Team Draft Rankings by Total Points (2005-2009)

Team Draft Rankings by Total Points (2005-2009)

After taking a look at the work of MLHS member “xxxnew” on ‘point production by round’ in the draft, a few of  you expressed an interest in seeing a chart on total points by drafted players for each team. FWIW, I put together the data in a couple of hours this afternoon.

Here’s how the teams stack up based on the five drafts between 2005-2009.

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Recent Stanley Cup winners Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh and Los Angeles are all right near the top. While Pittsburgh has a sizeable edge in points per pick (we all know why that is), Colorado leads the way in total points despite only three first round picks (Betwen Duchene, Statsny, Stewart, O’Rielly and Shattenkirk, drafting offence hasn’t been a problem).

A few quick caveats:

- This is obviously looking strictly at point production. A games played measure would yield some different results. If Detroit seems too low to you, for instance, consider that they drafted a goalie (McCollum) and two defencemen (Kindl, Smith) with their three first round picks and selected 19th, 29th and 30th in those three drafts.

- The asterisk next to the Habs’ top 5 pick is there because their fifth overall pick in 2005 was used on a goaltender, Carey Price.

 

The Leafsdraft team comes off looking decent here for a few reasons:

- Points per pick puts the Leafs in 9th.

- The 2006 entry draft was big for the Leafs as far as these rankings go. This was the first year Director of Amateur Scouting Dave Morrison took over his current role. Their 7 draftees have generated 405 cumulative points so far, which is third most for that year. The Leafs trail only Boston and Washington in this draft,  who both had top 5 picks which were used to select Kessel and Backstrom respectively. All 7 Leaf picks except Tyler Ruegsegger have played NHL games (other picks were Tlusty, Kulemin, Stalberg, Holzer, Komarov). Oh, and let’s not forget the Leafs also got James Reimer out of this draft, a great pick that wouldn’t show in the points besides a few assists.

- The Leafs are one of only 6 teams over these 5 drafts to use a first round pick on a goaltender (Tuukka Rask), which wouldn’t play favourably into their points total but was a very good selection nonetheless (insert obligatory JFJ curse). The other 5 teams to draft goaltenders in the first round between 2005-2009 were Montreal (Carey Price), Calgary (Leland Irving), Detroit (Thomas McCollum), Los Angeles (Jonathan Bernier), and the Tampa Bay Lightning (Riku Helenius).

- Of the Leafs’ 4 first round picks, one was used on a goaltender and their fifth overall was used on defensive defenceman Luke Schenn, so their standing looks pretty good considering. Gotta love that Brian Burke managed to flip Schenn for van Riemsdyk.

- There was only 4 first round draft picks available to the Leafs’ draft team to begin with, which is bottom ten in the league. If you remove the goalies, only Detroit had fewer first round picks.

Alec Brownscombe is the founder of MapleLeafsHotStove.com, where he has written daily about the Leafs since September of 2008. He was also the editor of the 2009-12 Maple Leafs Annuals. You can contact him at [email protected]
125 comments
LeafsNut7
LeafsNut7

Oh dear, 34 combined picks only gave calgary 124 pts for a whopping 3.4 NHL produced pts per pick. They should just forfeit the draft each year cause it seems like a futile exercise. Ouch

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

to CBJ - Kadri, Liles and Franson

to TOR - Ryan Johansen, Fedor Tyutin and Nick Foligno

well, i'd miss them and need time to process this...

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

Lupul-Kadri-Kessel

JVR-Bolland-Clarkson

McClemment-Bozak-Kulemin

McLaren-Colbourne-Orr

Lupul-Bozak-Kessel

JVR-Kadri-Kulemin

Colbourne-Bolland-Clarkson

McLaren-McClemment-Orr

JVR-Bozak-Kessel

Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson

McClemment-Bolland-Kulemin

McLaren-Colbourne-Orr

just getting Randy

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Thought I'd try another way of looking at the draft. I added up the points in each each spot in the first round from 2006-2011 just to see what the differences are. I left out the last couple of years because most players haven't played yet.

There are some oddities because I didn't bother taking out goalies or defencemen, just looked at which rounds have produced the most points. For instance, Phil skews the meagre 5th pick spot where several defencemen were taken, accounting for 379 of the 558 points.

One real oddity is the 22nd pick which has 616 points which is way more than the 14 rounds above. Just happens Eberle, Pacioetti and Giroux got drafted at 22nd.

It does seem to show how important the first overall pick is for points production.

