NHL Draft Week!

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2013 NHL Draft

A dearth of links to share in Leafs news, but things are going to heat up this week headed toward the buyout period and the Draft.

Something that could speed up the wait – the Bruins losing out tomorrow night. They’re in big trouble, on the brink and likely without Bergeron.

A good read from a few days ago – Leafs prospects gain playoff experience in time of transition.

Here is the latest from Nonis, if you missed it. It’s hard to tell if he’s suggesting a Bernier acquisition is in the cards or if he’s just doing his due diligence. He far from dismissed the possibility, though.

One of the less talked about centers tabbed to go in the early second half of the first round – Alexander Wennberg.

  • HeatherRickAkin

    If you believe the hype, it looks like you could legitimately land a high end prospect (ie top 6 forward) with the 21st pick . That being so, unless the Leafs can pull off a blockbuster trade and move into the top 7, I doubt they will try to move up. My guess is they take a kid like Mantha  who is a bit of a gamble due to a lack of intensity at times. But, he is 18 and has a very high ceiling. A huge kid who can skate and has a scorers touch. You don’t develop those things….either ya got them or ya don’t. Meanwhile, looks like LA have smartly been able to create a bidding war for Bernier, who goes RFA in two weeks. You have to wonder if they can actually move him for a player with Frattin’s upside . We will know soon enough.

    • Bobsyouruncle

      HeatherRickAkin Yep, they’ll have to act fast when the time comes. The offer-sheet though usually impractical looks like a good move here for some team in need of a goalie. Can’t see the Kings waiting that long though.

    • daniel marois

      -Keon- HeatherRickAkin 
      It’s huge.  I would like to think the Leafs have some justification on their interest.  They have obviously been scouting him a long time.  And noted reporters like LeBrun and Bob MacKenzie say the Leafs interest is legit.

    • Knights2Leafs

      HeatherRickAkin 
      The other problem with trading for Bernier is the cap implication.  No guarantee he is going to sign at a reasonable price and the next 3 weeks are going to be crazy with the work all the GMs are going to have to do.  This year in particular the RFAs will be slow in getting signed.  Then we run the risk of a team like Philly throwing an offer sheet at us.  Bernier – upside, yes, cost, unknown.

  • MaxwellHowe

    I hope Frederick Gauthier is available at #21.  The Leafs have a dearth of upper end forward talent – in particular at centre.

    • daniel marois

      MaxwellHowe 
      I agree.  They desperately need depth at centre ice and even though Gauthier projects to be a 10-15 goalscorer/30-40 point NHLer, it’s his defensive play that will come in handy.  By no means a sexy pick.
      After watching last night’s game, however, I am even more inclined to consider Morgan Klimchuk at #21.  He reminds me of Patrick Kane or Jordan Eberle.  Smallish forward with tremendous hands.  He could hit 45-50 goals in the WHL next year.  I hope one of the Leafs WHL scouts pushes hard for this guy.

  • MaxwellHowe

    I hope Frederick Gauthier is available at #21.  The Leafs have a dearth of upper end forward talent – in particular at centre.

  • Zep2

    If Leaf Management interest in Bernier is real , it will be further testament of how poorly past management handled player development.
    The last very good goaltender the Leafs drafted and kept was the Cat. After him, management used its wallet instead of its brains , bringing in Cujo, the Eagle and a long list of bums
    Since Belfours retirement we’ve traded a #1 (Rask) for Raycroft,  and a 1st for Toskala . If they go after Bernier, it would be nice that for once they won the trade.

    • daniel marois

      Zep2 
      We have proven in the past for drafting good goalies (Rask/Reimer) and not out of the question they select Fucale at #21 if this Bernier situation does not come to fruition.

      • Zep2

        daniel marois Zep2 Unfortunately they traded Rask and seem to be not completely sold on Reimer.
        I like that Sparks kid. BTW

        • daniel marois

          Zep2 daniel marois 
          I know.  Leafs moved Rask because they needed to win now (under the MLSE motto back then of making the playoffs at all costs) and felt Raycroft was an upgrade on a goalie they felt they couldn’t sign and were chicken to trade Pogge who was just coming off winning a gold medal for Canada and winning the award as WHL and CHL goalie of the year.

        • daniel marois

          Zep2 daniel marois 
          It just seems they are really high on Bernier and the trade deadline proved they feel they need insurance in net when they inquired about Kiprusoff from Calgary.

    • daniel marois

      Zep2 
      If anything, the Leafs could convince Calgary (who picks right after the Leafs at #22) they will take Fucale and make a deal to swap first rounders and gain Calgary’s high second round pick.  That would be the way to go in my opinion.  My bet is Calgary wants to select Fucale with one of their low second rounders.

  • Dink

    who is this Bernier guy anyway? lol

  • Dink

    I have little faith in the pick the Leafs have, I hope they package it in some deal for a proven player…the time is now !

    • daniel marois

      @Dink 
      I think people are overvaluing this pick at #21.  This pick only becomes valuable to teams picking #22-30 who feel they guys they want will be picked after the Leafs selection.  At best, the Leafs swap first rounders with on of these teams picking low and gains an additional second rounder.

  • Dink

    Random Thoughts:
    Jays win 10 in a row and still in last
    Who hoists the cup if Toews can’t for Chicago
    Why does my spleen hurt?
    Players being discussed here will never be Leafs, but there will be significant changes.
    That final sure is physical, holy moley.
    I miss the Expos.
    I can’t wait to see who Marlies get for a coach.
    After Wednesday, the real fun starts…

    • Zep2

      @Dink I was a huge Expos fan but cant help cheering on the Jays . With Lawrie on the sidelines and bautista not whining, they are a likeable team.
      The series is physical but the Bruins get away with too much. The Boychuck hit is going to be reviewed, its a hit to the head, case closed
      Id like to see the Hawks win the Cup for the that reason. The Bruins cross the line too often , if they win, other teams will emulate them
      How exciting a series would the Leafss/ Hawks of been . Hockey at the speed of light

      • daniel marois

        Zep2 
        Wht!?  Then Leafs would be picking at #29 instead of #21??!  Who would want to trade for their first rounder then??!?  LOL

        • Zep2

          daniel marois Zep2 It would have been a hoot, watching Dion hoist the Cup and picking 30th. Then trade it to Calgary along with a picture of Dion with Cup for their 6th overall

  • dutchman27

    I say we offer sheet rask just to cause Boston cap grief.

