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Leafs invite winger Mason Raymond to camp

A testament both to a sinking cap ceiling and a fall in the player’s stock, former 25 goal scorer in 2009-10 Mason Raymond went without a contract offer this summer (or at least, he went without one he was willing to sign). The GM who drafted him in the second round in 2005 (Nonis) has invited him to Leafs training camp on a Professional Tryout Agreement.

What we know Raymond can bring is speed, in spades. He’s an elite skater. I know this just from catching a few West Coast HNIC broadcasts and from playing the EA Sports NHL franchise for several years. He would certainly fit the speedy identity of the club if signed. Raymond has a nice wrist shot to go along with the speed, making him dangerous off the rush, but he has been criticized for going ice cold for extended spells and for drifting into long spells of perimeter play. Raymond has also admitted he’ll likely never be the player he once was after breaking his back in a brutal hit in the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals.

In his best season, ‘MayRay’ played with Ryan Kesler for his 25-goal 2009-10 campaign and the pair combined on a very effective second line for the Canucks. The left winger fell back into third line minutes (15 min/game) in the three seasons since, but has regularly received second unit powerplay time (2 minutes/game), where he scored 4 of his 10 goals last season.

Even knowing Raymond has the injury residuals and that he fell out of favour with Vancouver, it seems odd that a player with 10 goals in the shortened season, a 17-goal pace, and 22 points, a 39-point pace over a full season, would be unable to secure himself a one-year contract on the cheap for the upcoming year. Perhaps Raymond is choosing to take this route, rather than sign the perceived low ball offers coming his way, hoping to prove himself worthy of a one year deal earning him something closer to his expected pay range.

An interesting hypothetical to entertain is if Raymond were to really impress Leaf brass in camp. With limited cap space already plus Franson and Kadri hopefully soon to sign, can the Leafs even wedge him in if they wanted to?

The Leafs did lose some wing depth this off-season with MacArthur walking, Komarov returning to Russia and Frattin being traded. There’s no harm in a camp invite on its own (assuming it’s not a precursor to another move, and that Franson and Kadri are signed), so it seems like a worthwhile flyer to take.

Every Goal, 2012-13: Mason Raymond

Alec Brownscombe is the founder of MapleLeafsHotStove.com, where he has written daily about the Leafs since September of 2008. He was also the editor of the 2009-12 Maple Leafs Annuals. Contact him at [email protected]

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179 comments
Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

i dont like raymond when he played for the nucks but for a really cheap deal i might look at him 

JoeLeaf
JoeLeaf

Gotta hate Boston. Especially when they almost end the career of a kid like this....

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

Dregs just said on TSN radio that Raymond could be C and LW like Colborne and sign for 600k-$1m..

mcloki
mcloki

SO most important question. Which 5 rookies get an invite to camp.

my picks. Rielly, Percy, Leivo, Biggs, Raine, McWilliams.

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

This move has the added benefit (from the perspective of Nonis) of putting further pressure on Kadri and Franson to sign before camp - because if Raymond impresses, he will get a contract, and those 2 will be looking at an ever shrinking pot of $.

wendelsway1
wendelsway1

Good Morning Gents......nothing wrong with a little healthy competition.....Raymond still has to make the team.  Nothing wrong with another speedster on the team and added depth on the wing.,......if he's a fit and comes cheap.....if not, no harm, no foul as he won't make the team if he's not a fit.

Dan39
Dan39

How is Raymond any different than Matt Lombardi? 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

As I said before, I think if.. Big IF Raymond makes the team he will play role and prob be about as effective as Lombardi (speed.. 15G and 40 pts) but much cheaper... allowing us cap flexibility.  Other than Kule's one break out year, he has averaged scoring about 15 goals a game but is a $2.8m cap hit.  If Raymond is an effective PK and 3rd liner, it may spell the end of Kule here who could be packaged with Liles

LeafsForLife
LeafsForLife

I can see how Raymond could be beneficial but i think i would much rather have D'Amigo playing for the Leafs this year if he earns the spot. He has the speed and i think hes grittier. I like the idea of bringing in the young guys from the farm if theyre ready. It promotes the idea with the kids that if you earn it, you will play for the Leafs.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

MacWilliam's stock when up another notch in my eyes last night . Sending a message that you don't fuck with our goaltender or anyone else for that matter is huge in my books 

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

This from a Canuck's fan. The guy's a moderator over at HF.


