Go Away Goalie Rumours! + Updates from Nonis

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Anybody who takes rumours at this time of year at face value is either new to hockey and the internet or still reading Hockeybuzz. I’m neither of those. These Jonathan Bernier to Toronto rumours seem like nonsense, and I don’t want to believe them. I really don’t.

Other bloggers have addressed this already, so I won’t retread the obvious. Jonathan Bernier to the Maple Leafs makes no sense. Why on Earth would the Leafs give up assets for him? James Reimer proved all he could possibly prove this season, and all of the underlying numbers indicate he’s on track for a career as a reliable number one, and a good one at that. Ben Scrivens was solid as a back up, and especially when taking the reigns after Reimer fell to injury. Scrivy made a big contribution to the Leafs’ eventual playoff berth when he took over the net last February and posted a 6-3 record with two shutouts. Jonathan Bernier, while a promising young goalie in the sense that he was drafted high and hasn’t got his crack at the starter’s role yet, has proven nothing. He’s played like 25 more games than Scrivens.

For the most part, the Bernier rumours strike me as bullshit. The Leafs are just the throw-in for the sake of retweets, page views, and all the reaction that comes with the Leafs being linked to a trade target. We’ve seen this all before.

But I can’t help but think back to the Miikka Kiprusoff rumours at the deadline. At first I wanted to dismiss them as laughable, page-view generating fiction. Then, they pretty much turned out to be true; Dave Nonis did request permission to Kiprusoff, he reportedly expressed an interest in extending his contract to play in Toronto (while widely reported, Nonis did not confirm that part), and Kiprusoff would have been a Leaf if he was willing to uproot his family and come to Toronto as opposed to his chosen path of retirement in Calgary.

I’m not going to blame Dave Nonis for the existence of the rumour mill that surrounds his team. We don’t know how true these Bernier rumours are. I try to rationalize that the idea behind Kiprusoff was the experience angle, given the Leafs were headed toward the playoffs. But I do wonder if we’re hearing the same garbage (if that’s all it is) about the Leafs and Bernier if Nonis doesn’t show an active interest in Mikka Kiprusoff and instead gives Reimer the clear vote of confidence he deserved last trade deadline. More worryingly, I also wonder if these Bernier rumours might have something to them. While Tim Lieweke refreshingly heaped praise on Reimer a few weeks back, we haven’t heard Dave Nonis or someone in the front office call Reimer “the” guy. Maybe this is a symptom of the change in managerial tone away from the ‘Burkian’ outspokenness, and evidence of the more conservative Dave Nonis showing a hesitance toward applying the “anointing oil” to the young goalie.

That could be all it is, and these rumours could be just that – silly old late June rumours involving the Toronto Maple Leafs. Probably, hopefully, that’s all it is. But I can’t say Nonis’ past actions or words have alleviated all of my concerns.

Anyway, just my .02.

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A few updates from Dave Nonis today after the GM meetings:

 

 

 

UPDATE: Jonathan Bernier Traded To Leafs

  • lukethenuke

    first

    • Pent_House

      lukethenuke You deserve the dislike button

  • Black_Hawk

    no thxs to bernier

  • mapleleafmuse

    second?

  • Biltmore

    I can only say I trust the Leafs brain trust know what they’re doing because they have so much more information and they do this for a living. But you know…. don’t f*ck it up.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

    Thank you for saying this. It’s crazy we’re even talking about it, partly Nonis’ fault that, but  Reimer is our guy.

    Focus on the real issues Nonis. Upgrade the D.

  • Burtonboy

    If Nonis is seriously considering this move we may have a problem Houston.

    • rustynail

      Burtonboy I won’t be on the fence anymore if that is the case

      • Burtonboy

        rustynail Burtonboy Also looks to me like he’s stalling bigtime . Must be waiting to see whats available through trades or buyouts before signing any players to contracts

    • rustynail

      Burtonboy I won’t be on the fence anymore if that is the case

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      Burtonboy We had a problem when Nonis was so in pursuit of  Kiprusoff.
      Insanity!

    • mcloki

      Burtonboy at this time of year GM’s have to “Always be available  Everything should be possible so people are willing to talk. Part of the coded language GM’s need to use.

  • Knights2Leafs

    “Distinct possibility” Nonis will use a compliance buyout.  Duh.  Good digging there Chris Johnston.
    How about a 99.9999 % certainty.  Or higher.

    • rustynail

      Knights2Leafs know anything about a rumour on here this morning that Naz is concerned he is being traded?

      • Knights2Leafs

        rustynail
        Yikes – first time on here since before 8:00 a.m., but I haven’t heard the faintest notion of any such thing.  Was it in the last thread?

        • rustynail

          Knights2Leafs rustynail yup some second hand thingee early on

        • Knights2Leafs

          rustynail
          Just went back and read the comments from Mindbomb.  Interesting.  I’ve got a new item at the top of my to do list first thing tomorrow.

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    I wonder if Leiwiki has completed his bid to get Ronaldo to play for TFC….ohh…..and no to Bernier

    • Xxxxxnew

      Toronto Fried Chicken?