    • Cameron19

      dutchman27 I think he’ll cause them grief all on his own.

      • Burtonboy

        Cameron19 dutchman27 Yeah he’s going to get a big payday next yr. Their backup is a pending UFA aw well

    • Knights2Leafs

      dutchman27 
      lol – how many firsts will it cost us this time?  We might miss out on another Sequins and Dougie.

    • Loric76

      dutchman27 Or convince Holmgren to

      • 4evrblue

        Loric76 dutchman27 don’t need to convince him, I’m sure he has himself convinced already

  • Knights2Leafs

    TheCanucksnaphook 
    Phook – played my first full 18 since November of 2010 (health issues and injury).  Shot an 82 while finishing with a double and a bogey (my own version of the last 10 minutes of game 7).  I’m coming after you at the MLHS Championship.

    • Knights2Leafs

      TheCanucksnaphook
      We’ll see, just happy to be able to play.  Saw a clinic back in May by Mike Malaska, 2011 PGA Teacher of the year and it was awesome.  Just watching and listening to him for 3 hours has got me back to swinging the club naturally like when you were 14 years old.  Unbelievable in simplifying the game.  I’m getting his book – I Feel Your Pain.

    • Knights2Leafs

      TheCanucksnaphook
      I like hearing about your connections.  Malaska has no problem for complex theories for elite golfers – just that it f…….s up the average golfer.

  • daniel marois

    TheCanucksnaphook 
    He might be.  Would be a solid pick-up.  I am more and more leaning towards a prospect like Klimchuk. Like, Reilly, I think he can be a homerun.  Much like Pat Kane and Eberle, he may be small but can fill the net.  Can’t have enough elite scoring skill on your team.

    • 4evrblue

      daniel marois TheCanucksnaphook petan is another small but high scoring player ranked as a late 1st. 120pts in 71gp is impressive

      • daniel marois

        4evrblue daniel marois TheCanucksnaphook 
        Yes.  I am all over that.  I like Petan and wish we had two first rounders so we can take a chance on him.  But Morgan Klimchuk seems to be a player like Shinkurak who can score at the NHL level.

      • 4evrblue

        daniel marois 4evrblue TheCanucksnaphook I thought we were talking about swinging for the fences though? They seem like safer picks to me.

      • 4evrblue

        TheCanucksnaphook 4evrblue now you’re talkin. c’mon Leafs, trade for Vinny to buy him out!!! :)

      • Burtonboy

        TheCanucksnaphook 4evrblue I wouldn’t take the risk of having him get injured and be stuck with that contract

      • Burtonboy

        TheCanucksnaphook 4evrblue I wouldn’t take the risk of having him get injured and be stuck with that contract

      • rockydundas

        TheCanucksnaphook 4evrblue I like this swing for the fences talk. I’ve always said…take the highest skilled player in the first few rounds. No sense drafting a ‘sure fire’ third liner in the first round…you can get those off the waiver wire if you need to….

      • daniel marois

        rockydundas TheCanucksnaphook 4evrblue 
        Agreed.  Taking players like Klimchuk or Fucale at #21 is definetely swinging for the fences.  Perhaps even a player like Petan.

      • Knights2Leafs

        TheCanucksnaphook
        If it was permanent, then he’d be like Pronger.  If he was simply injured at the end of next year, like a shoulder, then he can be bought out but you’d be stuck with him when he’s better.  Like Heatley.

      • TheCanucksnaphook

        Knights2Leafs  Then forget it Vinny.  Enjoy our money on South beach.

    • daniel marois

      TheCanucksnaphook daniel marois 
      You mean at the #21 pick?  That would be someone like Domi and he is not falling that far.  I think the bold move at #21 is taking Fucale (provided the Leafs are no longer on Bernier).  You solve your goaltending depth without trading assets.

    • 4evrblue

      TheCanucksnaphook daniel marois *crosses fingers* we’ll find out soon enough if all this huge buyout business has any actual wheels. then when we find out it doesn’t we’ll start talking about it being possible for next year 😀

    • Knights2Leafs

      daniel marois
      He could be the next Patrick Roy, but it’s just too hard to project how a 17 year old will do 4 or 5 years down the road.  I’m wondering if he might be overrated because he played on one of the best junior teams of all time.

    • daniel marois

      Knights2Leafs daniel marois 
      Absoluetly.  That is the fear.  But his upside his high and that is one of the gutsy picks you make that low in the first round.  Brodeur was drafted by NJ right around where the Leafs are picking.

  • Burtonboy

    If these rumors about Bernier are true we might not even have a 1st rd pick this yr. Ugh…perish the thought.

    • B_Leaf

      Burtonboy 
      if Bernier is true it could mean Reimer to Edm for seventh pick

      • 4evrblue

        B_Leaf Burtonboy I’ve been under the impression that if we did happen to land Bernier Scrivens would be the odd man out.

        • Burtonboy

          4evrblue B_Leaf Burtonboy Doesn’t make any sense to trade Reimer right now .

