Go Away Goalie Rumours! + Updates from Nonis

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Anybody who takes rumours at this time of year at face value is either new to hockey and the internet or still reading Hockeybuzz. I’m neither of those. These Jonathan Bernier to Toronto rumours seem like nonsense, and I don’t want to believe them. I really don’t.

Other bloggers have addressed this already, so I won’t retread the obvious. Jonathan Bernier to the Maple Leafs makes no sense. Why on Earth would the Leafs give up assets for him? James Reimer proved all he could possibly prove this season, and all of the underlying numbers indicate he’s on track for a career as a reliable number one, and a good one at that. Ben Scrivens was solid as a back up, and especially when taking the reigns after Reimer fell to injury. Scrivy made a big contribution to the Leafs’ eventual playoff berth when he took over the net last February and posted a 6-3 record with two shutouts. Jonathan Bernier, while a promising young goalie in the sense that he was drafted high and hasn’t got his crack at the starter’s role yet, has proven nothing. He’s played like 25 more games than Scrivens.

For the most part, the Bernier rumours strike me as bullshit. The Leafs are just the throw-in for the sake of retweets, page views, and all the reaction that comes with the Leafs being linked to a trade target. We’ve seen this all before.

But I can’t help but think back to the Miikka Kiprusoff rumours at the deadline. At first I wanted to dismiss them as laughable, page-view generating fiction. Then, they pretty much turned out to be true; Dave Nonis did request permission to Kiprusoff, he reportedly expressed an interest in extending his contract to play in Toronto (while widely reported, Nonis did not confirm that part), and Kiprusoff would have been a Leaf if he was willing to uproot his family and come to Toronto as opposed to his chosen path of retirement in Calgary.

I’m not going to blame Dave Nonis for the existence of the rumour mill that surrounds his team. We don’t know how true these Bernier rumours are. I try to rationalize that the idea behind Kiprusoff was the experience angle, given the Leafs were headed toward the playoffs. But I do wonder if we’re hearing the same garbage (if that’s all it is) about the Leafs and Bernier if Nonis doesn’t show an active interest in Mikka Kiprusoff and instead gives Reimer the clear vote of confidence he deserved last trade deadline. More worryingly, I also wonder if these Bernier rumours might have something to them. While Tim Lieweke refreshingly heaped praise on Reimer a few weeks back, we haven’t heard Dave Nonis or someone in the front office call Reimer “the” guy. Maybe this is a symptom of the change in managerial tone away from the ‘Burkian’ outspokenness, and evidence of the more conservative Dave Nonis showing a hesitance toward applying the “anointing oil” to the young goalie.

That could be all it is, and these rumours could be just that – silly old late June rumours involving the Toronto Maple Leafs. Probably, hopefully, that’s all it is. But I can’t say Nonis’ past actions or words have alleviated all of my concerns.

Anyway, just my .02.

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A few updates from Dave Nonis today after the GM meetings:

 

 

 

UPDATE: Jonathan Bernier Traded To Leafs

  • lukethenuke

    first

    • Pent_House

      lukethenuke You deserve the dislike button

  • Black_Hawk

    no thxs to bernier

  • mapleleafmuse

    second?

  • Biltmore

    I can only say I trust the Leafs brain trust know what they’re doing because they have so much more information and they do this for a living. But you know…. don’t f*ck it up.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

    Thank you for saying this. It’s crazy we’re even talking about it, partly Nonis’ fault that, but  Reimer is our guy.

    Focus on the real issues Nonis. Upgrade the D.

  • Burtonboy

    If Nonis is seriously considering this move we may have a problem Houston.

    • rustynail

      Burtonboy I won’t be on the fence anymore if that is the case

      • Burtonboy

        rustynail Burtonboy Also looks to me like he’s stalling bigtime . Must be waiting to see whats available through trades or buyouts before signing any players to contracts

    • rustynail

      Burtonboy I won’t be on the fence anymore if that is the case

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      Burtonboy We had a problem when Nonis was so in pursuit of  Kiprusoff.
      Insanity!

    • mcloki

      Burtonboy at this time of year GM’s have to “Always be available  Everything should be possible so people are willing to talk. Part of the coded language GM’s need to use.

  • Knights2Leafs

    “Distinct possibility” Nonis will use a compliance buyout.  Duh.  Good digging there Chris Johnston.
    How about a 99.9999 % certainty.  Or higher.

