Poulin, Loiselle Fired as Assistant GMs; Leafs bring in Kyle Dubas

Poulin, Loiselle Fired as Assistant GMs; Leafs bring in Kyle Dubas

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In somewhat of a shocking development, Claude Loiselle and Dave Poulin have been fired as assistant GMs. Incoming is a 28 year old executive, Kyle Dubas, formerly General Manager of the Soo Greyhounds and a big proponent of advanced statistics.

The Maple Leafs have signaled a change in management direction under Brendan Shanahan, and it’s probably the closest thing resembling that culture change the Maple Leafs have been talking about in the past few months.

Dave Poulin was involved in a little bit of everything to do with the team as VP of Hockey Operations, as well as serving as GM of the Toronto Marlies since Dave Nonis was promoted to GM of the Maple Leafs after Brian Burke was fired.

Claude Loiselle handled the team’s cap management and negotiated contracts for the team since 2010. Last year, the Leafs took a tonne of flak for the way they used their compliance buyouts, for the structure of the David Clarkson contract (which is essentially buyout proof due to its absurdly signing bonus-laden structure), and for the loss of Joe Colborne after the Leafs needed to shed some cap in preseason. They were also charged with a bonus overage this season — something a bottom 10 team should never be doing — as they flirted with the upper limit all season.

Both are out, and a new, young (just 28), progressive thinker has been added to the fold in Kyle Dubas formerly of the Sault St. Marie Greyhounds.

Dubas is the right mix for a new-age hockey guy; he’s served as a scout, an agent and a GM and brings a fresh approach to a burgeoning analytics arena that has been gaining more and more steam in the hockey world. The outgoing staff (Farrish, Gordon, Cronin, Loiselle, Poulin) were laggards in regards to analytics and were regularly putting their foot in their mouths, saying things such as: shot counts don’t matter, using proprietary scoring chances to gauge who is controlling play, and using systems that were allowing the most shots against in the league and explaining that it was misleading.


Shanahan on Dubas: “He has a fresh approach that we feel will benefit our club for years to come.”

Here’s an excellent interview with Kyle Dubas at Canucks Army which is helpful in showing how he analyzes and assesses his players.

We’re excited about the addition of an up-and-coming hockey executive in Kyle,” said Nonis.

“He’s impressive, smart, devoted, dedicated,. He believed in advanced stats before it was popular to do so. He’s ambitious. And he sees the game well. Relates well to people. Understands that if want respect, show respect.” - Sherry Bassin

Dubas is a very young hockey executive and has just three years experience in management at the OHL level, so it’s perhaps stretching to say the Leafs have completely overhauled the management group, but it seems to rock the boat in a new direction. Dubas is a student of the modern game, was an advanced stats guy before advanced stats were really a thing, and will bring a different voice that challenges some of the old-school echo-chamber thinking that really emanated out of our interviews with the management team last summer.

While this caps off a promising, refreshing, intelligent off-season by Shanahan, the most interesting part of it — given the moves since — has been the decision to keep Randy Carlyle around despite so many of the subsequent moves — letting Bolland and McClement go, firing his assistants, talking about using four lines, bringing in an advanced stats-oriented GM to work on what was the worst possession system by the numbers in the NHL last season (and perhaps ever) — suggesting there’s no reason for him to come back. There must really be a feeling that Carlyle is prepared to embrace change or else he will be gone very early on.

This is a nice show of accountability in management and potentially a really astute addition to the staff.

“This announcement today is one that brings very mixed emotions for me. Certainly, I am excited by the massive opportunity that the Toronto Maple Leafs have afforded me. However, with that comes leaving a team and group of people that have an impact on me that is special that it is truly difficult to put into words. “One of the most important elements of this decision for me was the fact that the staff and group of players with the Greyhounds are just a fabulous team and will be able to carry on the current course in a seamless manner. I’m also very excited about working with the Board of Directors over the short-term future to properly transition the team.”  Kyle Dubas on his transition from the Soo Greyhounds to the Toronto Maple Leafs

260 comments
ingy56
ingy56

Weird they do the changes after Nonis claims the team is ready to go as is. 