        • 4evrblue

          TheCanucksnaphook Burtonboy it might be less than zero, could be a negative lol

        • Burtonboy

          TheCanucksnaphook Burtonboy Doesn’t make any sense to be giving up a 1dt rd. pick in what is supposed to be the deepest draft since 2003 either

        • B_Leaf

          TheCanucksnaphook Burtonboy 
          Then Bernier makes even less sense…he desperately wants to start…why replace Scrivens with Bernier and give up something like Frattin…just super dumb

        • 4evrblue

          B_Leaf TheCanucksnaphook Burtonboy it would be a more interesting battle for the #1 IMO. Other than that it doesn’t make much sense. I won’t complain if they get him but won’t be disappointed if they don’t

        • daniel marois

          4evrblue B_Leaf TheCanucksnaphook Burtonboy 
          Agreed.  But have to admit, all this Bernier talk is getting me more excited about acquiring him.  There just has to be something about him that has the Leafs drooling,

        • daniel marois

          4evrblue B_Leaf TheCanucksnaphook Burtonboy 
          Agreed.  But have to admit, all this Bernier talk is getting me more excited about acquiring him.  There just has to be something about him that has the Leafs drooling,

  • mike_84

    Looks like im the only guy who wants us the draft morin. Im hoping he drops to 21. Hes ranked 19 on mynhldraft. Not the sexy pick but the kinda guy who can turn in to a huge player for us.

    • mike_84

      TheCanucksnaphook mike_84  is rychel your guy

      • B_Leaf

        TheCanucksnaphook mike_84 
        yup

      • B_Leaf

        TheCanucksnaphook B_Leaf 
        Someone good might slide to 21…if not Gauthier seems good.

      • daniel marois

        TheCanucksnaphook mike_84 
        Yes.  But Hovart should be in the mix at the Leafs spot.  He should be gone before then.  There is advantages to taking either Rychel or Gauthier.  Both have great size as one of their strengths.

      • mike_84

        TheCanucksnaphook B_Leaf mynhldraft gas rychel at #28

      • daniel marois

        mike_84 TheCanucksnaphook B_Leaf 
        Most mocks have Rychel going from 19-28.  He should be there at the Leafs pick.  Just a matter who is else is available that might be better.

      • mike_84

        daniel marois TheCanucksnaphook mike_84 if horvat is available hes the guy i want. Dont think he will be.

    • daniel marois

      mike_84 
      I don’t dismiss this choice.  But Leafs have many d-men prospects and many bottom-six like prospects.  Taking a chance on Klimchuk or someone of his skill-set is the way to go at that spot.

      • Burtonboy

        daniel marois mike_84 they will draft BPA. They always do.

      • DWCMLHS

        daniel marois mike_84 I’ve watched Klimchuk in person a lot. He’s been ranked outside the top-30 by most for the majority of the season, but he definitely could be a first-rounder.

    • wendelsfist

      mike_84 There are going to be surprises at the draft. From Feaster dropping down then selecting completely off the board.  And too last year it seemed that dmen were in demand and ranked highly.   And Forsberg who was ranked high dropped down considerably.  Outside of the top 10, all this talk about how player x won’t be on the board at 21 is opinion because something different will happen.

  • Zep2

    Do you think Chiapet would like to have Kessel right now

    • TheCanucksnaphook

      Zep2 Kessel is a game breaker. Of course he would.  But oh man that Seguin and Pie-Face Dougie Hamilton are great.

  • wendelsfist

    I have a question about NHL rules and hitting re. Boychuk’s hit for anyone who knows.  Are hits supposed to be shoulder/shoulder or hip to hip rather then the semi-cross checking hands up kind of hit?   Also are blind side/semi blind side hits legal so long as they don’t target the head?

    • TheCanucksnaphook

      wendelsfist All about interpretation.  Toews cuts to the middle with his head down.  As Boychuk goes to hit him he “misses” shoulder and catches his head.  I can tell you if this was a regular season game, those same guys in the media would be calling for a suspension.  Without any doubt in my mind.

    • Zep2

      TheCanucksnaphook wendelsfist Wether he targeted the head is questionable. 
      He did hit him in the head, no doubt. Suspend him for a game. Whats good for the gander (Keith) is good for the goose.

    • wiski

      TheCanucksnaphook wendelsfist Wardo was calling it a clean hit last night on tsn. lol

      • leafmealone

        wiski TheCanucksnaphook wendelsfist Well it was no Rick Nash on Kopecky type hit where he launched himself at the opposing players head. Toews ducked down to at the last second to avoid it. And if you watch it again, he does hit his shoulders before his head. And it is the playoffs where the offence has to be pretty egregious to be called. Hard to say that a player without Toews concussion history would have been similarly affected by that hit.
        That being said, I do believe the player delivering the hit has a history of delivering such questionable blows. So I don’t entirely discount that his intent was to injure. I’m just less sure that he was targeting the head in that attempt. Toews had the puck, crossed the middle right in front of the crease, and did so with his head down in a semi-crouch. At some point he has to be responsible for his actions as well.

      • wiski

        leafmealone wiski TheCanucksnaphook wendelsfist If there is a suspension I’ll be surprised.

    • wiski

      Shift_Disturber1 TheCanucksnaphook wendelsfist Lupul jumped though, Boychuk’s feet are planted.

    • wiski

      Shift_Disturber1 wiski TheCanucksnaphook wendelsfist We have seen worse go unpunished, but the jump is what cost Lupul imo.

    • Knights2Leafs

      wendelsfist 
      As much as I’m not a big Dave Branch proponent, he did change the OHL rules about hits to the head.  It’s the defender’s responsibility to not get this hands into the face or head of the the other player.  
      This is where the NHL should be looking to change it’s rules.  Boychuk could still have crushed Toews with a clean body shot.  It doesn’t have to take the hitting out of hockey – just cleans them up  a little.

    • wiski

      -Keon-https://twitter.com/DarrenDregerhttps://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/348809340599271425
      No supplemental discipline for Boychuk.

    • wiski

      -Keon- make up your mind 😉

    • Knights2Leafs

      -Keon- 
      Hah – a Shanabanian slip.

    • wiski

      Knights2Leafs -Keon- sucks not having edit feature.

