@SharkClubDundas Game Day: Game #76, Red Wings at Maple Leafs

2024

0 points out of 14 in the three-point era NHL is unconscionable, let alone at this time of the season. Even when the Sabres started the season with seven straight losses, they scraped a point out of OT. What is there to say at this point? Even despite all the talk about regression and questions surrounding the sustainability of their earlier success, this is beyond anything that can be easily explained. It’s a total collapse at a time when all the Leafs had to do was scrape out a handful of points to still be in decent shape. It’s ridiculous. It’s hard to imagine anyone feels worse than the players after the position they put themselves in through 67-68 games, but Wow. Wow.

The Leafs play the Red Wings back at home tonight. It’s now at a point where playoffs are unlikely, but what do the Leafs want to be remembered by? Obviously it will be for yet another collapse, but is it going to be 7 games, 8 games, 9 games? 10? What’s going to be the number?

The Leafs have to at least make this interesting rather than disappearing into the off season with their tail between their legs. A win over Detroit, combined with today’s earlier loss by Washington, at least keeps things interesting.

Nothing else is left to be said.

  • PeterZeroOne

    GO LEAFS GO!!!!!!

  • Xxxxxnew

    From TSN:
    Luke Schenn was there in 2012 when the Leafs collapsed and knows all too well how quickly the pressure rises in Toronto.
    “Lose a couple in a row and everything magnifies that much more,” he said. “You lose three in a row and people tend to get on you a little bit. All the fans and the media think that everything’s falling apart. That’s just the way it is over there.
    “It’s obviously a tough market to play in when things aren’t going the way you want them to, but it’s a great market when things are going well. There’s always adversity in Toronto. It’s never going to change. I’m sure those guys are going to get through it.”
    Reflecting back to the infamous 18-wheeler skid two years earlier, Schenn couldn’t put his finger on just what wrong.
    “There is no exact reason why. It’s probably a combination of different things. I’d have to go back and look. Obviously, you’re probably getting off to some tough starts in games. Special teams probably weren’t as good as they need to be. At the end of the day – when I was there – it probably just came down to being outcompeted some nights. Obviously, you lose a couple in a row, confidence isn’t always there. That’s just the way it goes. You’ve got to find ways to get out of it.”

  • gjdevlin

    First and foremost, I’m a huge member of the guilty party that drops colossal f bombs and part of me wishes I don’t do that but hey we gotta vent or in other words “vape on” as one member likes to say.

    Firings, trades, demotions – Carlye this Carlye that – Nonis what Nonis that – you can throw them all into the mix at this moment but right now we are on the back of this current 18 wheeler and we just have to ride it out until the season is over. Tonight, Carlye will be behind the bench and everyone will be on the ice. Tonight will take care of itself. The end of the season will take care of itself.

    Admittedly, they have pressed the reset button one too many times in the last few games.

    At this moment for the next seven to five games – the onus isn’t really on us or Carlye or the guys upstairs at this moment. It’s on the players. It’s UP to the players. Players need to play. Need to battle for the puck. Carlye did point out – and I agree 100% – it’s those one on one battles with the pucks that we are losing and he’s RIGHT. They can make a huge difference.

    No one in the Leafs locker room or anyone in Leaf’s Brass will ever see my following question nor will they ever acknowledge it. 
    The ONE simple question I would ask each Leaf player if I was in the dressing room before the game:

    “Do you want to play hockey tonight?”

  • Xxxxxnew

    We’ve only been outshot three times in the last seven losses.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Xxxxxnew  Fallen behind early in all of them

  • Pazzuzzu

    D’miggo call up good, but where is Holland in all of this? I remember when the injuries and suspensions all came down at once, and one of the most effective lines at the time was D’miggo/Clem/Kulie. I also remember Lupul/Holland/Clarkson getting good “O”zone time and some really good looks.
    RC has GOT to mix things up. I’d start with the above and I’d move Kadri on Bollands” right wing with Raymond on the left.
    The D is what it is. I really thinkya have to try and move Dion in the of season.I’d rather take Erhoff at 4-5 million longterm than be stuck with Dion at 7 million longterm, but thats another delemma.
    Anyhow, think RC gotto mix it up like i said above, start rolling 4 lines and let the chips fall where they may.

