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Go Away Goalie Rumours! + Updates from Nonis

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Anybody who takes rumours at this time of year at face value is either new to hockey and the internet or still reading Hockeybuzz. I’m neither of those. These Jonathan Bernier to Toronto rumours seem like nonsense, and I don’t want to believe them. I really don’t.

Other bloggers have addressed this already, so I won’t retread the obvious. Jonathan Bernier to the Maple Leafs makes no sense. Why on Earth would the Leafs give up assets for him? James Reimer proved all he could possibly prove this season, and all of the underlying numbers indicate he’s on track for a career as a reliable number one, and a good one at that. Ben Scrivens was solid as a back up, and especially when taking the reigns after Reimer fell to injury. Scrivy made a big contribution to the Leafs‘ eventual playoff berth when he took over the net last February and posted a 6-3 record with two shutouts. Jonathan Bernier, while a promising young goalie in the sense that he was drafted high and hasn’t got his crack at the starter’s role yet, has proven nothing. He’s played like 25 more games than Scrivens.

For the most part, the Bernier rumours strike me as bullshit. The Leafs are just the throw-in for the sake of retweets, page views, and all the reaction that comes with the Leafs being linked to a trade target. We’ve seen this all before.

But I can’t help but think back to the Miikka Kiprusoff rumours at the deadline. At first I wanted to dismiss them as laughable, page-view generating fiction. Then, they pretty much turned out to be true; Dave Nonis did request permission to Kiprusoff, he reportedly expressed an interest in extending his contract to play in Toronto (while widely reported, Nonis did not confirm that part), and Kiprusoff would have been a Leaf if he was willing to uproot his family and come to Toronto as opposed to his chosen path of retirement in Calgary.

I’m not going to blame Dave Nonis for the existence of the rumour mill that surrounds his team. We don’t know how true these Bernier rumours are. I try to rationalize that the idea behind Kiprusoff was the experience angle, given the Leafs were headed toward the playoffs. But I do wonder if we’re hearing the same garbage (if that’s all it is) about the Leafs and Bernier if Nonis doesn’t show an active interest in Mikka Kiprusoff and instead gives Reimer the clear vote of confidence he deserved last trade deadline. More worryingly, I also wonder if these Bernier rumours might have something to them. While Tim Lieweke refreshingly heaped praise on Reimer a few weeks back, we haven’t heard Dave Nonis or someone in the front office call Reimer “the” guy. Maybe this is a symptom of the change in managerial tone away from the ‘Burkian’ outspokenness, and evidence of the more conservative Dave Nonis showing a hesitance toward applying the “anointing oil” to the young goalie.

That could be all it is, and these rumours could be just that – silly old late June rumours involving the Toronto Maple Leafs. Probably, hopefully, that’s all it is. But I can’t say Nonis’ past actions or words have alleviated all of my concerns.

Anyway, just my .02.

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A few updates from Dave Nonis today after the GM meetings:

 

 

 

UPDATE: Jonathan Bernier Traded To Leafs

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Knights2Leafs
Knights2Leafs

David Bolland had 14 g, 20 a, 34 points in 43 playoff games in his first 3 playoff years as a Blackhawk.

Sequins has 6 g, 11 a, 17 points in 40 playoff games.

With a little hard work Sequins can aspire to reach the David Bolland level - third line center.



Loric76
Loric76

I still maintain that a trade around compliance buyouts is unlikely, especially with the super contracts like DiPietro, Lecav, Bryz, etc., but if it's going to happen I think it's already done and they're waiting for the SC finals to finish before announcing it.

mcloki
mcloki

Morning gents. We've got a best 2 out of 3. SC Final now. Could be a doozy at 7 games.

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

My that was a fun game to watch last night.

I especially loved watching Chara  losing his cool as the game progressed.

He was whining at the refs like a little bitch!

Ok,big bitch haha

HeatherRickAkin
HeatherRickAkin

Ok, just to be clear here. Nonis stated it's a distinct possibility that the Leafs will use a compliance buyout. his is NOT suggesting that the Leafs will trade for a Lecalvalier or DiPietro, then buy that type of player out. Did Loiselle suggest anything more daring than Nonis, and if so, how did he state his thoughts ? A buyout of Komisarek, or even Liles or Grabovski to a lesser extent, will all be very disappointing, after all the wild speculation I have read. The waiting is killing me.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

Its amazing how Stanley Cup finals- no posters for an hour.... if Leafs were still in it, even at this time we would have 1000 posts an hour.  

Bobsyouruncle
Bobsyouruncle

@Knights2Leafs Last night I was looking at a TSN list of the 50 best players in the NHL (including goalies) that they compiled before the season. Based on ONE year with 67 points in 81 games (22pts in 74 games the year before) they had Sequins 31st.    

Hossa was 32nd and Kessel with 82 points in 82 games and multiple 30 goal seasons was ranked 47th. Sequins does nothing special like take face-offs or play a physical game. Total bullshit move by TSN. I mean how can you even justify that?   

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Knights2Leafs  He is at half of the production of a 3rd line Centre.

Also- Kessel 13G, 8a, 21 points in 22 playoff games. Seguin is producing 1.7pts in 4 games.. So maybe if he plays 9 more games he catches Kessel.. wait.. that wont happen as Kessel will be playing more playoff games starting next year.. 


Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Loric76 Just a guess on my part but listening to Nonis and Loiselle the last week or so the cap space we get from buying out some of our own  bad contracts is far more important then any return we can get from buying out someone's else's mistake .