    • Knights2Leafs

      wiski
      I no what you meen.

  • wendelsfist

    I have a question about NHL rules and hitting re. Boychuk’s hit for anyone who knows.  Are hits supposed to be shoulder/shoulder or hip to hip rather then the semi-cross checking hands up kind of hit?   Also are blind side/semi blind side hits legal so long as they don’t target the head?

  • leafmealone

    TheCanucksnaphook Why are you so in love with a kid who had the benefit of playing on a team his dad owned, and completely designed around giving him the most chance of success possible? He wouldn’t ever have had the role he did there on any other CHL team. His production is more hype than substance. Picking him would be a classic failure of overreaching with the pick and would simply become another in a long list of Leafs draft snafus imo.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/MapleLeafshttps://twitter.com/MapleLeafs/status/348803973597241344
    Great pic! RT https://twitter.com/TeamUpChallenge: Past and present. Johnny Bower & https://twitter.com/scrivens_30 https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mlseteamupchallenge&src=hash http://t.co/He027rZq5M

    • daniel marois

      wiski 
      Too bad he will be dealt to the Oilers! LOL
      Seriously, I get the feeling Scrivens will be on the move.

      • wiski

        daniel marois wiski First thing I thought as well 😉

        • daniel marois

          wiski daniel marois 
          I think Eakins is confident Scrivens can soldify the Oilers goaltending.  I think Scrivens could fetch the Oilers second rounder.  Which is a high pick considering some first round talent will spill into the early part of the second round.

  • daniel marois

    Just checked TSN’s site and looks they are airing the entire draft (as opposed to last year where NHL Network aired rounds 2-7).

  • Jay_Berg

    Would people have a better feeling about getting Bernier if we end up doing the rumoured trade with Tampa where we get the 3rd overall to buyout Vinny?
    My point is I think we need to see the big picture before we can really judge Nonis. Let’s see what he does after all his offseason moves.

    • ClarkHitsBell

      Jay_Berg 
      Hi all, haven’t posted in ages but in need of some Leafs talk. I’m not sold on the Bernier trade. He’s still a crapshoot
      On the other had the trade with Tampa is intriguing but why buyout Vinny? He may be passed his prime but he’s still much better than any of the centers we  have and I think his hockey smarts would make up for his lost of foot speed.

      • Cameron19

        ClarkHitsBell Jay_Berg Cap hit is too high.

        • ClarkHitsBell

          Cameron19 ClarkHitsBell Jay_Berg Leafs can absorb it no? For a year at the very least.

        • Knights2Leafs

          ClarkHitsBell
          The risk is we’re stuck with that albatross of a contract if for any reason Vinnie is on the IR at the end of next season.  No more buyout.

        • ClarkHitsBell

          Knights2Leafs ClarkHitsBell I see the logic but we have to pay someone at some point. Good players costs. Vinny may not be that guy I don’t know I just don’t see great options out there for a 1C to setup Kessel.

        • Cameron19

          ClarkHitsBell Cameron19 Jay_Berg The risk with retaining him for a year, is that if he’s injured next summer, he can’t be bought out anymore. Similarly, SJS was counting on buying out Havlat, and Minnie was counting on buying out Heatley, but both are injured, and have thus escaped buyout this summer.

        • ClarkHitsBell

          Cameron19 ClarkHitsBell @Jay_Berg Who do you see as the best option at 1C for the Leafs next season? I’d love to see Kadri up there but not with his faceoff %. Ribeiro? Weiss? Roy? Anyone else?

        • Cameron19

          ClarkHitsBell Cameron19 If we sign Clarkson, I’d seriously consider trading Kessel for a franchise center (i.e. Duchene). It would be easier to surround said center, and Kadri, with big, strong wingers, than it will be to give Kessel the proper supporting cast, and legit 1C to work with.

        • Jay_Berg

          I think Stastny is by far the best option. Low risk high reward since he’s only got 1 year left on his contract and he’s got lot of the same intangibles as Bozak (faceoffs, playmaker) except he’s better so he should click with Kessel.. With a change of scenery and better linemates he could be back to all-star form.
          That being said if I had to put money on it I’d say we’ll see Weiss as our #1 next year.

        • Cameron19

          TheCanucksnaphook Cameron19 I don’t either.  I love Kessel.  But building a complete team has to be the goal.

        • ClarkHitsBell

          Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook oh man trading Kessel…I cringe at the thought but that’s some outside the box thinking if it makes us better.

        • Knights2Leafs

          TheCanucksnaphook
          I’m with you.  If signing Clarkson means trading Kessel, then bye, bye Davie.

        • Cameron19

          TheCanucksnaphook Cameron19 Lets say we can pick up Stewart (ie. Percy+1st) at a reasonable rate, and we sign Clarkson. At that point, swapping Kessel for someone like Duchene doesn’t look fantastic, I’ll give you that.  It looks okay:

          J.V.R. – Duchene – Clarkson

          Lupul – Kadri – Stewart
          Frattin – Grabovski – Kulemin

          But long term, adding a star caliber winger to this group is going to be much easier than adding a center to our current group. 

          But I understand it’s a touchy subject.  Just throwing it out there.  If we keep Phil, I’ll continue to enjoy the Thrill.

        • Knights2Leafs

          TheCanucksnaphook
          I know you do and I LIKE Clarkson at a reasonable price.  
          If Frattin goes as part of a Bernier deal (yuck) then we’ll need Clarkson and MacA.

        • ClarkHitsBell

          Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook That’s a decent looking top 6. Not sure I like Grabo as 3rd line center though. Maybe trade him for that D man we need? Maybe to VAN for Bieksa? lol wishful thinking on my part.

        • Cameron19

          TheCanucksnaphook Cameron19 Oh, he wouldn’t be replacing Kessel.  He would be merely a fill-in until we could acquire a star center.  That said, Clarkson would probably do fairly well going to the net for Duchene and JVR. I think in that set-up though, their primary job would be to take heat off the Kadri line, which would hopefully dominate.