  • gjdevlin

    Pazzuzzu Why was D’miggo called up? I like the guy – gets dirty in corners and battles hard.

  • gjdevlin

    This twitter caught my attention:

    https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke: Simmons “I’ve learned that if Clarkson isn’t the least popular player in that Leafs room he is one of them”” hmmmm
    I’m not sure what it means – that Clarkson isn’t liked in the locker room?

  • TheCanucksnaphook

    gjdevlin  what the fuck is this?

  • Pazzuzzu

    gjdevlin Pazzuzzu Ya i like d’migo, he got good wheels and that line with him, Kulie and Clem seemed to have the puck in the offensive zone a lot.

  • Reversethecurse13

    gjdevlin  Fuck off Simmons, you scumbag, you hack, you piece!

  • 4evrblue

    Ryan O’Reilly just took his first penalty of the season

  • 4evrblue

    gjdevlin Heard this the other day. Surprising

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    Regarding firing Nonis, this is how it usually works. 
    — 
    Using Burke being fired, as an example, lets say Burke was to make (let’s say) $3 million this year and next season. Anything another team pays him is subtracted from that amount, although these things are always subject to negotiation. He will take a very nominal salary from the Ducks ($50,000) and the Leafs will continue to pay him the $3 million, minus $50,000. If another team hires him to be GM for, say, $1.5 million, he’d still get the remaining $1.5 million from the Leafs this year and next. 

    His contract means nothing. Just a vote of confidence that he’s hired.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    DeclanK  What about this “Noonis” fellow Wickie refers to…same deal? :)

  • Pazzuzzu

    I think Clarkson is being somewhat misused. Ya just gave the guy a long term big money contract so doesn’t it make sense to do all ya can to get the guy going so he can find his confidence? IMHO, he should be on the 2nd unit PP no matter what, ya know he’s goin straight for the front of the net and the guy can pot the garbage goals, we’ve all seen that in his time with NJ.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    ingy56 DeclanK  Same deal.

  • 4evrblue

    Pazzuzzu so you’d trade Dion and play Clarkson more?

  • Pazzuzzu

    4evrblue Pazzuzzu I’d trade em both but the deadline has come and gone :-)

  • Waiting4LSC

    Well I don’t know why I am watching tonight,
    I get the feeling the game won’t go right,
    I’m so scared in case they fall behind again,
    And I’m wondering how RC can lose the game,
    Clowns line up on the left,
    Jokers on the right,
    Stuck in the middle with RC.

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    4evrblue gjdevlin  
    Doesn’t surprise me.  Other players are pissed because he isn’t bringing much to the table yet he is being paid big bucks (on a long term deal).  It’s somewhat similar (imo) to what started happening in the Sabres dressing room after Pegula bought the team and brought in overpriced talent talent as UFA’s thereby completely fucking over any team chemistry that may have existed.  Players see that shit and they get jealous.

  • Reversethecurse13

    Pazzuzzu  I’ve been a proponent of having Clarkson on PP2 for some time. But that time has gone to Raymond, who likely won’t (or shouldn’t be back next year). Good asset management!
    I’m betting whoever the new coach is next year will give Clarkson more than the 53 minutes he’s seen this season on the PP.

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Bernier in tonight??  Personally, I’d put him on ice and play Mac instead but I guess that won’t happen.

  • 4evrblue

    Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 4evrbluegjdevlin I hear he is paying too much attention to his “other investments” whatever that means. I think those were the words that were used. Other players are seeing that and aren’t happy. In his situation he should be working relentlessly to get better and produce more but it doesn’t sound like thats the case

  • Pazzuzzu

    BTW, you all know the Leafs have less than 1 million in cap space, right? Doesn’t that alarm any of you? STL,ANA,SJS,LAK,NYR,CHI,BOS,PIT,etc.all had room to add or consider adding at the deadline. Why is it that the Leafs insist on overpaying for players,spooning with the cap, and stuggling to make a playoff appearance.That screams bad management to me.

  • Waiting4LSC

    Zoom zoom to tanking IMO

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    4evrblue Bon Scott was a Leaf fan gjdevlin  
    Other investments??

  • Waiting4LSC

    Hello Sir, welcome to the Disbelievers Club.