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        Xxxxxnew mmmm that sounds great

  • Jay_Berg

    If the leafs are seriously thinking about this then management as a whole must see something wrong with Reimer that obviously we are not seeing. Maybe they feel his stats are inflated somehow. Maybe they hate his rebound control. Maybe his glove is too shit. Maybe they don’t think he can stay healthy. I have no idea
    But simply due to the fact that nobody on the leafs has come out and said “REIMER IS OUR GUY” then I can’t help but think there has to be truth to these rumours unfortunately.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      Jay_Berg QFT

    • Cameron19

      Jay_Berg Nonis did come out and say that, numerous times.  He even clarified that any interest in Kiprusoff was purely as an injury fill-in, back-up goalie for playoff experience – not to dethrone James Reimer. If they want Bernier, it’s more likely because of Scrivens.

      I think we all really need to stop jumping to these conclusions about Reimer, and organization beliefs in him.  Huge leaps in logic, in my opinion.  Bernier has played like 50 games over 4 years in the league – even if we are pursuing him, it’s not because he’s a starter.

      • Jay_Berg

        Yes but everyone knew kipper wasn’t going to be a long term solution.
        You can’t tell me that if the Leafs give up Frattin + high pick or prospect that Bernier would be a backup getting minimal playing time. No he’d get a chance to split at the very least.

      • Jay_Berg

        Yes but everyone knew kipper wasn’t going to be a long term solution.
        You can’t tell me that if the Leafs give up Frattin + high pick or prospect that Bernier would be a backup getting minimal playing time. No he’d get a chance to split at the very least.

        • Cameron19

          Jay_Berg Just remember that no one of any significance, or from the Leafs’ has actually said the team has any interest at all.  So why are you assuming things like “the organization doesn’t trust Reimer”?  This whole line of thought is based on a comment from the brainless wonder, Kypreos, saying the Leafs MIGHT be interested because Lieweke.  That is literally the cause of this entire fiasco, and yet it’s being treated by many as if it’s actually got a shred of credibility.

        • Jay_Berg

          I never argued whether the leafs should or shouldn’t get Bernier. All I said is that if they did we would have to give up something significant and that would mean he wouldn’t be a backup. Relax

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

        Cameron19 Jay_Berg Bernier won’t come here to replace Scrivens

        Besides the point . Reading between the lines I’d say Nonis is still looking to upgrade at goal, and not just for a vet backup. 
        I think you’re overselling Nonis’ words for Reimer… he basically said they’re looking to upgrade at the position at the deadline. You could see in Reimer’s interview it was awkward for him knowing management hadn’t really cleared the air of a goaltending controversy.

        • Cameron19

          @Clark17 Cameron19 Jay_Berg No, that’s not what he said at all.

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Cameron19 Jay_Berg My difficulty comes in trying to rationalize the Kiprusoff interest. It was stupid as hell and sent the wrong message.

  • Loric76

    Kipper made sense at the deadline, we weren’t sure how Reimer or Scrivens would handle the playoffs, and if one got hurt we didn’t have a third that could play in the NHL.  Now Reimer has proven himself (and then some), and MacIntyre’s been signed to a 2-way contract.  Besides, as has been stated, Bernier is no Kipper – one has experience to share, the other does not.

    Even if it’s Bernier for Scrivens (maybe they’re not so hot on Scrivens and want to create a 1A 1B setup?), is it really worth the assets with Sparks around the corner?

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      Loric76 Short answer is no

      • Loric76

        @Clark17 Loric76 Long answer “no fucking way”?  lol

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

          Loric76 Also don’t think Kiprusoff made any sense at the deadline.

    • Pent_House

      Loric76 Really depends what the assets are.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

    https://twitter.com/Berger_BYTES

    https://twitter.com/Berger_BYTES/status/347380622173536256

    In absence of a franchise goalie, https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Leafs&src=hash need a level one-two tandem. That’s why Dave Nonis is pursuing Jonathan Bernier. An absolute must.
    https://twitter.com/Berger_BYTES

    https://twitter.com/Berger_BYTES/status/347381313252253696

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Leafs&src=hash
    will go into next season having added a goalie, a versatile winger and a
    first/second-line center. Dave Nonis will be aggressive.

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      @Clark17 did the Leafs fire this guy?

      • Burtonboy

        Dangle_My_Berries No but every radio station and paper in Toronto did lol

    • Pent_House

      @Clark17 Seems pretty reasonable.

  • Loric76

    nice, my response to Dangle about Berger got deleted.  Someone’s lurking…

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      Loric76 …..censorship eh, musta said a doozy eh lol

      • Loric76

        Dangle_My_Berries Loric76 I didn’t think it was that bad lol

      • Loric76

        Dangle_My_Berries Loric76 I didn’t think it was that bad lol

  • 2 minutes

    There’s no way we are getting Bernier. Reimer was everything we could have hope this year, and we are through the growing pains with him. Hes our goalie for the next 10 years if all goes well.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      2 minutes This is the obvious logic. Would obvious logic have added Kipper at the deadline though?

      • Cameron19

        @Clark17 2 minutes There are various stories about Kipper though.  Personally I believe the Leafs were only interested in him if he was certain he was going to retire at the end of the season anyways.  The biggest reason we were looking for someone with experience at that point was because Reimer has just returned from a knee injury.  People are forgetting some key details, and instead remembering the angle the media took.

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

          Cameron19 2 minutes No reason to bring in Kiprusoff into the dressing room with Reimer rolling along and proving himself worthy of some confidence from this GM. Not to mention a waste of whatever pick we would’ve given CGY

        • Cameron19

          @Clark17 Cameron19 2 minutes Reimer’s injuries were the biggest reason to want more insurance.  If he would have been hurt again, that would have left us with a playoff tandem of Scrivens/MacIntyre.  Then everyone would have said “why didn’t Nonis try to add a goalie at the deadline!?”