      • bear19

        ClarkHitsBell Jay_Berg  
        agree on v4..he may revitalize in TO
        if not do the buyout next summer.

    • ClarkHitsBell

      Jay_Berg 
      Hi all, haven’t posted in ages but in need of some Leafs talk. I’m not sold on the Bernier trade. He’s still a crapshoot
      On the other had the trade with Tampa is intriguing but why buyout Vinny? He may be passed his prime but he’s still much better than any of the centers we  have and I think his hockey smarts would make up for his lost of foot speed.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/GlobeKPDhttps://twitter.com/GlobeKPD/status/348810994413338624
    Just saw replay of B’s Game 7 win over TOR. Still miffed how Leafs mates skated away from Reimer after GWG. My team: no goalie left behind.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/EmmMacfarlanehttps://twitter.com/EmmMacfarlane/status/348808859613286400
    Bruins complaining about the no-call on the “trip” last night is like a bank robber complaining about getting a parking ticket.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/noahlove66https://twitter.com/noahlove66/status/348809637501472768
    He’ll just have to live with it for the REST OF HIS LIFE. RT https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger: No supplemental discipline for Boychuk. 😉

  • wendelsfist

    Old guy, UFA and righted handed Rozsival has looked great lately for the Hawks.  Where would you rank him in the leafs defence?

    • Knights2Leafs

      wendelsfist 
      lol – Loaded question – you’ll have a third of the board ranking him ahead of Dion.

      • wendelsfist

        Knights2Leafs wendelsfist So true.  But I’m thinking he is viable option for the leafs on the right side with either Franson or him being the second or third pairing behind Phaneuf.

        • Cameron19

          wendelsfist Knights2Leafs I think Blacker and Holzer are ready to try that 6th spot though…

        • DWCMLHS

          Cameron19 wendelsfist Knights2Leafs Not if we don’t bring in someone to push Gunnar or Gardiner down the the 3rd-pair. Fraser-Blacker/Holzer would not work, imo.

        • DWCMLHS

          TheCanucksnaphook Cameron19 That depends on how many new Dmen the Leafs bring in over the summer, and whether or not they actually move Liles (I think they will).

        • Cameron19

          DWCMLHS Cameron19 wendelsfist Knights2Leafs Yea, I’m really hoping we end up getting:

          Scuderi – Phaneuf
          Gardiner – Franson
          Gunnar – Blacker
          (Fraser)

          I think Gunnar and Scuderi would bounce back and forth in the line-up.  Gunnar can handle top minutes at times, we just want to avoid him doing it every single night.  I would trust the combo of him and Scuderi to bring Blacker along nicely, too.

        • Jay_Berg

          I really think Scuderi will resign in LA.
          If we want to upgrade our defense we will likely need to go the trade route.

        • Cameron19

          Jay_Berg Yea, at first Lombardi was saying he wants to get him signed pronto, but I thought I heard that after the Voynov signing, that he’s going to market.

        • DWCMLHS

          Cameron19 DWCMLHS wendelsfist Knights2Leafs I would definitely be okay with signing Scuderi, if he doesn’t remain a King. 
          I’m not quite as sold as most on Gardiner-Franson being a great 2nd-pairing, but they deserve a chance to try it out. 7 games just isn’t enough to draw any real conclusions.

        • Cameron19

          DWCMLHS Cameron19 wendelsfist Knights2Leafs Looking over their numbers, Scuderi is most likely to depart.  They have approximately 11 million, maybe a shade less, to fill 9 spots, depending on the status of Willie Mitchell – I’m assuming he won’t return and his cap hit will just be thrown on LTIR. 

          Scuderi should cost 3.5-4.0 million, so I think it’s unlikely they’ll pull the trigger on that.

        • gunner_36

          DWCMLHS Cameron19 wendelsfist Knights2Leafs I agree they should have a chance to try it out, but yeah I’m a little worried about going into the season with Gunnar-Phaneuf, Gardiner-Franson and Fraser-Blacker/Holzer. They MAY be able to hold fairly well (like our inexperienced goalies did last year) which would be great, but if one of those guys falter we’re screwed. Like what would happen if Phaneuf went down with a serious injury. We’d be forced to trade for someone.

        • DWCMLHS

          gunner_36 DWCMLHS Cameron19 wendelsfist Knights2Leafs That 3rd-pairing would be an absolute nightmare for us, imo. We have to bring in at least one more Dman for sure. If we don’t, we can’t get rid of Liles. Fraser-Liles or Liles-Holzer/Blacker would be much better than Fraser-Holzer/Blacker. 
          But let’s not be forced into a situation like that. Nonis should be looking at trade options for a #2LD. If he can’t find one, a top-4 UFA like Scuderi, Hainsey or Leopold would be good as a plan B. I’d look into a 3rd-pairing guy as well, just so Blacker/Holzer have to fight for a spot with a vet, not just each other. Blacker should just get some games as an injury call-up before being put in a full-time role, anyways, imo.

        • gunner_36

          DWCMLHS gunner_36 Cameron19 wendelsfist Knights2Leafs Totally agree. A decent depth dman might not be bad just for some competition like you said. If Blacker beats the guy out and earns his spot in camp, then that’s great. Much better than almost being forced to hand it to him.

    • wiski

      wendelsfist I haven’t really noticed him so he must be something like Gunner, just doing his job.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/Frazermclaren68https://twitter.com/Frazermclaren68/status/348816826022641664
    https://twitter.com/Bozie42 https://twitter.com/PKessel81 Look who I woke up to this morning. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23sneaky&src=hash http://t.co/3XZymjfFzj

    • Komas Taberle

      wiski I saw the show wiski, Franson hits the ball on average 325 off the tee.
      He said ” hopefully the Leafs can recover from the let up in Boston and hopefully gain experience from it so that it never happens again”
      He also said ” I will never forget that but I’m moving forward now”

      • wiski

        TheCanucksnaphook Komas Taberle wiski I can get to 300 with the new driver Burner rules 😉

      • wiski

        TheCanucksnaphook wiski No breaking 90 hasn’t happened in quite some time. 😉

      • wiski

        TheCanucksnaphook wiski I only get out a few times a year but ya I have fun.