    • rustynail

      Knights2Leafs know anything about a rumour on here this morning that Naz is concerned he is being traded?

      • Knights2Leafs

        rustynail
        Yikes – first time on here since before 8:00 a.m., but I haven’t heard the faintest notion of any such thing.  Was it in the last thread?

        • rustynail

          Knights2Leafs rustynail yup some second hand thingee early on

        • Knights2Leafs

          rustynail
          Just went back and read the comments from Mindbomb.  Interesting.  I’ve got a new item at the top of my to do list first thing tomorrow.

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    I wonder if Leiwiki has completed his bid to get Ronaldo to play for TFC….ohh…..and no to Bernier

    • Xxxxxnew

      Toronto Fried Chicken?

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        Xxxxxnew mmmm that sounds great

  • Jay_Berg

    If the leafs are seriously thinking about this then management as a whole must see something wrong with Reimer that obviously we are not seeing. Maybe they feel his stats are inflated somehow. Maybe they hate his rebound control. Maybe his glove is too shit. Maybe they don’t think he can stay healthy. I have no idea
    But simply due to the fact that nobody on the leafs has come out and said “REIMER IS OUR GUY” then I can’t help but think there has to be truth to these rumours unfortunately.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      Jay_Berg QFT

    • Cameron19

      Jay_Berg Nonis did come out and say that, numerous times.  He even clarified that any interest in Kiprusoff was purely as an injury fill-in, back-up goalie for playoff experience – not to dethrone James Reimer. If they want Bernier, it’s more likely because of Scrivens.

      I think we all really need to stop jumping to these conclusions about Reimer, and organization beliefs in him.  Huge leaps in logic, in my opinion.  Bernier has played like 50 games over 4 years in the league – even if we are pursuing him, it’s not because he’s a starter.

      • Jay_Berg

        Yes but everyone knew kipper wasn’t going to be a long term solution.
        You can’t tell me that if the Leafs give up Frattin + high pick or prospect that Bernier would be a backup getting minimal playing time. No he’d get a chance to split at the very least.

      • Jay_Berg

        Yes but everyone knew kipper wasn’t going to be a long term solution.
        You can’t tell me that if the Leafs give up Frattin + high pick or prospect that Bernier would be a backup getting minimal playing time. No he’d get a chance to split at the very least.

        • Cameron19

          Jay_Berg Just remember that no one of any significance, or from the Leafs’ has actually said the team has any interest at all.  So why are you assuming things like “the organization doesn’t trust Reimer”?  This whole line of thought is based on a comment from the brainless wonder, Kypreos, saying the Leafs MIGHT be interested because Lieweke.  That is literally the cause of this entire fiasco, and yet it’s being treated by many as if it’s actually got a shred of credibility.

        • Jay_Berg

          I never argued whether the leafs should or shouldn’t get Bernier. All I said is that if they did we would have to give up something significant and that would mean he wouldn’t be a backup. Relax

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

        Cameron19 Jay_Berg Bernier won’t come here to replace Scrivens

        Besides the point . Reading between the lines I’d say Nonis is still looking to upgrade at goal, and not just for a vet backup. 
        I think you’re overselling Nonis’ words for Reimer… he basically said they’re looking to upgrade at the position at the deadline. You could see in Reimer’s interview it was awkward for him knowing management hadn’t really cleared the air of a goaltending controversy.

        • Cameron19

          @Clark17 Cameron19 Jay_Berg No, that’s not what he said at all.

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Cameron19 Jay_Berg My difficulty comes in trying to rationalize the Kiprusoff interest. It was stupid as hell and sent the wrong message.

  • Loric76

    Kipper made sense at the deadline, we weren’t sure how Reimer or Scrivens would handle the playoffs, and if one got hurt we didn’t have a third that could play in the NHL.  Now Reimer has proven himself (and then some), and MacIntyre’s been signed to a 2-way contract.  Besides, as has been stated, Bernier is no Kipper – one has experience to share, the other does not.

    Even if it’s Bernier for Scrivens (maybe they’re not so hot on Scrivens and want to create a 1A 1B setup?), is it really worth the assets with Sparks around the corner?

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      Loric76 Short answer is no

      • Loric76

        @Clark17 Loric76 Long answer “no fucking way”?  lol

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

          Loric76 Also don’t think Kiprusoff made any sense at the deadline.

    • Pent_House

      Loric76 Really depends what the assets are.