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Cameron19 2 minutes I think the talk of contract was negotiations was just Kipper’s agent trying to squeeze an extra contract out of the Leafs. Some kind of signing bonus to compensate him for only making $1.5M next season.

        • Loric76

          Cameron19 2 minutes it would have been just Scrivens.  MacIntyre was on an AHL only deal

      • 2 minutes

        Ya… To backup Reimer, for sure. Solid vet who’s been through it. I wouldn’t have done it, but I can see the reasoning.

        • Bobsyouruncle

          2 minutes Yeah, Nonis did say it was only as back-up not to replace Reimer.

        • whalz

          i thiought NONIS said if he could upgrade in goal he would?

        • Cameron19

          @whalz He made several comments, but as usual, fans and media alike took them out of context and to mean exactly what they wanted them to mean.  It was clear in the aftermath that Kiprusoff was only a backup option / injury fill-in to Nonis…not an upgrade on Reimer.

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/mapleleafmuse
    RT https://twitter.com/walsha: Spoke to a few GM’s in last hour. Hearing lots of trade discussions going on today, much more active than expected
    .

  • whalz

    @ ALEC,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe NONIS looks at the BOSTON situation and sees how having another top goalie in  RASK (who took over from TT) the chance to pickup a young goalie with loads of potential for a 3rd liner in Matt Frattin (who is injury prone, and didnt look like himself after returning),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    and i like reimer, but having 2 decent goalies pushing eachother is a good problem to have and could be flipped for another asset…
    what if lets say the asking price is FRATTS + 2nd for BERNIER.
    then NONIS flips BERNIER TO PHILLY FOR COURTURIER?
    id say that would be a great trade, either keep BERNIER or flip him for another asset

    • Pent_House

      @whalz How is Frattin injury prone? wtf

      • whalz

        has he not had 2 injuries to his knees the past 2 seasons? MCL

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          @whalz Same injury, just a relapse.

        • Pent_House

          @whalz No it wasn’t. The first knee injury happened during the calder cup run, 11-12 season. Then he had to get it cleaned up in another procedure this season. It was meniscus not MCL.

        • whalz

          ahh ok,,,,,,,,,,

        • whalz

          ahh ok,,,,,,,,,,

        • whalz

          he still wasnt the same player after he had it cleaned up…..but again id trade fratts for bernier,

        • whalz

          he still wasnt the same player after he had it cleaned up…..but again id trade fratts for bernier,

    • Cameron19

      @whalz lol, Frattin is injury prone now that he’s had all of 1 professional injury?  That said, I see no problem with the rest of your point.  If they want Bernier pushing Reimer instead of Scrivens, whatever, fine by me.  But, if flipping him is the goal, I think that’s a bad idea.  First, because why wouldn’t LA just get Couturier directly instead of letting us get him?  

      And of course, the biggest reason I’m against this scenario, is quite simply that Bernier isn’t worth any more than a 2nd round pick. The GM who pays more than that has made a mistake, in my opinion.

      • DWCMLHS

        Cameron19 I wouldn’t even give up a 2nd for Bernier. It would be like moving a 2nd and Scrivens, because Scrivens is no longer waiver-exempt. It’s unlikely he’d make it through waivers.

        • Pent_House

          DWCMLHS Obviously the Leafs would then trade Scrivens for another asset if they acquired Bernier. For a stats geek you made some bone-head comments some times.

        • DWCMLHS

          Pent_House DWCMLHS Meh. Scrivens doesn’t have that much value in a trade, imo. Maybe they’d move him, but it still wouldn’t be worth it. We really don’t need Bernier at all.

      • whalz

        if PHILLY cant make a trade for him until he buys out bryz and briere? they need to make some roster moves and this gives them time?

        • Loric76

          @whalz Philly can do whatever they want at this point, cap be damned.  They just have to get back under the cap by a certain point before the season starts otherwise they get penalised

        • DWCMLHS

          @whalz LA would wait if they knew Couturier was coming. Philly will use their buy-out(s) before free-agency opens, so there won’t be a risk of Bernier signing an offer-sheet anywhere.

        • whalz

          then we keeping him;)

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Loric76 Unless it was changed in the new CBA teams can only go over the cap by 10% in the off season.

    • Bobsyouruncle

      @whalz I don’t buy any of this but If Homer WAS willing to trade Couturier for Bernier, L.A. would know that and take the deal instead of Frattin + 2nd  and Homer doesn’t have to send Couturier to an Eastern Conf. rival.

      • Cameron19

        Bobsyouruncle Are there still going to be conferences in the new division set-up?

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Cameron19 Bobsyouruncle lol Figured I’d get a reply about that conference/division thing.. Just couldn’t be bothered to address whatever the changes are.

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Cameron19 Bobsyouruncle lol Figured I’d get a reply about that conference/division thing.. Just couldn’t be bothered to address whatever the changes are.

        • Cameron19

          Bobsyouruncle Cameron19 I dunno if the breakdown was ever made clear.

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/CraigCustance
    With free agency looming, Devils GM Lou Lamoriello still trying to get deal done with Clarkson. Didn’t sound interested in trading rights.

    • whalz

      im sure that could change at the draft,,,,,;)

    • DWCMLHS

      Burtonboy Makes sense. The Devils have barely any forwards signed. Elias should be a higher priority than Clarkson, though. At least for the short-term.