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

        TheCanucksnaphook wiski What do you shoot on avg, Phook? Just started getting back into golf and really love it. Had a crappy old set of clubs (CDN tire—don’t laugh) and bought my buddies a R7s, and a Razr Fit from Golf Town last year (full pop). Pretty good game improvement club.

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

        TheCanucksnaphook Komas Taberle wiski There’s Sean Foley that you were talking about earlier, Phook. 
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ue0jX-RVYD4&feature=endscreen

      • gunner_36

        TheCanucksnaphook wiski See I like going with people that suck at golfing. I know I can beat them handily and they don’t give a shit what their scores are so it just becomes a fun afternoon.

      • Knights2Leafs

        DeclanK
        Thanks, that’s cool.
        @TheCanucksnaphook:  That first drill is exactly what Mike Malaski preaches for amateurs.  Standing on one foot you can hit an 8 iron a 130 yards.  Swinging full out you might hit it 145 yards but only half the time.  The other half – watch out.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

      wiski http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0iBWXGraIA

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadiohttps://twitter.com/MLBNetworkRadio/status/348818613714681856
    More Reyes returning to TOR: “He’s very close, no more than a week tops…Right now scheduled to join the team vs. Red Sox (Thursday).”

    • wiski

      TheCanucksnaphook wiski Gibby said they would try him at second.

      • djamon

        wiski That’s where he’s suited, IMO. His arm is not SS quality. He’s a bench guy though either way you look at it.

      • Jay_Berg

        Bye bye Bonifacio then? Guy can’t hit for shit.
        Izturis and Kawasaki can rotate at 2nd.

      • wiski

        Jay_Berg I seen a tweet earlier, AA said no big trades are planned, maybe upgrade at second.

  • wiski

    TheCanucksnaphook 48 hours isn’t it?

    • wiski

      TheCanucksnaphook wiski 48 hours is for buyouts and I don’t see too much happening before that

    • wiski

      TheCanucksnaphook wiski I think it’s 2 weeks not sure though.

    • Bobsyouruncle

      TheCanucksnaphook wiskiCompliance buyouts follow the http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-do-buyouts-work — either 1/3 or 2/3 of actual salary depending on age — but do not count against the cap. In 2013, the buyout period begins 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Final ends and concludes on July 4 at 5 p.m.

  • gunner_36

    After watching this Chicago-Bruins series, I’d like to add some more toughness to our top-9, and not just punching toughness but useful toughness (guys like Bickell and Lucic). It’s great we have Orr and maybe McLaren on our 4th line and Fraser and maybe Holzer in our bottom 9, but we don’t have too much toughness outside of that. Our D isn’t too bad with Phaneuf back there, but in our top-9 we have JVR as the only real big guy. JVR battles infront of the net but he’s not overly nasty or tough. Lupul is solid and Kulimen is a great puck protector and real stable on his skates but those aren’t “tough” players either. Our focus should be to find a center but I would love a guy who can play and bring some toughness into our top-9. That way we can send him out with a guy like Kadri but Kadri doesn’t get stuck playing with someone the calibre of Orr.

    • Cameron19

      gunner_36 It should be noted that Bickell is really Chicago’s only tough guy. Any toughness they appear to have in this series is because the whole team is playing that way – not because they’re inherently tough.  The Bruins are a much bigger, stronger, and more intimidating team in that department.

      • gunner_36

        Cameron19 gunner_36 Yeah that’s what I’m getting at. We’re not too far off. We’ve got some guys who play decently tough in JVR, Lupul, Kulimen, Frattin, Phaneuf, etc. and we’ve got Fraser and Orr/McLaren that give us some big toughness (but they should only be playing limited minutes, particularly Orr/McLaren once playoffs role around). I think it’s huge for Chicago to be able to throw out Bickell with Toews/Kane. Boston’s a bit different but still Lucic in your top-6 is lovely to have.

        • gunner_36

          TheCanucksnaphook gunner_36 Cameron19 It looks like Biggs is a couple years away, plus he needs to refine his game if he wants a top-6 role… I’d rather not rush him. Broll may be able to gain a spot in a similar way as Bickell, but Bickell was 24 before he gained a spot on the team. I’d say he’s a few years away from being able to legitimately contribute in a top-9 role. Devane hasn’t done enough to show me he can play top-9 yet, but I could be wrong.

        • gunner_36

          TheCanucksnaphook gunner_36 The potential is there for sure, but I’d say we need someone to fill that role for a good 2 years.

        • Cameron19

          gunner_36 TheCanucksnaphook Cameron19 Devane is just a brawler in the NHL, if anything, in my opinion.  Admittedly, my opinion on him means little as I’ve probably seen him play all of 3 times, if that.  But from what I gather, expectations aren’t high.

          Broll is a long-term organizational guy that we hope will be like Bickell – exactly right. Biggs should be huge for us defensively.  I think he’ll be like Clarkson, but bigger, stronger, and better defensively.  Has a great shot, so should be able to contribute in top 6.  Hopefully he doesn’t keep us waiting forever.

        • gunner_36

          Cameron19 gunner_36 TheCanucksnaphook Yeah Broll’s name is perfect too. Would love to see him develop into a Bickell-like player for us. 
          Biggs could probably step in to a bottom-9 role soon and play well enough (good defensively, big and strong enough) but I don’t think he’d do much offensively. He’s got some potential to be more than just good defensively, so another year in the O developing and at least a year in the AHL before he gets much of a look is probably better for his development.