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

There is something of a culture change going on with the Leafs.  Well under the cap.  Hire an assistant coach with a talent for working with young players (unlike the head coach).  Hire an assistant GM with an eye to advanced stats (unlike the GM). Fairly clear messages being sent

skiingallday
skiingallday

This just puts me in a great mood for the rest of the week. I'm really happy with Shanny, even if we don't see immediate results, I trust him now.

ShiftyD
ShiftyD

Not that I'm cheering for people being fired because it sucks but, this needed to be done imo

Reether
Reether

The press conference is at 1pm? 

Reimocerous
Reimocerous

@ingy56 Not as nice as the place he always had in our hearts.

Too soft?

Great Dane
Great Dane

@TheCanucksnaphook  Leafs need to do that. We still do not have enough talent and skill on the team.


With the centers that currently have there is no way that we will succeed next season: So fire Carlyle; trade more or less every non-core player. Draft Eichel or McDavid.

Then we suddenly look good for the future. With Bozak, Lupul, and maybe even Kadri gone. We have cap space to sign both Stamkos and Pk Subban.


JVR - Stamkos - Kessel

Brown  - McDavid  - Nylander

Komorov - Holland - Clarkson

Leivo  -   Gauthier  -  Ashton

Gardiner - Phaneuf

Reilly - Subban

Granberg - Finn

I dare to dream BIG

 

 

ingy56
ingy56

@TheCanucksnaphook I swear the downfall of the Argos as a vital Toronto sports team came after they won Grey Cups. They were the lovable losers for so long before, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

You get even sicker and more twisted deep down?  whoa

docmma
docmma

@ingy56 He also mentioned that there could be some cheap UFA's that they might look at... probably just trying to ice the Franson trade talks so he can get to work and possibly make a trade... if he so chose to.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@ingy56 He didn't say anything about management changes only players lol

docmma
docmma

@ingy56 He was speaking about players not management.. it is not his job to hire management...

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

Interesting Loiselle is not being kept to negotiate with Gardiner and Reimer

Reether
Reether

@Ze_theLeafsFan He's a senior advisor I believe. Which is basically a title for him is my guess more so than him directly contributing on a daily basis. 

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

Blue Jays win 2 world series and vanish...I see where you're going with this.  Toronto loves losers; if the Leafs actually won.........

Well then Harold Ballard and JFJ were freakin' geniuses!

ingy56
ingy56

@docmma @ingy56 Well I'm guessing Shanahan had an eye on making these changes for a while now. So perhaps Poulin and Loiselle were marginalized the last few months and kept out of key decisions. If so, why not do the change and let Dubas have input on the player movement? 

djamon
djamon

@Groundhogday He plays Santa at the staff Christmas parties. It's in his contract...

Reether
Reether

@TheCanucksnaphook @Mcost61 In all fairness I think they just want to be in a position to consider everything instead of being closed minded about new things. Also getting a guy to groom for the future who seems to be well regarded doesn't hurt either. 

Alec Brownscombe
Alec Brownscombe moderator

@loomx Just common sense stuff, but refreshing. Doesn't sound like he thinks he can moneyball the sport but he understands the value here.

docmma
docmma

@ingy56 @docmma Like I mentioned in another post.. I don't think Dubas will be the main guy, I believe he will run player development, coordinating with scouts, and possibly running the Marlies. Like Simmons stated there is still another shoe to fall. As for Poulin and louiselle, I think the draft and cap issues/salaries is why they both were let go.

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

explains why Rob Ford and Wynne were elected as well

docmma
docmma

@TheCanucksnaphook @Reether @Mcost61 By the looks of it Shanny likes to work from the bottom up. Draft, Address key coaching areas PP/etc, Bottom line-up players, Cap and Draft mentality AGM's... the way I see it he is working his way up to the top line players, the coach, and the GM.