      • Cameron19

        DWCMLHS Burtonboy How are they handing out paychecks when they’re defaulting on loan payments?

        • DWCMLHS

          Cameron19 DWCMLHS Burtonboy They’ll find a way to make it work. But unless you give them a signing bonus, don’t players not get paid until at least the start of training camp?

        • Loric76

          Cameron19 DWCMLHS Burtonboy good question.  How are the Coyotes still in existence?

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          DWCMLHS Cameron19 Burtonboy I believe they don’t start getting paid until the beginning of the reg. season, bonus payments aside.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          DWCMLHS Cameron19 Burtonboy I believe they don’t start getting paid until the beginning of the reg. season, bonus payments aside.

        • Cameron19

          DWCMLHS Cameron19 Burtonboy If you’re Clarkson, why would you sign with that team?

        • Cameron19

          DWCMLHS Cameron19 Burtonboy If you’re Clarkson, why would you sign with that team?

        • DWCMLHS

          Cameron19 DWCMLHS Burtonboy Well, that depends on a multitude of factors. Organizational financial trouble didn’t keep Doan from staying in Phoenix, though.

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/CraigCustancehttps://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/347474347981676544
    With free agency looming, Devils GM Lou Lamoriello still trying to get deal done with Clarkson. Didn’t sound interested in trading rights.

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/DarrenDregerhttps://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/347475106282483713
    The NHLPA also has significant input into the banning of the spin-o-rama. NHL may not fight if there’s too much pushback from PA.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Loric76 You just know some creative player will find another loophole. Just ban the entire gimmick.

      • Loric76

        ingy56 Loric76 Remember that behind the net Grabo move during the playoffs?  He’s gotta figure out a way to do that in the shootout lol

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Loric76 ingy56 I’m waiting for a goalie to come skating in on one.

        • Loric76

          ingy56 Loric76 lol that would be awesome

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Loric76 ingy56 I’ll bet there’s a bunch of them dying to do it.

    • phaneufoundlander

      Bam that fuckin puck over glass crap too…

      • phaneufoundlander

        damn, meant to say ban

      • Bobsyouruncle

        phaneufoundlander One minute penalty for puck over the glass.

        • .JVR.

          Bobsyouruncle
          Nah, just put the faceoff in the offending teams end and don’t let them change lines. (same as penalties)
          Speaking of penalties, I think it’s time to stop rewarding teams, by not allowing them to ice the puck on the PK.

  • Pent_House

    I’m outtie, have a good one boys

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Pent_House Ciao…enjoy the game.

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/AndrewBerkshirehttps://twitter.com/AndrewBerkshire/status/347475497237762048
    I know Toews has great fancy stats and all but he’s really Seguining it up these playoffs.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Loric76 Oh that phrase is a keeper.

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        ingy56 Loric76 im seguining it up at work right now as we speak…

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Dangle_My_Berries ingy56 Loric76 Looking good but nothing to show for it?

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          ingy56 Dangle_My_Berries Loric76 bingo!

      • canuckintheuk

        ingy56 Loric76   Or use it as in –  hey my wife just asked me to come upstairs for some Seguining

      • phaneufoundlander

        does she scream Tyler when she climax’s?

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        phaneufoundlander “Oh Philll…I mean Tyler”

    • Xxxxxnew

      No pushback from the Hawks. Haven’t seen anone knock Chara down since Orr. Nobody gets in Lucic’s way.

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/CraigCustancehttps://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/347477461447094272
    Craig MacTavish said teams right now more willing to shop 2nd-round picks in draft rather than 1st. Called them the currency of choice.

    • DWCMLHS

      Loric76 2nd for Robidas. Done.

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/CraigCustancehttps://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/347478728726695936
    Ken Holland says he wants to keep Valtteri Filppula but price has to make sense for both sides.

    I keep forgetting about Filppula…any chance he comes here?

    • whalz

      not if he is indeed asking for 5.5 over 5+ yrs……..fuck that

      • Loric76

        @whalz lol fuck that then…no need for 2 grabbo’s

    • whalz

      not if he is indeed asking for 5.5 over 5+ yrs……..fuck that

    • Cameron19

      Loric76 If he’s asking too much of the Wings, he’s asking too much for us.

    • Cameron19

      Loric76 If he’s asking too much of the Wings, he’s asking too much for us.

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/DownGoesBrownhttps://twitter.com/DownGoesBrown/status/347479199445049345
    When it comes to the spinorama and the shootout, I think any intelligent fan would agree that one of those things needed to be banned.

    lol

    • phaneufoundlander

      someone said it best here a while ago, have a 3 on 3 OT…..scrap the SO, the Leafs suck at it and the 3 on 3 would benefit us greatly…

      • Bobsyouruncle

        phaneufoundlander I hate the idea of 3 on 3 hockey. Don’t even like 4 on 4 OT.

        • .JVR.

          Bobsyouruncle
          I don’t mind 4-on-4 OT in the regular season, but I would get arid of the shootout.  I don’t understand why the league seems to think ties are such a bad thing?

          If the game is tied after 60 minutes, let them play 10 minutes of 4-on-4 hockey and get arid of the ridiculous 3 point games.

          A win is a win and is worth two points, while a loss is a loss and is worth 0 points, regardless of when that happens.  If the game ends in a tie after 10 minutes of 4-on-4 OT, then each team gets 1 point.

        • .JVR.

