Straight Talk

by on November 19, 2012 in Morning Mashup - 89 Comments

Straight Talk
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So we had three Marlies game this weekend, two televised Morgan Rielly Super Series games heading into the weekend and a Biggs multi-goal game as well. By midday Monday I’m sure all the talk will have shifted back to the CBA and the potential for talks.

There was some brief optimism after it was reported that Ed Snider might be distancing himself from the owner’s stance.

“Behind the scenes, there seems to be a seismic shift going on among the NHL’s Board of Governors, also known as the group that Bettman answers to collectively.
And Flyers chairman Ed Snider may be the big mover-and-shaker behind it all.
Multiple sources confirmed to the Daily News on Friday that Snider, once seen as a supporter of the Bettman’s push to rein in the players’ share of revenue, has soured on the process after it became apparent that a deal would not be brokered in time for a Dec. 1 puck drop.
Put simply: Snider and the rest of the NHL’s owners were promised a big win by Bettman, with player concessions on revenue division and contracting rights. The best they’ll get now is a small win in revenue split – coupled with a demoralized fan base and all-important corporate sponsors that are ready to quit.
A source familiar with Snider’s thinking characterized it as: “If this is the deal we are going to get, what’s the point of dragging this out?”

Darren Dreger then added some comments from Bill Daly to encourage the fact that the owners are willing to look for a deal.

“But we told them that we are open to discussing other ways to address those issues if they want to propose any,” continued Daly. “In fact, we used the exact example of “if we need five and we have proposed 3+2 to get there, that we are happy to listening to and considering 4+1 instead. I’m not sure why they chose to characterize the way they did. As I’ve said before, I can only control what we say.”

My thoughts on all of this is simple: Who Cares. The talk is cheap and very little has been done in the way of concessions on either side. It’s probably best to just enjoy what we have.

The Marlies will hopefully keep on keepin’ on, and Morgan Rielly will be featured in Sportsnet’s Friday Night, and we’re finally nearing the point in the season where we can start debating the Canadian World Junior Team roster.

It may not be the NHL, but it’s better than nothing. And it’s still better than pretending to care about the Argos.

Monday Morning Links…

Leaf Related Thoughts on the Super Series
Our good friend Blue Chip Prospects (Curt) takes a look at Morgan Rielly and others and how they’ll eventually save the Leafs franchise.

Marlies Can Sure Light it Up
The Marlies Meatloaf-ed the weekend nicely and have given us some hope that scoring can come from inside the organization and not via expensive free agents.

Sacrifice
Hope in the Big Smoke takes a look at the how the lack of a 2012-13 season impacts the Leafs

Morgan Rielly at Leafs Camp? Why Would We Do That?
Answer: The Maple Leafs have historically made bad decisions that hinder the development of prospects. Vintage Leaf Memories discusses a topic that has concerned many of us.

Ryan Murray has separated his shoulder
Only relevant in that it will hopefully create a spot for a guy like Stuart Percy on the World Junior team.

NHL Players Likely to Retire in the Event of a full season lockout
Interest list. I disagree with most of it, unless we see radical changes to the way the game is played like we saw in 2005. Players like Shane Doan aren’t going anywhere, but declining filler like Matthew Lombardi might be on the way out

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  • Burtonboy

    Thanks for the mash up Jon. 

    gary lawless ‏@garylawlessLawless – my Sunday sitdown with Gary Bettman via @winnipegnews

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/bettmans-take-179909441.html

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  • Burtonboy

    Thanks for the mash up Jon. 

    gary lawless ‏@garylawlessLawless – my Sunday sitdown with Gary Bettman via @winnipegnews

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/bettmans-take-179909441.html

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  • Don’s Don

    ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS

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  • TheCanucksnaphook

    Yeah I could give a flying fuck what either side says at this point until its “we have a deal”. Until then shut the fuck up.

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  • Mind Bomb

     Good morning Folks

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  • mcloki

    Mornign gents. I’m solidly with you Canuck, I don’t care anymore and all I want to hear is Game On. Call me when it’s over.

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  • TheCanucksnaphook

    I cant even imagine a casual fan in Dallas or Nashville or Florida…..what the fuck do they think?  They will not return to the game.  I actually hope the NHL folds and  a new professional hockey league is started.  They have destroyed the beauty of the NHL this time.

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  • DefenceWinsChampionships

    Agreed. I pass over most lockout talk these days. Focusing on AHL and WHL, plus Leaf prospects/players in other leagues. I just want to hear: “the NHL and NHLPA have reached an agreement”. That’s the only significant NHL news left, at this point.

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  • Joe_17

    i hope they cancel the whole thing honestly. Im prepared to go the whole year without hockey and i think many others are too. if we come back now everyone will resume making money – sure opinions will be sour and some fans will not return – but the financial damage will be minimal compared to losing the whole year. Kill the whole thing – lose a pile of fans – lose a pile of money – pay the piper.

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  • dlb

    my middle lad got his number … he was pumped … #81
    #proudtykehockeyparent

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  • Leafs_17

    quite one today

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  • Burtonboy

    Calm before the storm lol

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  • Leafs_17

     hope your right

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  • Mind Bomb

     Calm before the storm Bro, deal in principle is agreed upon today, will take a few days to finalize but everyone is just saving up their comments

    *-*

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  • Burtonboy

    LOL    I would not wager one penny on how this will turn out today 

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  • Yaknowwhat

    I hope they lose the entire season..I want both sides to experience as much financial pain as possible….both sides have shown they have zero respect for the fans….and lets hope if and when they do come back 4-6 teams end up going belly up…it would serve both sides right..

    I honestly believe the PA is starting to weaken…the rank file lower paid guys can’t be liking this….and they can’t afford it as much as the other guys…Bettman showed them he was in no rush and the PA showed Bettman they were….I think PA members will start to ramp up the pressure on Fehr to get a deal done within the next 2-3 weeks…….

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  • Hero at the Half Boards

    In case anyone is bored, here is our glorious Captain Leaf, dancing to Gangnam style at the AMAs last night

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOyo7JD7hjo&feature=youtu.be&t=1m44s

    Also Elisha Cuthbert.

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  • Mind Bomb

     hahhaha, Well looking at how my Football bets went yesterday I am do for a Win !!!

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  • Mind Bomb

    This really hurts the Leafs though Bro, It would Make Lupul, Mac A and Bozak UFA’s

    1) Lupul, I really want to see if he can produce at the same Rate before throwing North of 5 Mil a year at him. Or lose him for nothing to a Higher Bidder with no Chance to rent him at the Deadline

    2) Bozak has improved every year, Can he continue to a 60 to 70 point Center, We have to make a Decision to sign him or lose him for nothing.

    3) Ditto Mac A. 

    We could lose HALF our Top 6 Forwards for nothing. While Playing a shorten seasons still gives us a trade deadline to recoup 1st round picks

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  • Burtonboy

    Mike Brophy ‏@HockeyBroph
    Nazem Kadri is tied for Marlies lead in scoring and is only plus player among team’s top 5 scorers. So there!

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  • Yaknowwhat

    Thats my boy Kadri!!

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  • Marlies Man

    He should be crushing Senturds instead of my spirit.

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  • Burtonboy

    but but but he’s fat right :)

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  • Yaknowwhat

    He can naw on a peice of KFC as he’s going down the ice for all I care…..as long as he keeps putting up points : )….

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  • Mind Bomb

     Ha , then they would be calling him Chicken on top of everything else lol

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