        • gunner_36

          Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook Or can Biggs play in the AHL this year?

        • Cameron19

          gunner_36 Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook He can play in the AHL this year.  He wont’ be going back to Junior.

        • gunner_36

          Cameron19 gunner_36 TheCanucksnaphook Ok yeah if he can play in the AHL that’s better. He may surprise and be able to generate decent amounts of offence but I could see him being closer to D’Amigo. In that case, give him a couple years to refine his game and we can try and figure out if we have a guy who can play top-6 or limited to bottom 6.

        • DWCMLHS

          TheCanucksnaphook gunner_36 Cameron19 Broll and Devane are long shots to make the NHL. Broll has little offensive upside, and Devane’s is almost completely non-existent. The most we can reasonably hope for them to be are regular 4th-liners. 
          Biggs should be a solid 3rd-liner someday, but he’s still a year or two away.

        • Cameron19

          gunner_36 Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook D’Amigo would be better offensively if we used him offensively.  He’s always good when he’s not being used as a PK and defensive specialist.  Really turned it on at the end of last year.

          On that note though, the Marlies are going to need to acquire some playmaking centers somehow, in order to bring out the best in the wingers down there.  We could be icing this on the wings:

          D’Amigo / Ashton
          Abbott / Leivo
          Ross / Biggs
          Broll / Ryan
          (Lasch)

          With only McKegg having any real skill down the middle.

        • gunner_36

          Cameron19 gunner_36 TheCanucksnaphook I keep forgetting about Leivo. Looking at our AHL club we should have some great options for our bottom-6 wings in a couple years, and hopefully one of them can turn out to be more of a top-6 guy.

        • Cameron19

          DWCMLHS TheCanucksnaphook gunner_36 Cameron19 I think Broll will make it eventually.  I think he’ll be one of those guys who, even though he wasn’t a huge point guy in Junior, won’t really see his production drop off all that much as he moves to the next level. 

          Plus, I have a lot of faith in our scouting staff.  A lot of guys from 2006 would have seemed like long-shots in 2008, too.

        • Pent_House

          Cameron19 Yea Devane should be an Enforcer, but he can still play a bit. He’ll have more game than  McLaren  or Orr for example. He’s decent defensively, and has a touch of offense. Good comparison between Broll and Bickell. I think Crescenzi becomes another crucial part of that 4th line with Devane in the future.

        • Pent_House

          DWCMLHS Broll is not a long-shot to become an NHL player. He’s got hands. He’s a really good skater. You should actually watch these guys.

        • Pent_House

          Cameron19 Ryan might play down the middle, but most likely without any signings it ends up as  McKegg – Acton – Crescenzi – Carrick down the middle. Like I said though, Ryan can move into the middle.

        • Cameron19

          Pent_House Cameron19 Still, the point is that to maximize those wingers, you need to get a couple puck distributors.

        • Pent_House

          For sure. I think McKegg breaks out this year… and has a huge year. Acton’s offensive game has really grown over the last two seasons, so him being huge, and putting him between two hard-nosed wingers will be great. It’s going to be a real grinding heavy team. They should be great defensively.

      • Cameron19

        TheCanucksnaphook Cameron19 Ha, you only misunderstood my arguments. Nothing has changed.  
        I’ve always wanted to add Stewart, and guys like him. Not sure why you always think I’m adverse to toughness.  I’m just adverse to how completely obsessed with it we get.  Not every player needs to be Lucic.

      • gunner_36

        Cameron19 TheCanucksnaphook Stewart would be nice. If you can throw out JVR and Stewart to battle with a guy like Chara, it will definitely open up room for Kessel and Kadri. The fact they can put the puck in the net and keep up with skilled guys is what we need.

      • wendelsfist

        Cameron19 gunner_36 Bollig as well as Carcillo has been benched.

    • gunner_36

      TheCanucksnaphook gunner_36 It’s definitely a start.

  • Knights2Leafs

    TheCanucksnaphook 
    Dear Chicago:  please win this Cup so for the rest of my life I don’t have listen to MSM and watch videos of how the Bruins came this close to being eliminated from the playoffs by the lowly Leafs who finally collapsed.

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Parlez vous le wake n’ bake??  Je t’aime le gros, fluffy, shtanky bud!!
    Tabernac!!!

    • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

      TheCanucksnaphook Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 
      I love summer.  Driving around cranking the tunes (public dosage)….checking out the women….shnuuba shnuub.
      One week away from the draft…..Nono gonna be wheelin’ and a dealin’.
      Life is good.

      • wiski

        TheCanucksnaphook Shift_Disturber1 Ha

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/06/21/leafs-are-playing-it-safe-in-contract-negotiations/http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/6/23/4456128/2013-nhl-mock-draft-andre-burakowsky-toronto-maple-leafshttp://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/sources-bernier-ante-raised-no-call-bryzgalov

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/06/21/leafs-are-playing-it-safe-in-contract-negotiations/http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/6/23/4456128/2013-nhl-mock-draft-andre-burakowsky-toronto-maple-leafshttp://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/sources-bernier-ante-raised-no-call-bryzgalov

  • Knights2Leafs

    rustynail   Here’s my Kadri
    update:
    1) On the comment about Kadri being concerned
    about  being traded, this is not based on
    anything communicated by management but I think is simply an indication by
    Kadri that he likes what’s happening in TO, likes living in TO and wants to
    stay with a team that is moving upwards.
    2)Kadri  has already had several  sessions with Barbara Underhill
    3)Kadri  is training with the Maple Leaf training
    staff and not with Gary Roberts this summer. 

    4)Management
    is dealing with things on a “triage” basis and is extremely busy dealing with
    UFAs, buyouts, the draft etc.  There has
    not been much time to deal with RFAs like Kadri, Franson etc. yet.
    5)This
    one surprised me but Kadri is a big proponent of Grabo’s game –  skill level and heart and what he brings to
    the Leafs.