          Bobsyouruncle
          I don’t mind 4-on-4 OT in the regular season, but I would get arid of the shootout.  I don’t understand why the league seems to think ties are such a bad thing?

          If the game is tied after 60 minutes, let them play 10 minutes of 4-on-4 hockey and get arid of the ridiculous 3 point games.

          A win is a win and is worth two points, while a loss is a loss and is worth 0 points, regardless of when that happens.  If the game ends in a tie after 10 minutes of 4-on-4 OT, then each team gets 1 point.

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/twolinepasshttps://twitter.com/twolinepass/status/347479010500046848
    detroit spending $238m on a new rink for the wings and heres a funny story about how the city will close more schools http://t.co/Tsi3uUJEZ5

    • Cameron19

      Loric76 priorities….

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ LeoTheLion

    Alec – pretty skeptical about Nonis, eh?

    I don’t get the Kipper thing either, so I understand the concern. Lost in the rationalization of the Kiprusoff fiasco is that he wouldn’t have been an upgrade at all. I live in Calgary and thought he was total garbage this season. Part of the problem, not the symptom of it.
    But I don’t  think the Bernier thing is true.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ LeoTheLion

      Upgrade on Scrivens, I mean

    • Alec Brownscombe

      @LeoTheLion I agree. Could talk about Reimer’s injury history and the concerns there, but few teams aren’t an injury to their starter away from being screwed and I’m not sure Kiprusoff would’ve saved the day. Just seemed so unnecessary to me.

      • Cameron19

        Alec Brownscombe It didn’t happen at the end of the day though, and that is important to remember. I think the idea was just to add an insurance policy in case of injury, or in case our guys just got shelled in the first 2 games of the playoffs.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Cameron19 Alec Brownscombe It didn’t happen because of Kiprusoff… Nonis had a deal in place. http://www.citynews.ca/2013/04/03/leafs-had-deal-in-place-for-kiprusoff-nonis/
          I’m not convinced Leafs management is as sold on Reimer as I am (or we are). But happy to be proved wrong. Maybe I’m used to Burke’s proclamations about his players and feel insecure without Nonis’ reassurance, haha.

        • Cameron19

          Alec Brownscombe Cameron19 I think this was a case where you could have maybe got a guy that would be happy taking a few weeks off with a new baby, for a 4th round pick, and maybe had some experience in your back pocket for the playoffs.  I don’t think it was ever any kind of commentary on Reimer.  And remember, after that episode, Reimer was on fire down the stretch, and in the playoffs.  At the time of deadline, he was still struggling with an injury.

  • Shift_Disturber1

    ” Federal agents searching for the body of former Teamsters chief Jimmy
    Hoffa believe they are about to crack one of America’s biggest unsolved
    mysteries.”
    http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2013/06/18/searching-for-hoffa-investigators-remove-concrete-slab-from-field/

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    Shift_Disturber1 I think this tipster is just getting the FBI to dig a new pool for him.

    • Bobsyouruncle

      ingy56 Shift_Disturber1  lol  “He’s in my backyard in a 32 X 16 plot.”

    • Bobsyouruncle

      ingy56 Shift_Disturber1  lol  “He’s in my backyard in a 32 X 16 plot.”

  • -Keon-

    I think it’s entirely possible, actually likely, that Bernier is an upgrade on Scrivens at least. So what’s wrong with obtaining a goalie who could end up being your starter, then trading Scrivens?
    They will have to give up more to get Bernier than what they will get in return for Scrivens, but if Nonis is thinking along these lines, I don’t think it’s a horrible idea. In the end, if the team gets stronger, that should be what we as fans want.

  • Cameron19

    -Keon- I have no problem with adding Bernier at a reasonable rate. I just can’t stand all the Reimer-doubt that’s coming with it. If we were evaluating Bernier based on accomplishments, instead of undeserved hype, I don’t think that would even cross people’s minds.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Cameron19 -Keon- I think it’s more based on the reason why he’s leaving LA – to fight for a starter’s position. To me, the crease is now Reimer’s, because he looks every bit like our long term starter and deserving of our confidence. Why fuck with it and give up assets in the process?

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Cameron19 -Keon- Someone said it earlier, D should be the focus.

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Cameron19 -Keon- Someone said it earlier, D should be the focus.

      • Cameron19

        Alec Brownscombe Cameron19 -Keon- The only thing I can think of is the injury history.

      • Cameron19

        Alec Brownscombe Cameron19 -Keon- Ha, and I still think our forwards should be the focus.

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Cameron19 Alec Brownscombe -Keon- I know what you mean. I really want a top 4 shutdown guy though.

      • 4evrblue

        Cameron19 Alec Brownscombe -Keon- I think high end talent D or C’s is what we need. That means you’re both wrong and I”m right lol

      • Cameron19

        Alec Brownscombe Cameron19 -Keon- I think you only address the D if you can do it for free, with a short-term signing like Scuderi.

      • phaneufoundlander

        and center…..

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Cameron19 Alec Brownscombe -Keon- Cheap option out of FA is a thought. We do have help on the way if we buy some development time.

      • Cameron19

        Alec Brownscombe Cameron19 -Keon- I’m hoping Granberg can pull a Roman Josi.

      • Archie Vanlanda

        Cameron19 Alec Brownscombe -Keon- That would certainly sure up our defensive issue. Having a prospect who is not highly thought of develop into a very solid top 4 guy would be great. I wish I could get a better chance at seeing Granberg play.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Cameron19 -Keon- I think it’s more based on the reason why he’s leaving LA – to fight for a starter’s position. To me, the crease is now Reimer’s, because he looks every bit like our long term starter and deserving of our confidence. Why fuck with it and give up assets in the process?