"There's a lot to like about Mason Raymond. He's got terrific wheels, he's decent with the puck, he's solid in the shootout. He is also a savvy defensive player and a PK stalwart. For those wondering if he can play a third line, two-way role, the answer is a resounding yes. That is, in fact, where is he best suited.

The issue with Raymond in Vancouver has been expectations and consistency, especially since that 25-goal campaign. He will periodically have a game where he is a dominating presence and you wonder where the heck that came from. Those games are often book-ended by long stretches of being snake-bitten offensively.

Given that expectations were that he would be a consistent top-six scorer in Vancouver, this obviously drove a lot of our fans around the bend where he was concerned. But even when he wasn't scoring, he was a solid contributor on the PK. He can be a useful forward. I'd say on anything less than $2m/season, you guys are getting a very strong deal.

One other nitpick - he doesn't show particularly well in the playoffs. He has trouble fighting through the grit. He has had a couple of noteable performances in the past, but it's much like his regular season performance - one incredible playoff game, surrounded by games where he is very below average.

Anyway - I'm a fan who liked Raymond, but also knew that it was time for both he and the Canucks to move on. I hope he pans out in Toronto. I'll repeat that if he signs a deal for $2m/year or less and is cast in a third line role, you guys will be thrilled with him."


peterbleafs
peterbleafs

Never have been fond of Raymond, just another small waterbug that often ends up accomplishing nothing on the ice. However...last nights game.

Sad to say our rookies are not as good as Ottawas.  Ottawa consistently outplayed our guys and as the game went on they just took over, more and more.  They have a group of very high quality forwards with Pageau, Stone both playing excellently.  

Our D was weak I thought except for Percy who once again was very solid.  Our forwards all worked hard but all appear to be solid 3rd line quality guys.  It was just a rookie game but impressions are made there.  


Anyways, there are more things in life to be thinking about than rookie game performances.

Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs
Zeus_WilliamMapleLeafs

For me this stinks of a Kulemin trade to ease cap issues. Hes an UFA next year, good friend Grabos gone and stuck on the third line when no doubt he feels hes worth more doesnt bode well for a resigning here.

I can see Raymond given a chance, signed to a 2 year 1.25 per, Kulemin traded hopefully in a packet deal with Liles. With no retention of any wages. I think a team would jump at the chance to sign Kulie who would grace many a teams 2nd line and at 2.8million is a very reasonable option. Taking Liles as well is tough for them but the million + they save on Kulie cancels out the million plus in over payment for Liles. What would we get in return though? We have plenty of youngsters and I would be happy if it was for picks.

BUT I wouldnt mind a trade with an ex Leaf coach involving a 1st and Blacker for Yak. Can only dream.

I can see Kadri and Franson signed long term on good money as well.

Great Dane
Great Dane

Cox indicates that Raymond should sign for less than a million.

Nonis drafted Raymond, so I don't believe that he is playing games with him.

If MR can get back to 20 goals and complete the line with Bolland and Kulemin, the Leaf should be able to run 3 lines that can all score.

That plan doesn't sound too bad.



Komas Taberle
Komas Taberle

This guy has blazing speed and and under rated wrist shot, if his back is 100 % he could be a 20 goal scorer with Bolland and Kulemin providing a safety net, he is also an excellent penalty killer, his speed is scary.

Gilbey93
Gilbey93

He'd be great on the third line good move by nonis. He could be our Frattin/MacArthur. A guy who if need can move up and down the line up

theacs1966
theacs1966

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colino17
colino17

@CanuckUKinToronto Anything under 900k works because in effect it can't harm the cap. 

