After taking a look at the work of MLHS member “xxxnew” on ‘point production by round’ in the draft, a few of you expressed an interest in seeing a chart on total points by drafted players for each team. FWIW, I put together the data in a couple of hours this afternoon.
Here’s how the teams stack up based on the five drafts between 2005-2009.
Recent Stanley Cup winners Chicago, Boston, Pittsburgh and Los Angeles are all right near the top. While Pittsburgh has a sizeable edge in points per pick (we all know why that is), Colorado leads the way in total points despite only three first round picks (Betwen Duchene, Statsny, Stewart, O’Rielly and Shattenkirk, drafting offence hasn’t been a problem).
A few quick caveats:
- This is obviously looking strictly at point production. A games played measure would yield some different results. If Detroit seems too low to you, for instance, consider that they drafted a goalie (McCollum) and two defencemen (Kindl, Smith) with their three first round picks and selected 19th, 29th and 30th in those three drafts.
- The asterisk next to the Habs’ top 5 pick is there because their fifth overall pick in 2005 was used on a goaltender, Carey Price.
The Leafs‘ draft team comes off looking decent here for a few reasons:
– Points per pick puts the Leafs in 9th.
– The 2006 entry draft was big for the Leafs as far as these rankings go. This was the first year Director of Amateur Scouting Dave Morrison took over his current role. Their 7 draftees have generated 405 cumulative points so far, which is third most for that year. The Leafs trail only Boston and Washington in this draft, who both had top 5 picks which were used to select Kessel and Backstrom respectively. All 7 Leaf picks except Tyler Ruegsegger have played NHL games (other picks were Tlusty, Kulemin, Stalberg, Holzer, Komarov). Oh, and let’s not forget the Leafs also got James Reimer out of this draft, a great pick that wouldn’t show in the points besides a few assists.
– The Leafs are one of only 6 teams over these 5 drafts to use a first round pick on a goaltender (Tuukka Rask), which wouldn’t play favourably into their points total but was a very good selection nonetheless (insert obligatory JFJ curse). The other 5 teams to draft goaltenders in the first round between 2005-2009 were Montreal (Carey Price), Calgary (Leland Irving), Detroit (Thomas McCollum), Los Angeles (Jonathan Bernier), and the Tampa Bay Lightning (Riku Helenius).
– Of the Leafs’ 4 first round picks, one was used on a goaltender and their fifth overall was used on defensive defenceman Luke Schenn, so their standing looks pretty good considering. Gotta love that Brian Burke managed to flip Schenn for van Riemsdyk.
– There was only 4 first round draft picks available to the Leafs’ draft team to begin with, which is bottom ten in the league. If you remove the goalies, only Detroit had fewer first round picks.
Oh dear, 34 combined picks only gave calgary 124 pts for a whopping 3.4 NHL produced pts per pick. They should just forfeit the draft each year cause it seems like a futile exercise. Ouch
Thought I'd try another way of looking at the draft. I added up the points in each each spot in the first round from 2006-2011 just to see what the differences are. I left out the last couple of years because most players haven't played yet.
There are some oddities because I didn't bother taking out goalies or defencemen, just looked at which rounds have produced the most points. For instance, Phil skews the meagre 5th pick spot where several defencemen were taken, accounting for 379 of the 558 points.
One real oddity is the 22nd pick which has 616 points which is way more than the 14 rounds above. Just happens Eberle, Pacioetti and Giroux got drafted at 22nd.
It does seem to show how important the first overall pick is for points production.
Total points over six seasons by draft pick position.
man summer is so boring when it comes to hockey and then i feel bad i dont come on this site as much b/c theres not much to talk about. lol
MLHS - Every link posted is just looping back to this page. I'm not sure if everyone is experiencing it, but I know that several people are. It seems to be a problem with the Permalink settings behind the scenes. @Alec Brownscombe
What will our defense look like in 2 yrs time ? Here's my guess . Whats your's ?
Gardiner - Phaneuf
Rielly - Grandberg
Ranger - Franson
I've noticed a lot of odds makers have the Bruins and Redwings on top of the Atlantic with the Leafs, Ottawa, and Montreal slotted just after. I still need to see how the changes made affect the Leafs...I really am not sure, although I like the fact we have Ranger on board and especially a healthy Gardiner. The addition of Clarkson gives our forwards some top line grit which should help.
But I also have to wonder if the Habs can repeat what they did last year...I think they have improved their team but they were terrible down the stretch and in the playoffs. That sends off warning bells about who they really are.
I think Ottawa will be right at the top with the Leafs and Bruins. They are a good team trending up.
