19 Burtonboy It does.  

          Weiss
          Roy
          Ribeiro
          Bozak
          Filppula

          That’s a lot of quality 2nd line C’s.  And remember, most teams are even tighter pressed to either the cap or a budget than we are.

        • hoogy

          Mind Bomb Burtonboy If Lecavilier gets just over 4Mill a season, Bozak is at what Nonis said all along 3.5 to 4mill and my advice to Bozie!! take that contract, holy cow man 50x what the average Joe makes. What does it take to make you happy.

        • Mind Bomb

          Cameron19 Mind Bomb Burtonboy  Yep maybe I am wrong and he wont get 5 mil. I must admit I am real curios lol

        • Mind Bomb

          Cameron19 Mind Bomb Burtonboy  Yep maybe I am wrong and he wont get 5 mil. I must admit I am real curios lol

        • hoogy

          Cameron19 Mind Bomb Burtonboy In that we have cap space, I guess that would be Thank you Brian Burke!

        • hoogy

          Cameron19 Mind Bomb Burtonboy In that we have cap space, I guess that would be Thank you Brian Burke!

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          hoogy Cameron19 Mind Bomb Burtonboy not enough lol. The Army boy out was a bad move in high sight

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          hoogy Cameron19 Mind Bomb Burtonboy not enough lol. The Army boy out was a bad move in high sight

        • daniel marois

          Cameron19 Mind Bomb Burtonboy 
          Geez, with the cap it is going to be hard not to sign those guys for less than $5.5/yr. 
          I just wish we drafted in the past a highly skilled centre.  He would currently be on a cap friendly entry level contract.  Problem solved.

        • daniel marois

          Cameron19 Mind Bomb Burtonboy 
          Geez, with the cap it is going to be hard not to sign those guys for less than $5.5/yr. 
          I just wish we drafted in the past a highly skilled centre.  He would currently be on a cap friendly entry level contract.  Problem solved.

  • Cameron19

    https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrunhttps://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/352785477264343040
    Toronto still in mix but Dal, StL, Cal, Ana and Det among teams that kicked tires on Bozak.. My sense is he’d do 5-yr deal or more

    • colino17

      Cameron19 lots of love for Bozie

      • ConnorCrisp

        colino17 Cameron19 If i played on that line, I would look awesome too

      • ConnorCrisp

        colino17 Cameron19 If i played on that line, I would look awesome too

    • colino17

      Cameron19 lots of love for Bozie

    • leafscapguru

      Cameron19 let him walk

  • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

    Bozie would thrive on Detroit given his role… I would hate to see that.

    • 2minutes

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA with Detroit coming into the division, Bozak will hate his life playing against us all year. He knows he doesn’t want to do that.

      • 2minutes

        Oh shit Detroit isn’t in our division… My bad lol

        • leafscapguru

          2minutes Bozak would be best to go to the western conf. he see’s how Kessel gets harassed in Boston would be no different here

        • leafscapguru

          2minutes Bozak would be best to go to the western conf. he see’s how Kessel gets harassed in Boston would be no different here

  • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

    Bozie would thrive on Detroit given his role… I would hate to see that.

  • Cameron19

    https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrunhttps://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/352785665634738176
    I think Weiss would be No. 1 option for Detroit but Bozak in there as well.. Wings still talking to Fil as well…

  • Cameron19

    https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrunhttps://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/352785665634738176
    I think Weiss would be No. 1 option for Detroit but Bozak in there as well.. Wings still talking to Fil as well…

    • Cameron19

      Bozak would probably look nice behind Getzlaf in Anaheim, too.

      • Ze_theLeafsFan

        Cameron19 I for some reason think that Bozak will end up with the Canucks

      • ConnorCrisp

        Cameron19 He would look nice on our third line too!

        • Cameron19

          ConnorCrisp Cameron19 Not at 5 million he wouldn’t.

        • Cameron19

          ConnorCrisp Cameron19 Not at 5 million he wouldn’t.

        • Cameron19

          ConnorCrisp Cameron19 Not at 5 million he wouldn’t.

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          ConnorCrisp Cameron19 he will be paid too much for 3rd line tho

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          ConnorCrisp Cameron19 he will be paid too much for 3rd line tho

        • ConnorCrisp

          Cameron19 ConnorCrisp My gut tells me he wont get that much in the end. GM’s only need to look at the numbers of our first line a little closely to realize what he is.

      • Burtonboy

        Cameron19 My gut says he signs with TO but my gut sends me the wrong signals all the time lol

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          Burtonboy haha , me too , those dam jalapenos !!!

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          Burtonboy haha , me too , those dam jalapenos !!!

        • Burtonboy

          unclejakescards Burtonboy No the fuckin thing keeps saying I’m hungry . I need to lose a few pounds and it won’t cooperate lol

    • Cameron19

      Bozak would probably look nice behind Getzlaf in Anaheim, too.

  • Ze_theLeafsFan

    How old is Scuderi?

    • leafscapguru

      Ze_theLeafsFan old

  • Bryan93

    Could be a interesting weekend in St. Louis.  Have to sign both Stewart and Pietrangelo.  Pietrangelo is looking for at least 7 million.  Wonder if any team will throw a offer sheet his way

  • Bryan93

    Could be a interesting weekend in St. Louis.  Have to sign both Stewart and Pietrangelo.  Pietrangelo is looking for at least 7 million.  Wonder if any team will throw a offer sheet his way

    • leafscapguru

      Bryan93 not at 7mil that’s 4 1st I believe

    • leafscapguru

      Bryan93 not at 7mil that’s 4 1st I believe

  • mcloki

    Happy  4th of July to all our American Cousins. Blow up a small part of your state for us tonight in celebration.

  • mcloki

    Happy  4th of July to all our American Cousins. Blow up a small part of your state for us tonight in celebration.