Total points over six seasons by draft pick position.

1. 1141

2. 873

3. 815

4. 756

5. 558

6. 556

7. 712

8. 395

9. 401

10. 317

11. 143

12. 496

13. 213

14. 340

15. 171

16. 211

17. 79

18. 224

19. 54

20. 146

21. 30

22. 616

23. 37

24. 186

25. 214

26. 284

27. 148

28. 212

29. 26

30. 26

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

man summer is so boring when it comes to hockey and then i feel bad i dont come on this site as much b/c theres not much to talk about. lol

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

man i hope we get kadri guys signed up soon 

Bobsyouruncle
Bobsyouruncle

I expect more of the same from Carlyle this year. Kadri and Lupul used in a sheltered role when the coaches can get the match-ups. What about JVR? Stepped in and did a good job on the first line when Lupul was injured after 3 games, but stalled offensively for the last 20/22, after being very consistent in the first half. Can JVR maintain the consistency this year and approach 70 points if he stays with Phil and Bozak?   

Spayde_D
Spayde_D

MLHS - Every link posted is just looping back to this page. I'm not sure if everyone is experiencing it, but I know that several people are. It seems to be a problem with the Permalink settings behind the scenes. @Alec Brownscombe 

ShiftyD
ShiftyD

DROP THE PUCK. 

I'm worse than a kid waiting for Christmas :D

JWaterdrager
JWaterdrager

Anyone interested in the games played for the drafts from 2005-2009? 

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

Morning Folks, interesting article, thank you

 

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

well that's an article i haven't seen before.  that draft stuff looks like a lot of work and is interesting...could probably be broken down even more, but my head's not right at the moment for that, so i'll resort to pock lineups and trades now...

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

What will our defense look like in 2 yrs time ? Here's my guess . Whats your's ?

Gardiner - Phaneuf

Rielly - Grandberg

Ranger - Franson 




dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Xxxxxnew 

it's interesting, but i'm not sure what it tells me really.

i think it tells me i want to take my chances late in the first round, while enjoying deep playoff runs every year.

Leafs rule
Leafs rule

@Xxxxxnew Interesting ,Thank you xxxxx ,that #22 draft position is like magically good

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Black_Hawk 

not exactly the same thing, man.

there are plenty of other girls, but only one...

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

I don't know if I'd totally blame JVR, mainly because of the stat on MLHS earlier this year that showed Bozie didn't have even one primary assist on any of JVR's goals last year. Kind of odd, I thought.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Bobsyouruncle 

i say play JVR on a line with Bolland in a checking role or with Kadri on a 2nd offensive unit, where his goals are a bonus for us moreso than his primary contribution.  he'll get his points, but 70 is a lot to predict considering the amount of goals that have to be spread around...we have a lot of scorers, so they'll probably all get 22 this year, while Kessel gets 44 or 66.

let Lupul and Kessel work with each other until JVR proves he's a better playmaker, while JVR shows he's a under-appreciated defensive player.

Waiting4LSC
Waiting4LSC

Hey Alec: can you make it so that every link on PPP comes back to this page? :)

Waiting4LSC
Waiting4LSC

Wiski: what was Sparks about a little while ago where he was tweeting he was on his way back to Guelph?

Biltmore
Biltmore

@-Keon-

I remember reading a story years ago when Oates and Hull were playing together in St. Louis. A shift ended and the line was back on the bench. The other winger (can't remember who) didn't get a pass from Oates and said to Adam, "You know, I was open on that play..." 

Oates answered, "Yeah, I know."

Bring the Cup Home
Bring the Cup Home

@Burtonboy  

Rielly - Phaneuf

Gardiner - Franson

Grandberg - Fraser/Percy

That means we have traded Gunnar.  Wonder what we could get this trade deadline if we end up being able to bundle together Gunnar and Reimer due to Rielly's furthered development.  

 

theacs1966
theacs1966

@Burtonboy

                       Grandberg-Gardener

                         Reilly- Ranger/Franson

                         Percey- Gunner

                         Finn./Jonsson/or Blacker

Komas Taberle
Komas Taberle

@Burtonboy In 2 years I see the following

Gardiner Granberg

Rielly Franson

MacWilliam Finn

Percy

Phaneuf, Gunnerl traded for forwards and draft picks

VaiveOClockSomewhere
VaiveOClockSomewhere

@Burtonboy I'm not advocating it - but as a test, what if we take Phaneuf out of the picture. What potential lines do we have then.