The Redwings ranking surprises me. They are getting old in some spots.
The Bruins should be fine but if Chara starts to decline they will feel it.
In summary I wouldn't be surprised to see the Leafs and Ottawa at the top.
@Xxxxxnew good job very interesting !
@Xxxxxnew Interesting ,Thank you xxxxx ,that #22 draft position is like magically good
@dlb eh what
I don't know if I'd totally blame JVR, mainly because of the stat on MLHS earlier this year that showed Bozie didn't have even one primary assist on any of JVR's goals last year. Kind of odd, I thought.
Wiski: what was Sparks about a little while ago where he was tweeting he was on his way back to Guelph?
@Shift_Disturber1 Lmao ,U were bad ,u get nothin U Dink Lmaooooo,Okay maybe a centre then but thats it
I remember reading a story years ago when Oates and Hull were playing together in St. Louis. A shift ended and the line was back on the bench. The other winger (can't remember who) didn't get a pass from Oates and said to Adam, "You know, I was open on that play..."
Oates answered, "Yeah, I know."
Rielly - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Grandberg - Fraser/Percy
That means we have traded Gunnar. Wonder what we could get this trade deadline if we end up being able to bundle together Gunnar and Reimer due to Rielly's furthered development.
@Burtonboy Throw in a Fraser on the 2nd or third pairing ,Im happy lol
@Burtonboy In 2 years I see the following
Phaneuf, Gunnerl traded for forwards and draft picks
@Burtonboy I'm not advocating it - but as a test, what if we take Phaneuf out of the picture. What potential lines do we have then.
Gardiner - Franson
Rielly - Granberg
Ranger - Blacker
I think we start looking a little soft without Dion.
@Burtonboy I can't see Gardiner and Phaneuf as a pairing. They both need a steady stay at home type.
Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gards - Franson
Rielly - Granberg
Possible Ranger takes Gunnars place beside Phaneuf if he's that good - and only wants to play in Toronto.
@B_LeafIn summary I wouldn't be surprised to see the Leafs and Ottawa at the top. " Great Fraser gets Neil to turtle and the T O fans go crazey,cant wait to c that lol
@B_Leaf Senators may be formidable. And all with a self-imposed $55million cap. Many on this site underestimate that team. Spezza, Michaelak, Ryan, Karlsson, Phillips, Turris, Zibenijad, Anderson stay healthy, look the F out.
@VaiveOClockSomewhere @Burtonboy I would be surprised if Dion were moved but you just never know. We don't have anyone who does what he can do right now although some in Leafs management have been insinuating that Rielly will be a top all round D in the future. Can't remember which one of them said it but it came up in the interview series and he said Rielly was the best 2 way prospect we have at the moment .
@-Keon- He has a NTC right now
@VaiveOClockSomewhere @Burtonboy I actually think Phaneuf would be better off if he had a more creative partner beside him. IMO Phaneuf is not a PMD , much more of a 2 way defenseman and as he gets older expect him to become even more defensively conscious. Also someone as effective as Gardiner at moving the puck out of his own end will take the pressure off in his own end.
BYU: thank you good sir. Ii remember reading the two tweets and feeling he was off of the Marlies (likely because of Gibson). I want Sparks to have Leaf success so was hoping there was nothing to the tweets.
@dlb eh @theacs1966 @Burtonboy Too many variables. I want to see Gardener, Reilly, Percey,Grandberg, after that I don't know. Will Finn Tear it up or regress, will Jonsson be ready in 2 yrs, will Blacker even be in the org, Phaneuf won't be, I don't think. Plus I don't think Ranger plays anywhere else, so if there is a trade, Phaneuf/Gunnar/Blacker maybe even Reilly if its a big fish we go after, if say we lose Kessel.
@-Keon- Percy is a right d is he not ?
@-Keon- Grandberg is a right d man so if he makes anyone expendable it would be on the right side where we really only have Franson and Phaneuf.
@-Keon- Would he even sign a contract without it I wonder? He seems hell bent on staying in Toronto.
@VaiveOClockSomewhere @dlb eh @Burtonboy Absolutely. I just threw that line up out there to try and get a convo going . One has to think there are going to be quite a few changes on that d in the next few yrs. Gunnar ,Franson ,Fraser and the like are going to have to play well to keep a place I think
@Dink @MaxwellHowe @B_Leaf They better look the fuck out for Toronto,because you know everybody thinks the leafs suck always, all the time. None of our players are elite, all one-dimensional, can't play a full season, none of our young players will ever mature , no one ever gets better, no one ever learns, etc etc etc etc