    • Cameron19

      -Keon- Cameron19 I don’t think so either, but you see it even on this board.  Leafs interested in Bernier = Nonis doesn’t trust Reimer.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      -Keon- Cameron19 “Reimer had a strong season and playoffs, but I think this could be the case of trying to acquire an insurance policy in case his performance drops.”
      Isn’t that Reimer doubt you just described?

    • Alec Brownscombe

      -Keon- Not 100%, but as close as I can be to trusting a young number one.

      Bernier gives us no more assurances other than the guarantee it sparks a goaltending controversy.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      -Keon- Not 100%, but as close as I can be to trusting a young number one.

      Bernier gives us no more assurances other than the guarantee it sparks a goaltending controversy.

  • 4evrblue

    -Keon- I’ve mulled this over during the last 24 hours and I tend to agree. I have always rated Bernier higher than Ben so if NoNo thinks it’s a good idea to go with a Reimer/Bernier tandem then I’m okay with that depending on the price. Maybe Calgary would be interested in Scrivens?

    • phaneufoundlander

      Lets keep in mind as well Blue that Reimer usually goes down each year for a stretch with injury…..he’s never played a full season and has been concussed a few times….having Bernier in the wings over an 82 game sched would be very insuring.

      • 4evrblue

        phaneufoundlander the question now is what does it cost us?

    • 4evrblue

      -Keon- 4evrblue exactly what I’m thinking also Keon. With Reimers injury history I can’t say I blame him. Love Reimer though

    • 4evrblue

      -Keon- thats basically what I’m getting at without having said it directly. Reimer has an injury history, if it continues Scrivens is the go to guy all of a sudden and that might not be a great thing in NoNos opinion

    • 4evrblue

      -Keon- where are all the people that said Scrivens was better than Reimer before the season?

    • rustynail

      -Keon- I still feel that way

    • 4evrblue

      rustynail -Keon- I have never felt that way.

  • 4evrblue

    -Keon- I’ve mulled this over during the last 24 hours and I tend to agree. I have always rated Bernier higher than Ben so if NoNo thinks it’s a good idea to go with a Reimer/Bernier tandem then I’m okay with that depending on the price. Maybe Calgary would be interested in Scrivens?

  • Uncle Otis

    Put my vote down as NO to Bernier too Alec
    Well,that is if it takes a significant assest, and it will
    I know we had interest in him before, but wonder how much Timmy L is pushing the marble too.

    • wiski

      Uncle Otis Me too bro, Scriven the viva loca and Reims are a good tandem.

      • Uncle Otis

        wiski Uncle Otis 
        And you have to figure they will keep getting better…and in the meantime, cheaply.

        • Uncle Otis

          wiski Uncle Otis 
          PS
          GrillGrate update?
          Cant find them anywhere locally :(

        • wiski

          Uncle Otis Did some Salmon, homemade burgers and chicken so far very juicy meat, great grill marks and even heat. I’ll do some steaks tomorrow, but so far I’m impressed, you can order them off the net and they ship from Canada.

        • Uncle Otis

          wiski Uncle Otis 
          Oh,excellent. I’m in then
          Have a big kick ass 7yr old Vermont Castings housing mice now that I want to make over.
          Great heat sink,but flare ups were a bitch due to engineering.(too shallow flame to grill)
          Sounds like this might be the solution..
          Cheers for the heads up

        • wiski

          Uncle Otis wiski Will definitely help with that, you can get them to fit your grill.

        • Uncle Otis

          wiski Uncle Otis 
          I’ll have to break out the hacksaw,but its worth it to have virtually flameless BBQ.
          That thing ruined many cows on extended beer runs. :)

        • wiski

          Uncle Otis wiski maybe not
          http://grillgrate.com/wordpress/v-photos/

        • wiski

          Uncle Otis wiski maybe not
          http://grillgrate.com/wordpress/v-photos/

        • Uncle Otis

          wiski 
          That’s my Vermont,without the stainless lid.
          Figured it fits perfectly if I lay the grills the parallel to front,not perpendicular
          Not sure if that would be a bitch to scrape/clean though

        • wiski

          Uncle Otis wiski that was my biggest concern, but they are like an old cast iron pan once they’re seasoned the crud slides right off, just keep the top clean and let the grease season them.

        • Uncle Otis

          wiski 
          Great invention…wish we had thought of it
          I might get a set for the cottage too.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    -Keon- I’m fine with that too, two goaltenders pushing each other can only be a good thing as long as both are happy with it. If Bernier comes in thinking he’s going to be the anointed #1 well that’s another thing. Don’t like the idea of giving up Frattin though.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      ingy56 -Keon- Someone mentioned this, and I agree. Scrivens gave Reimer a push last season and Reimer won out.  Scrivens started the first two games, remember? I think it’s his crease now. Not sure the best option is platooning goaltenders… eventually you need to have “your guy.” I think Carlyle prefers is that way, too.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Alec Brownscombe ingy56 -Keon- Yes, Scrivens was ready to play because he was in the AHL during the lockout. He’s been a good team guy but I hope he’s not content backing up and if he starts the season with the Leafs I’d hope he’s pushing to be Carlyle’s guy.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      ingy56 -Keon- Someone mentioned this, and I agree. Scrivens gave Reimer a push last season and Reimer won out.  Scrivens started the first two games, remember? I think it’s his crease now. Not sure the best option is platooning goaltenders… eventually you need to have “your guy.” I think Carlyle prefers is that way, too.