Gardiner - Franson

Rielly - Granberg

Ranger - Blacker

I think we start looking a little soft without Dion.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Burtonboy 

if Gardiner-Phanuef can work, we're golden

i'll predict something more over the top instead, pairing players together who could bring out hte best in each other and who could slot into specific Carlyle rolls (as i see it)

Rielly-Franson (1st PP)

Gardiner-Percy (2nd PP, 2nd PK)

Gunnarsson-Granberg (1st PK)

Blacker (man of many talents slots in anywhere, as needed)

VaiveOClockSomewhere
VaiveOClockSomewhere

@Burtonboy I can't see Gardiner and Phaneuf as a pairing. They both need a steady stay at home type.

Gunnar - Phaneuf

Gards - Franson

Rielly - Granberg

Possible Ranger takes Gunnars place beside Phaneuf if he's that good - and only wants to play in Toronto.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Xxxxxnew

seems most teams don't screw up that top pick too often, which is good for them

once you get past the first few picks everyone has their own draft board, so someone has to be guessing wrong.

later in the first round, i assume teams will do one of three things:

1.  look to hit the home run (a guy who slipped due to injury or because he might stay in Russia who would otherwise be a high pick, for instance)

2.  take the "sure thing" (the TML way with Percy, Biggs, Gauthier type selections i mean)

3. just stick to your draft board, so if you're target is a guy you think you can take later on, trade down and take your chances

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Just shows how picks other than the top five or so in the first round can be like rolling the dice.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Xxxxxnew 

if you were replying to me, my take on JVR not being much of a playmaker was really just based on watching him.  we can see a lot from the couch, and when a player like Lupul sees the same thing it's expected and satisfying.  when a kid like Kadri does something we didn't even think of we're impressed and we stand up and cheer.

JVR seemed to miss a lot of options, perhaps choosing the safe play, but it seemed to me he just didn't see the play develop the way the good playmakers do.  he has hands, size, shot, skating...he can make a perfect pass when he thinks of it...so perhaps it just comes with experience.  but...some guys just don't have that instinct to make them special.

JVR, right now, is a straight-line guy to me.  like Kulemin kinda.  that's not a bad thing.  they can defend and make things happen with or without help often times.  and if you throw them out there with a playmaker or two it just gets better.

two guys on every line can make the line a dangerous scoring line...that third guy can be a number of things.  JVR is a bunch of them, just not a playmaker imo.

Bobsyouruncle
Bobsyouruncle

@dlb eh @Bobsyouruncle Been wondering about this. Last year we expected to see Lupul with Kessel together again and that's the way they started until Lupul's injury after 3 games. Seems like most of us now expect to see the lines more like they finished the season. But yeah, lots of room for experimentation. 

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

Lupul-Bozak-Kessel

JVR-Kadri-Kulemin

Colbourne/McClemment-Bolland-Clarkson

McLaren-Colbourne-McClemment-Orr

we all want to see the fiesty Kadri play with the Clarkson battering ram but i liked how Kuli played with him last year.  so let's see if Kadri can bring the scoring touch out of two big, fast, shooters who aren't known for their passing skills but can work the boards and get pucks out of danger.

meanwhile, Bolland can work with his hometown pal and the teach the big-bodied, highly-skilled Colbourne a thing or two or with Jay the King-pen of defense when it's that time of game where we're saving a win.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@VaiveOClockSomewhere @Burtonboy I would be surprised if Dion were moved but you just never know. We don't have anyone who does what he can do right now although some in Leafs management have been insinuating that Rielly will be a top all round D in the future. Can't remember which one of them said it but it came up in the interview series and he said Rielly was the best 2 way prospect we have at the moment . 

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@-Keon- 

i think the Leafs will be watching to see how Percy's physical game progresses.  if he doesn't show he can play more ruggedly then i think he'll be moved at some point.  however, if he shows he can play more on the edge without it affecting the rest of his game, he'll be a guy we plan to build with.

he's not Rielly or Gardiner offensively, so he'll have to bring everything they're not asked to since 4 of the 6 D need to block shots, hit, move pucks, play smart, and generally be difficult to play against.

in my experience, it's tough to teach a guy to be something he's not.  but if Franson can get meaner, perhaps Percy can too.  and when i've watched Percy, i've been impressed with how he moves pucks out of trouble, so i'll cross my fingers.