  • 4evrblue

    Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 4evrbluegjdevlinI’ll try to find the tweet

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Waiting4LSC  
    I’m not an advocate of Tank Nation, to be honest.  Besides, it’s a bit too late to tank and be worth it.

  • Yaknowwhat

    Of course none of what your saying woulc of mattered two weeks ago

  • 4evrblue

    https://twitter.com/bradyfan590

    https://twitter.com/bradyfan590/status/448784119892549632

    Doug MacLean just told us there will be serious discussions from the Leafs as to buying out David Clarkson this summer for cap relief.

  • Reversethecurse13

    4evrblue  3 days old. And rubbish.

  • Waiting4LSC

    Bon, you’ve stated often you are not.i just feel bringing in Mac is throwing in the towel. Thanks for being a good sport on my post.

  • TheCanucksnaphook

    Reversethecurse13 4evrblue  complete BULLSHIT.

  • Reversethecurse13

    Marlies. Best hockey in Toronto.

  • Yaknowwhat

    So rumour is nobody in the room likes Clarkson….that really wouldn’t surprise me…his contribution has been almost nil and he appears somewhat comfortable with it..

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Waiting4LSC  
    I threw in the towel after Reimer blew his wad.  Not expecting miracles now.  I’d play Mac simply to give him some exposure (same goes for the other kids…more the merrier).  To me that’s not tanking.  To me, that’s see what we’ve got in the cupboard.

  • Yaknowwhat

    Only way thats true is if his team mates can’t stand him…

  • Reversethecurse13

    Yaknowwhat The point is who cares “if no one on the team likes him.”

  • Xxxxxnew

    It was a Simmons story in the sun Wednesday
    http://www.torontosun.com/2014/03/26/maple-leafs-david-clarksons-brutal-season-befuddles-scouts

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    4evrblue  
    I don’t believe we’d buy him out this quickly.  Perhaps after next season if we can’t trade him (retaining half his salary).  Buying him out now would have very bad optics, imo.  Besides, Doug MacLean is a idiot (there is a reason he doesn’t run a team anymore).

  • Waiting4LSC

    Bon, agree with you. However, I believe we have to play Bernier as the uber competitive Thril, jake Rielly and some others bring their A game. We need to recognize their effort. Add some Marlies to positions like the third and fourth lines and bring in someone to replace Franson.

  • 4evrblue

    Yaknowwhat you’d be comfortable with it too if your boss kept saying you were doing fine. Philly can put Lecavalier on the 4th line but we have to play this guy more? Maybe he should be punished for poor play

  • Xxxxxnew

    Here’s the Sun’s Simmons story from Wednesday where the mysterious tweet got its information.
    http://www.torontosun.com/2014/03/26/maple-leafs-david-clarksons-brutal-season-befuddles-scouts

  • Yaknowwhat

    Well , I guess we could add that to the reasons why we wished we never signed him…lol

  • 4evrblue

    Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 4evrblue Yeah I don’t believe it either but I think they should at least look at whats out there trade wise

  • Yaknowwhat

    Sounds good to me..

  • leaffaninSK

    I wish people would quit with the firing of the coach or firing the GM…This is exactly what is wrong with this organization, media and the fans (I am included)…The media start talking about “an individual” who is preceived to be the problem, then the fans go nuts about that person (ie Paul Maurice, Burke, Wilson, Phaneuf, Carlyle and now Nonis).  I don’t care who the GM is today or the coach – THE PROBLEM IS THE TEAM – NOT PHANEUF or one player.  Our players do not compete as hard as other teams BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM GET A FREE PASS ON HOW THEY PLAY, it is that simple.  The players know that the fans will always side with the majority of the players versus coaches or management.  Until this organisation understand THAT THE PLAYERS HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE ON HOW THEY PLAY, we will be stuck where we have been for 40 years.  We have a coach tell a journalist that his goalie played “just okay” and the media and then the fans rush to protect the poor pysche of the player – what do you think that tells the other players in the dressing room???  If a professional athlete is THAT SENSITIVE then that shows why sports have gone to crap.  Give your head a shake – it doesn’t matter what system someone brings in – until the frickin players are held accountable on HOW THEY PLAY changing coaches isn’t going to improve anything…

  • 4evrblue

    Colorado just clinched a playoff spot