  • Cameron19

    My NHL 13 roster:

    E.Kane / Duchene / Lupul
    J.V.R. / Kadri / Stewart
    McGinn / Colborne / Clarkson
    D’Amigo / McClement / Orr
    (McLaren)

    Scuderi / Phaneuf
    Gardiner / Franson
    Gunnar / Blacker
    (Fraser)

    Reimer / Scrivens

    • 4evrblue

      Cameron19 lmao….. good luck

      • GreekLeafer

        4evrblue Cameron19 That team is pretty elite on GM mode. You can simulate each game and reach the Finals easy.

        • Cameron19

          GreekLeafer 4evrblue Cameron19 
          Kessel+Bozak for Duchene+McGinn.  
          Kulemin+1st for Stewart
          I acquired Kane by doing the proposed Islander salary dump deal (Liles/Frattin for Strome/DiPietro), and then moving Grabo+Strome for Kane. 

          Would be pretty sick. I love Kessel, but to have a center like Duchene AND be able to surround him and Kadri with wingers like Kane, Lupul, JVR and Stewart – we’d be okay.

        • 4evrblue

          Cameron19 GreekLeafer 4evrblue lol all I did was read the first line and chuckled. All in good fun I know but thats a serious roster overhaul even for you Cam lol

        • Cameron19

          4evrblue Cameron19 GreekLeafer In real life, it obviously wouldn’t happen all at once.  This summer, you do what you can.  Resign Bozak. Do the DiPietro deal.  Sign Clarkson.  Maybe try to acquire Stewart.

        • 4evrblue

          Cameron19 4evrblue GreekLeafer I think the Stewart window might have closed. I wonder about Oshie though.

        • Cameron19

          4evrblue Cameron19 GreekLeafer I think they still like Oshie a great deal more than Stewart – who will probably be a little out of their price range, now….

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Cameron19 Doesn’t matter who is on your team, I’ll still beat you.
      http://t.co/cisGoPEOrj
      That’s the LeafsHotStove account representing.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgranhttps://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/347490264044171264
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Leafs&src=hash Nonis on re-sing Bozak+Kadri (pt2) “That will dictate how much money you’re going to be willing to pay them.

    • wiski

      https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgranhttps://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/347490155264868355
      https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Leafs&src=hash Nonis on re-sing Bozak+Kadri (pt1) “One thing is how good do you think they are, is there room for improvement?

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/kevin_mcgranhttps://twitter.com/kevin_mcgran/status/347490756719677441
    Nonis on extending Kessel, Phaneuf: “I wouldn’t talk about player contracts on a going-forward basis.”

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      wiski Nonis” I wouldn’t rule out it getting dark later tonight”

      • Uncle Otis

        ingy56 wiski 
        LOL
        Maybe Nonis has a cottage at the North Pole

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Uncle Otis ingy56 wiski Nonis: ” I wouldn’t rule out an eclipse”

        • Bobsyouruncle

          ingy56 Uncle Otis wiski Burke: “There’ll be an eclipse when I say so. Not before.”

        • Uncle Otis

          Bobsyouruncle ingy56 Uncle Otis wiski 
          And on the seventh day….Burke was fired.
          Some of his moves were truly divine.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      wiski Can we hire Burke back to interview for Nonis?

      • wiski

        Alec Brownscombe wiski I like surprises 😉

      • leafmealone

        Alec Brownscombe wiski I want Burke back to handle some more ninja-esque trades. Then let Nonis handle the UFA market-I don’t want Burke anywhere near that.

  • Tommy Cat

    Alec, don’t know why you aren’t reading Hockeybuzz.  Its the funniest site on the internet.  Especially the comments section on Ek’s “blog”.  He posts some vague rumour and the readers just blast him.  I can’t get enough of it, its hilarious, as long as you put it in context.  Sorta like WWF.  Don’t take it seriously just sit back and laugh at it all.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Tommy Cat Like listening to Hockey Central at Noon…total comedy show.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    Wow…Lind again, 3 run HR.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ LeoTheLion

      The Jays are really starting to put something together.
      Would be amazing if we were above .500 by the All Star break.

      • wiski

        @LeoTheLion they’ll be 500 buy the end of the week

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/TSN1050Radiohttps://twitter.com/TSN1050Radio/status/347495663921160192
    Podcast: Maple Leafs general manager Dave Nonis spoke to reporters on a number of topics including the offseason plan http://t.co/DW49XTWLwH

    • Uncle Otis

      ingy56 
      Riveting I’m sure 😉
      The art of speaking while saying nothing.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Uncle Otis ingy56 Some really dumb questions…really dumb.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/cnnbrkhttps://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/347498680305205248
    HBO: Actor James Gandolfini is dead. More details coming soon on http://t.co/8yYtSv3xg3

    • leafmealone

      ingy56 huh….my screen just went black after I read that……

      • mcloki

        leafmealone ingy56 slow clap for that. Well done.

    • Uncle Otis

      ingy56 
      Wow!
      RIP Tony

      • wiski

        Uncle Otis ingy56 51 wow thats too young

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          wiski Uncle Otis ingy56 heart attack…go figure.

        • Uncle Otis

          wiski Uncle Otis ingy56 
          51 eh?  Damned shame.
          Great character actor and  a real good guy I read.