    • rustynail

      Knights2Leafs rustynail THANKS appreciate it

    • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

      Knights2Leafs rustynail 
      You da man, K2L!!  Thx for the updates.

    • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

      Knights2Leafs rustynail 
      You da man, K2L!!  Thx for the updates.

  • gunner_36

    So Philly still wants to trade with LA?

  • gunner_36

    -Keon- See, that “could have been” worries me. Why give up “more than others are willing to pay” for a guy who has proved far less than Reimer. I really hope this is a bunch of BS.

    • gunner_36

      -Keon- Or else that the “more” is still not worth much.

    • gunner_36

      -Keon- But it’s completely different than trading for an established no.1 goalie. If we traded for Quick, you know he’s had a bunch of great years, a Conn Smythe and some great playoff performances. Bernier on the other hand has shown some potential and could/would have been a no.1 by now. Reimer I would argue is a no.1 goalie by now, and still has potential to improve. He’s shown much more than Bernier. He may not be as good as other no.1s, but we don’t know if Bernier’s that good either. It scares me paying a lot for potential.

    • gunner_36

      Yaknowwhat gunner_36 -Keon- That’s true. I’m just afraid we’ll overpay for Bernier.

    • rustynail

      gunner_36 Yaknowwhat -Keon- we just did

    • gunner_36

      -Keon- I’m not ignoring that Bernier can’t improve. Currently Reimer has shown us he’s a good no.1 goalie (not the best, not the worst) and he was good for us in the playoffs. He didn’t carry us to victory like Quick may have, but he made some big saves and got us to OT of game 7 against the Eastern Conference Champions. Bernier on the other hand hasn’t done anything a lot of back-up goalies have. Both Reimer and Bernier have the potential to improve, and Bernier’s pedigree says no.1 goalie. But at this point if they both never improve, Reimer is much more proven than Bernier. THAT’s why I’m hesitant to trade for him. Thanks for posting the article link and the abstract.

  • wiski

    TheCanucksnaphook Haha

  • rustynail

    TheCanucksnaphook well that just ruined my day

  • Denied

    TheCanucksnaphook Clarkson must be coming in to replace Fratts

  • wiski

    Yaknowwhat TheCanucksnaphookhttps://twitter.com/lakingsinsiderhttps://twitter.com/lakingsinsider/status/348844214982946817
    Jonathan Bernier has been traded to Toronto for Matt Frattin, Ben Scrivens, and a second round pick in 2014 or 2015 (Toronto’s option) see ya scrivy

  • Cameron19

    Well, the 2nd rounder makes it a bit of an overpayment….but welcome aboard Bernier.  You’ve just gone from “loads of potential surefire number 1 someday”, to “what the hell is wrong with you, you’re obviously a bust” in about 5 seconds.

    • Cameron19

      Shift_Disturber1 Cameron19 Keep track of all the media personalities who sold Bernier as a starter the last couple weeks.  They will all flip flop dramatically, now.

  • Pent_House

    Is this for real or is Canuck fucking with us like before with fake tweets?

    • wiski

      Pent_House everyone tweeting it now

  • Pent_House

    I told you guys it was about Scrivens.,

  • Pent_House

    Yaknowwhat He should think nothing but I need to get on my game and get ready to compete.

  • wiski

    Shift_Disturber1 TheCanucksnaphook Beach bum now lol

  • tmlfan

    Don’t like losing Frattin, but he was never the same after he came back from his injury… the 2nd is a bit of an overpayment imo, but Welcome aboard Bernier… I really wonder how this is gonna make Reimer feel because I thought Bernier only had interest in becoming a number 1

    • Cameron19

      tmlfan lol, You make it sound like Frattin had been damaged goods for years.  He came back from his knee injury in the second half of a shortened season, and looked impressive in the playoffs.

      • tmlfan

        Cameron19 tmlfan That’s true, it was barely a a sizeable enough sample size, but in the little bit he did play he was no where near at the level he was at…  is there any way I can sign in using my old account?

        • gunner_36

          tmlfan Cameron19 No. Twitter, facebook, linkedin or livefyre.

        • Cameron19

          tmlfan Cameron19 No. Just make a new one with livefyre. Easiest way.

        • tmlfan

          gunner_36 tmlfan Cameron19 Alright thanks, long time no see old chap

        • Knights2Leafs

          gunner_36 tmlfan Cameron19
          Google

        • gunner_36

          tmlfan gunner_36 Cameron19 Yeah, good to see you on here. Imagine that, we’re both on at the same time and we have the biggest Leafs news in awhile.

        • tmlfan

          gunner_36 tmlfan Cameron19 Yeah things have been pretty crazy round my parts for a while, but things have finally started to calm down… decide I’m going to go on MLHS for the first time in months and boom, insta trade haha

  • DWCMLHS

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • TheCanucksnaphook

      DWCMLHS yessssss.

    • Pent_House

      DWCMLHS hahahah I love watching you squirm. Suck it up butter cup.

  • tmlfan

    Well this is weird… What’s with the new system?

  • DWCMLHS

    NONIS IS A FUCKING MORON

    • rustynail

      DWCMLHS off the fence now I am

  • MLHS_Luke

    The text from TSN woke me from my post ACL surgery nap.  Strange trade, though I guess some saw it coming..

  • mcloki

    That’s a bit much for a backup goaltender. Fuck NoNo. I blame ” Quest for Glory” Tim Liewikie and his meddling.

  • gunner_36

    Wow, Bob Mackenzie hasn’t tweeted shit, so I thought phook was fucking with us.

    • wiski

      gunner_36 Bob usually up at the cottage on weekends.

      • gunner_36

        wiski gunner_36 Does he not have reception?

        • wiski

          gunner_36 wiski he tweets photos so he probably has a land line anyway

        • Shift_Disturber1

          wiski gunner_36 Bob’s still wiped out in the hammock after a hard night of ‘relaxing’ 😀