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Loric76 Some people say its too much money for MLSE to spend for prospects, some say the Isles or Tb won't hand over prospects for cash, they can afford the buyouts.  My conclusion is no one has a clue, but GMs seem to believe a deal is possible.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Loric76  I agree esp with the latter.  Trading a compliance buyout is actually bad PR for NHL and team trading away but also, you can't buyout until 48 hrs after SC finals so you dont want to put that on your summer cap space before as it would potentially block other deals before hand.

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@mcloki 

Seeing that Stern got his seven game final, you know Gary will pull out all stops to match :P

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@mcloki Guessing a lot of talking heads will be changing their tune today . Yesterday they were anointing the Bruins as the greatest defensive team of all time lol

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Uncle Otis I've noticed that about Chara . Seems like he's thin skinned and hitting the fucker seems to throw him off his game doesn't it .

Loric76
Loric76

@Burtonboy Funny how they spend all that time talking about Bernier, only to admit there's not much of a story there, and completely skip resigning Franson.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Burtonboy Not tipping hat much but true- we should always look to upgrade at ALL positions.  Do we need another goalie- not right now as a focus-  If we can get a great goalie- why not? 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@HeatherRickAkin  I think publicly, the NHL would not like to have GMs saying they intend to trade as a money transaction to get a pick/prospect and then buyout the player. Better just to do it.

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Burtonboy @Loric76 I think the best the Leafs could do with the compliance buyouts is exchange for little buyouts - Komi for instance, for a bigger one

Loric76
Loric76

@MaxwellHowe @Loric76 I think MLSE would pay that much, and NYI or TBL might hand over prospects for cash, but I also think the league would step in a call fowl on the deals, citing that it's against the rules to trade players for cash, and that's what this is.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@MaxwellHowe @Loric76  Concur.  No one knows as we haven't experienced these compliance buyouts with long huge contracts before.  GMs definitely think there are possibilities which means some dialogue between them had to have taken place already.. which also means that what is on offer is not that far off from expectations or they would not think that way.

Loric76
Loric76

@canuckintheuk @Loric76 Imagine a deal that involved one of those big names coming to Toronto, it would dwarf the SC finals as the main story in the NHL.

mcloki
mcloki

They are just glorified talking peewee soccer players, wherever the ball goes they all follow. The only guy who has been right is Cherry.

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@Burtonboy 

He can clearly dish it out,but can't take it.

Simply not used to that lack of respect...and the inability to club his foes like seals.

Flopping,tripping,moaning bitching Chara.

What a beautiful game.

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@canuckintheuk @Burtonboy Nonis seems to lack confidence in Reimer.  Maybe the plan is to acquire Bernier for Frattin., on a gentleman's promise not to trade him to the Oilers or Flames, trade Reimer to the Oilers or Flames to switch draft picks, and go for Monaghan.  So they would have traded Frattin, taken a chance that Bernier is at least as good as Reimer, and gotten a future #1 centre.  That's the only way I would accept going for Bernier as reasonable.  Barely reasonable

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@canuckintheuk @Burtonboy From the sounds of what he was saying I'm guessing upgrading at goal is low on his totem pole. He'll inquire but I don't see him giving up a player like Frattin . Fratts is cheap right now and cheap is critical going forward. What happens with Bozak and Grabo is going to be a lot more interesting and probably a much higher prority for Nonis 

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Loric76 @MaxwellHowe That's an interesting point, but the League can't begin to expand the prohibition of trading players for cash - many trades involve passing costs one way or another.

mcloki
mcloki

Technically no. It's still a player trade.

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@Burtonboy 

Just thought JVR could use some help over the course of the season,doing the piñata in front of the net.

I think McLaren would be excellent at the job.

Plant/absorb/screen...tipping optional.

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@Loric76 

Funny you mention,as watching Bickell crowd Rask last night made me wonder if McLaren could do the same on the PP?

His hands aren't that bad in tight.

Bobsyouruncle
Bobsyouruncle

@Knights2Leafs @MaxwellHowe I don't get that impression that Nonis lacks confidence in Reimer either. But he has to remain open to possibilities especially concerning a proven quality back-up. No disrespect to Scrivens. 

Knights2Leafs
Knights2Leafs

@MaxwellHowe

There's a big difference between Nonis lacking confidence that Reims is a true 1G that can carry through the playoffs and simply being concerned about his ability to stay healthy.  I can see the latter but I'd be shocked if it was the former.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Burtonboy @canuckintheuk  I am not sure if we have to use both of ours.  Really we could potentially trade Grabo and Liles and leave Komi in the minors.  They could also then go with Kadri, Colborne, McClement and then another C.. . Maybe even sign or acquire a 1C near trade deadline so that we still fit into the annual cap figure if it only costs us the last month etc.. who knows.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@canuckintheuk @Burtonboy Frattin wqas the speculated asking price at the deadline for Bernier so I guess that why that notion has returned . Unless its a major upgrade to a stud starter I honestly don't see him moving on it . He said upgrades wherever he can so its going to have to be a pretty good goalie to upgrade Reimer . Cap is obviously the key issue for all of the GM'S. Can't see for the life of me keeping both Grabo and Bozak and maybe he will let both go ,who knows. Unless of course he intends to move Naz or Colborne. 


As for the buyouts they may have no choice but use both themselves just to get the cap space needed in the next couple of yrs.  Buying out someones else's problem doesn't help our cap situation . It help theirs.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Burtonboy @canuckintheuk  I don't know why Frattin is the name thrown out re Bernier?  Nor does it mean we are after Bernier-  Maybe negotiating for UFA- Mike Smith, Backstrom??  who knows.  Maybe a trade that includes Reimer for a star goalie?  Maybe Luongo is coming here?  Who knows.  It is not a focus but surely there are many different discussions.  I think Bozak and Leafs mgmt both have drawn lines in the sand.... both would like him here next year but clearly in different roles with different money.