Either A) someone with a higher hit (ex: Kule) gets traded to make room, or B) he gets demoted and the hit doesn't stay

Dink
Dink

@mcloki Reilly, Ross, Percy, Finn and Leivo

mcloki
mcloki

@Mind Bomb morning Gents. MB. So this week it should all start to gel. Nice hearing nothing from either Kadri or Fransons camp all weekend. Maybe they are talking. Can't wait till Sunday.


Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Dan39 Cap space and its not costing anything to find out if he's worth a contract 

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@LeafsForLife D'Amico will get his chance he just has some more competition now. Its a win win . Jerry beats out Raymond then he deserves the spot. If he doesn't then that likely means Raymond played well.

Dan39
Dan39

@Burtonboy I'm watching them all on PVR so didn't get to the Ottawa game yet. 

However, against Pittsburgh, you gotta love the game that Devane played. Policing the ice all night. Dominated his fight after getting cut, showed good balance and patience although admittedly against a smaller guy. He raised my hopes for his upcoming season. Win.

Broll, on the other hand, who I was singing his praises all off-season, nearly got himself Duirzynskied. It was a larger foe than Devane took on and he does get style points for the bucket toss but he gave up a superior grip early and then got wild. Memories of Colton Orr. Loss.

Loric76
Loric76

@Burtonboy so an inconsistent smallish winger that can't handle a grind game...can't wait to see how this plays out with RC.

Loric76
Loric76

@peterbleafs Pageau, Stone, Lazar, Ceci...I'm missing one or two more I think.  With so many 1st in the past two seasons (I think 5?), they're pretty much stacked up front.  But here's the thing - all of their high end talent was playing last night, where we didn't have Rielly or Finn playing, Percy was barely played in the 3rd during the shitshow, and were relying on a goalie that's at the bottom of our depth chart.

All I'm staying is don't put too much stock into anything pre-season.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@peterbleafs  it was our D last night.. Look at those "rookies" on D.  Some of them are tryouts and it appears other than Percy (and Granberg once he adjusts to the ice size), none were in our view for making the team this or next year even .. hence those were the ones struggling esp that one guy

ProfessorRance
ProfessorRance

@Komas Taberle Just learning of this, my thoughts were the same. He would do an excellent job on a line with Kulemin and Bolland.

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@mcloki @Mind Bomb Also MC, your Bill played a good game, I was so Pulling for them to win, but you Knocked Brady around a lot and I liked that very much

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@mcloki @Mind Bomb  Aye man, I am encouraged by the silence on Franson and Kadri, and less than a week till Pre-season. 

GO LEAFS

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@-Keon- I can see Joe being packaged with Liles to clear some cap space. 

Dan39
Dan39

@Burtonboy @LeafsForLife And Jerry has exceptional skating as well and that with an extra 20 lbs of muscle he's hauling around.  

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Dan39 @Burtonboy He's better not go tossing the bucket in the NHL . That's a penalty this yr. I believe 

Komas Taberle
Komas Taberle

@ProfessorRance @Komas Taberle He would allow guys like D'Amigo and Ashton and even Colborne another year of development in the Marlies also which is what we need, slow cooking prospects.

Hope he signs cheap, and we get Kadri & Franson back in the fold and send Holzer & Smith down to Marlies.

So we have 6.6M to sign 3 guys and play with 22 guys.

Mason 900k and Kadri and Franson 2.6 each, that leaves 500k for emergency call ups.

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@Burtonboy @Mind Bomb @-Keon-  I really think the Leafs will not give up on Colburne this year.  Raymond is alright but me personally I would rather develop our own in Colburne on the 3rd line

Just me though

Dan39
Dan39

@Burtonboy @Dan39 Is that confirmed? That's a disgrace if it is. Will not prevent injuries - didn't Orr have his helmet on when he got conscussed, and Durzynski took that shot to the chin... Typical NHL rules making.