VaiveOClockSomewhere
VaiveOClockSomewhere

@dlb eh @Burtonboy So many potential D-lines going forward. There's still 3-4 players none of us have mentioned who could also steal a spot in 2 years (Fraser,Finn, Holzer, macwilliam)

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@VaiveOClockSomewhere @Burtonboy I actually think Phaneuf would be better off if he had a more creative partner beside him. IMO Phaneuf is not a PMD , much more of a 2 way defenseman and as he gets older expect him to become even more defensively conscious. Also someone as effective as Gardiner at moving the puck out of his own end will take the pressure off in his own end. 

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@VaiveOClockSomewhere @Burtonboy 

i think Gardiner is capable of playing fine defensively, he just needs to prove it now.  Phaneuf is as good as any defensively, and will benefit having a partner who doesn't feed him puck in his skates regularily.

VaiveOClockSomewhere
VaiveOClockSomewhere

@dlb eh @VaiveOClockSomewhere @Xxxxxnew Good points. I guess I'm also thinking how good Lups and Kadri looked together. Whereas I can't recall seeing any chemistry between Kadri and JVR. I'm sure we'll see the line combo's change throughout the season. 

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@VaiveOClockSomewhere @dlb eh @Xxxxxnew

i see Lupul doing that, where i see it from my couch and so does he at ice level. Kadri has that special playmaker ability.

i would like to see JVR begin to do what Kessel does more. draw defenders to him then dish off to guys (get thinking two steps ahead, not just one). Kessel has gotten better at it, and i don't see any reason to think JVR can't improve at making his linemates better either.

until he does...keep Lupul with Kessel until someone else works better imo.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@VaiveOClockSomewhere @dlb eh @Xxxxxnew 

i remember those as well.  that's the thing i meant, though.  he has the skill to feather the pass in there....when he sees it.  on a two on one it's a lot easier to spot that open man than with his back to the play while he's cycling the puck or working the boards.

VaiveOClockSomewhere
VaiveOClockSomewhere

@dlb eh @Xxxxxnew I only remember seeing JVR dish off perfect saucer's to Kessel on 2-on-1's, multiple times. I think JVR and Kess should be a lock together when healthy. Just my opinion. Regardless, it looks like Carlyle has a few good problems to sort out this year.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@Bobsyouruncle @dlb eh 

i think Lupul and Kadri were shuffled around the lineups looking to spark the others offensively.  Kessel seems to do well with anyone, JVR is one of those guys who kinda gets it done on his own and can become a lot better when he learns how to distribute the puck better.

Kadri and Lupul were magic together too.

coach is going to have fun if everyone's healthy, especially if someone new emerges in camp to make some noise.

Waiting4LSC
Waiting4LSC

BYU: thank you good sir. Ii remember reading the two tweets and feeling he was off of the Marlies (likely because of Gibson). I want Sparks to have Leaf success so was hoping there was nothing to the tweets.

theacs1966
theacs1966

@dlb eh @theacs1966 @Burtonboy Too many variables.  I want to see Gardener, Reilly, Percey,Grandberg, after that I don't know.  Will Finn Tear it up or regress, will Jonsson be ready in 2 yrs, will Blacker even be in the org, Phaneuf won't be, I don't think.  Plus I don't think Ranger plays anywhere else, so if there is a trade, Phaneuf/Gunnar/Blacker maybe even Reilly if its a big fish we go after, if say we lose Kessel.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@-Keon- 

i want to see Gunnar-Granny as a shutdown pair one day

i'd like to have both Rielly and Gardiner in the lineup

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@-Keon- Grandberg is a right d man so if he makes anyone expendable it would be on the right side where we really only have Franson and Phaneuf.

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@-Keon- 

i think it matters with the lineup i typed above though.

i can't see us playing Rielly, Gardiner, Franson and Percy with Gunnarsson and Granberg...unless they're a lot more physical collectively than they look to be

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@-Keon- Would he even sign a contract without it I wonder?  He seems hell bent on staying in Toronto.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@VaiveOClockSomewhere @dlb eh @Burtonboy Absolutely. I just threw that line up out there to try and get a convo going . One has to think there are going to be quite a few changes on that d in the next few yrs. Gunnar ,Franson ,Fraser and the like are going to have to play well to keep a place I think

VaiveOClockSomewhere
VaiveOClockSomewhere

@dlb eh @VaiveOClockSomewhere @Burtonboy I agree Phaneuf is good on D. And Gards could be good on D with some seasoning. But they both like to skate the puck up the ice with frequency, and play their game better when they know their partner stays back - giving them more opportunity to wheel n' deal