        • Xxxxxnew

          One site said he was up around 270 pounds at 6′ 1″.

        • .JVR.

          Xxxxxnew 
          Hmmm, what are you trying to say 😉
          Is that a bad thing, lol?

        • Uncle Otis

          .JVR.
          Would have looked good screening Rask :)

        • Uncle Otis

          .JVR.
          Would have looked good screening Rask :)

        • .JVR.

          Uncle Otis
          Yea, I’m about 6’2 and 250 lbs, but definitely not fat like Mr. Soprano, haha.

        • Uncle Otis

          .JVR. 
          Can u skate and take a beating? lol

        • .JVR.

          Uncle Otis
          I’m one of the better skaters in our beer league, but would probably be among the worst skaters in the NHL and I was always the guy planted infront of the net in Minor Hockey.

    • Tommy Cat

      ingy56 Holy shit.

  • mike_84

    I think Scrivens will be dealt to EDM. not sure what we will get in return. I wonder what it would cost to move from 21st pick to the 7th pick.

  • Knights2Leafs

    Tonight’s game is on NBC.  Nice to have choices.

    • mcloki

      Knights2Leafs great. I’ll probably watch it on there.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Knights2Leafs Oh good…last game was only available on NBC’s cable network in the States.

    • Uncle Otis

      Knights2Leafs 
      Thanks for the heads up…switching the pvr as we speak. :)

  • mike_84

    is there a list of players who most likely be bought out? Wonder if Leino will be bought out? what a bad contract

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      mike_84 Not as bad as Grabo’s

      • mike_84

        ingy56 mike_84 Grabos worth more then Leino

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mike_84 ingy56 Still a bad contract.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mike_84 ingy56 Still a bad contract.

      • mike_84

        ingy56 mike_84 Grabos worth more then Leino

    • 4evrblue

      mike_84 I just searched for a list but can’t find one thats any good. Leino will most likely be bought out. There are really only a few sure bets such as Leino, Kaberle, Ballard etc

    • 4evrblue

      mike_84 I just searched for a list but can’t find one thats any good. Leino will most likely be bought out. There are really only a few sure bets such as Leino, Kaberle, Ballard etc

  • mike_84

    After looking at the Sportsnet possible buyout list these are guys i would look at getting.
    Volchenkov
    Brooks Laich
    Eric Cole(if willing to play a 3rd line role)
    Gaustad(3rd line role only)
    Ballard

    • 4evrblue

      mike_84 is that the same list that has Parenteau and Lehtonen as possible future buyouts? I disregarded the entire thing after reading that lol

      • mike_84

        4evrblue mike_84 nope neither of them were on there

        • 4evrblue

          mike_84 4evrblue the one I got must have been old then. I don’t think Volchenkov, Laich, Cole or Gaustad will be bought out and I wouldn’t want Ballard.

    • 4evrblue

      mike_84 is that the same list that has Parenteau and Lehtonen as possible future buyouts? I disregarded the entire thing after reading that lol

    • .JVR.

      mike_84 
      Volchenkov would be a nice addition on the backend and Gaustad would be the ideal 3rd line centre to play with Kulemin and Frattin, but I’m not really interested in Laich, Cole or Ballard.

    • .JVR.

      mike_84 
      Volchenkov would be a nice addition on the backend and Gaustad would be the ideal 3rd line centre to play with Kulemin and Frattin, but I’m not really interested in Laich, Cole or Ballard.

      • mike_84

        .JVR. mike_84 I think for the right price i would sign Briere

  • mike_84

    Yaknowwhat If we can roll 4 lines we should give them some issues this upcoming year

    • .JVR.

      Yaknowwhat
      You’re right, even if we held onto the lead in Game 7, I doubt we would have made it to the Stanley Cup Finals like the Bruins have.  Sure, we might have gotten by the Rangers, but I doubt we’d have toppled the Penguins.

    • PeterZeroOne

      mike_84 Yaknowwhat as long as we’re not icing two enforcers…

    • PeterZeroOne

      mike_84 Yaknowwhat as long as we’re not icing two enforcers…

  • .JVR.

    Yaknowwhat 
    He’s right, the Bruins team that we almost put out wasn’t playing nearly as good as they are now.

    • Bobsyouruncle

      .JVR. Yaknowwhat Right. Bruins were only 3-5-2 heading into he playoffs.

      • .JVR.

        Bobsyouruncle
        And now they’re playing like the team that started the season on an incredible run.  Not sure the exact numbers, but I think they were something like 17-5.

      • .JVR.

        Bobsyouruncle
        And now they’re playing like the team that started the season on an incredible run.  Not sure the exact numbers, but I think they were something like 17-5.

  • mcloki

    Hossa is there.

    • wiski

      mcloki Boland is playing too, I’m surprised after all those bad penalties he took

    • Bobsyouruncle

      mcloki If Hossa is healthy I pick Hawks in game 5. Bruins probably need this game if they’re going to win the Cup.

      • mcloki

        Chicago just needs some puck luck.

      • wiski

        Bobsyouruncle mcloki If B’s win tonight it’s a done deal

    • Bobsyouruncle

      mcloki If Hossa is healthy I pick Hawks in game 5. Bruins probably need this game if they’re going to win the Cup.

  • mcloki

    Hossa is there.

  • -Keon-

    Yaknowwhat Even Nonis thinks the way I think, could it be that some on here are just too optimistic?

  • mcloki

    Good start by Chicago.