Team Draft Rankings by Total GP (2005-2009)

Team Draft Rankings by Total GP (2005-2009)

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The obvious follow up to the total points draft chart from yesterday is a look at the total games played and games played per draft pick. Results after the jump.

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– One thing to keep in mind: Teams that have been perennially competitive and choose/prefer to take the slow boil approach to prospect development may have their draft hauls understated in this exercise. It’s obviously early returns as far as most of these draft classes go. At the other end of the spectrum, teams that provide ample opportunity to their youth may have theirs inflated (NYI has 25 picks who have played at least a game in the NHL). Would the Leafs have kept Luke Schenn at 18 if they were more competitive back then? It’s something to think about.

– Naturally, a number of teams to draft big name offensive talent near the top of the draft (Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh) dropped in comparison to their Pts standing. As hypothesized on the last post, Ottawa and Detroit both improved by the GP measure.

– The 2012 Stanley Cup champion Los Angeles Kings stand out as having a very strong five drafts with both factors considered, helped of course by their hoarding of picks (46 picks).

– The Leafs moved up from 14th in total pts to 3rd in total games played by their 2005-2009 draftees.

– The Leafs placed second in GP/pick with 68.1. They were 9th in Points/pick.

–  The Leafs drafted a high number of solid NHL contributors despite only 34 total picks and 4 first rounders (nine players, so far, who have exceeded 99 GP.. I included Kadri at 99 exactly). The GP credit for Rask and Reimer helped vault them up the rankings as well.

– The Leafs’ 2006 draftees have played 1040 games alone… a great draft for Dave Morrison in his first year running the staff.

– Here’s a link to the Leafs’ draft history if you want a closer look at the individual numbers.

Here was the Total Points chart for comparison:

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Alec Brownscombe is the founder of MapleLeafsHotStove.com, where he has written daily about the Leafs since September of 2008. He was also the editor of the 2009-12 Maple Leafs Annuals. You can contact him at [email protected]

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471 comments
Optimustic
Optimustic

Labour Day has passed, thiings will start happening this week.  At least the rookie camp starts.  :-)    Have a great day all, off to work.    Go Leafs!

blueandwhite
blueandwhite

I wonder why this study was done to NOT include 2009 to 20012. It is rather odd that we only have Kadri who played games during those years. Everyone else is zeros. I wonder where we'd rank if we included these years. Was this study done to pump up the leafs scouting staff?

I wouldn't say it was a meaningless study but just that it doesn't show the whole picture. It was like when we missed the playoffs a few years ago and fans were saying that if we had reimer for the whole year we would have been a playoff team. Or similarily the year before our record after the phaneuf trade we would have been a playoff team if we had him for the whole year. It just doesn't work that way. Incomplete analysis can be used to misdirect the masses at will. This is often done in financial statements.

The current survey doesn't paint the whole picture at all.

.JVR.
.JVR.

If you resign a RFA to a 1-year contract, what is the earliest date you can sign him to an extension? 

Cameron19
Cameron19

Crawford's extension is massive, and potentially a mistake, but does anyone still think Reimer is going to be sticking around for less than 4 million?

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Corey Crawford after 152GP has a 0.913 save percentage and a 0.546 winning percentage

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James Reimer after 104GP has a 915 save percentage, and a 0.510 winning percentage


Alec Brownscombe
Alec Brownscombe moderator

@blueandwhite 1) Morrison took over the scouting staff in these years, and is still in charge. We can give an early grade on how strong his drafting has been.

2) Drafting became more important than ever in 2005, when the salary cap was ushered in.

3) 2010-12 is still very early days. 2008 and 2009 are still early days as well, but they provided a much larger sample of players than 2010 onwards.

4) I had no idea going in the Leafs would show as well as they did. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@blueandwhite We'd rank in about the same spot.  None of these 'studies' ever look at the most recent draft years, because it takes a long time to see how drafts plays out.  Even 2008 and 2009 are still rounding into form.  Imagine if you'd analyzed teams in 2005 or 2006 and included the 2003 draft class in your analysis- none of them had played yet, but it was the best class ever.  This has nothing to do with making the Leafs look good. 

.JVR.
.JVR.

@blueandwhite 

Probably because the majority of the players drafted between 2009 and 2012 aren't finished developing yet and aren't NHL ready.

mcloki
mcloki

Way to cover your ass Dregs. Camp in question but plenty of time. Camp isn't in question till the 12th and medicals.

whalz
whalz

crawford has a stanley cup ring as a starter.....Big money for stanley cup winner.........And i think Reims requests a trade mid-yr thru the season and Nonis receives a 1st + a top prospect.

.JVR.
.JVR.

@Cameron19 

Corey Crawford: 1 Stanley Cup

James Reimer: 3 playoff wins

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Cameron19 All depends what happens this yr. If he outplays Bernier for the # 1 spot I can see him getting paid ( by the Leafs). If he doesn't and winds up as a backup then I doubt very much he gets 4 mil. 

ingy56
ingy56

@mcloki Sun will come up tomorrow, then again it could be cloudy. Still plenty of time for the weather to change though. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz I can't see who would pay that. 

.JVR.
.JVR.

@whalz 

Reimer doesn't strike me as the type of person to request a trade.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@.JVR. @Cameron19 Dumb way of looking at it, in my opinion. If anything, I see the fact that he plays for the Blackhawks and has worse numbers as a shot against Crawford. 

Dangle_My_Berries
Dangle_My_Berries

Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it’s time for our viewers to crack each other’s heads open and feast on the goo inside?

.JVR.
.JVR.

@mcloki 

No it won't, because he'll be signed by then.

mcloki
mcloki

I'll worry on the 15th. The rest is just fodder to promote HockeyCentral, sports connect, hockey tonight. And hours of useless sports talk radio. It'll be a national crisis by next Monday.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz They would not trade us Monahan - their only good prospect since Phaneuf - for Reimer.  And Backlund is shit, even if it means Colborne is too.  If that was the return on Reimer, I would be enormously disappointed. 

whalz
whalz

calling backlund shit is like calling Colborne shit

whalz
whalz

so you wouldnt take Monahan?

whalz
whalz

my bad then, thought he was ufa

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz And yes, in every possible rating, they have the worst prospects, and the worst scouting team in the league for almost two decades now.  And Backlund is shit.  That's like saying John Mitchell was an untouchable for us. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz He's not a UFA.  He'll still have 2 RFA years left...

.JVR.
.JVR.

@Cameron19 

I'd trade him for Calgary's 2015 1st round pick and hope they finish dead last in the 2014/15 season.

Bring on Connor McDavid :)

whalz
whalz

well as opposed to seeing reims walk ufa for nothing?  i see your pt, but i think TB is not happy with their goalies,,,lots of rumours about how Avs are not happy with their goalies,,,,calgary? backlund or klimchuk, max reinhard??? i know backlund or Monahan are untouchables but you cant say their prospects are shit...

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalzTampa definitely won't.  They could have had Luongo for a song if they wanted a starter.  They don't want to spend the money on a goalie, and have already invested too much into fixing the problem with the guys they have - they will give them time to grow into the role.

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Calgary's pick will be a top 3 pick, so no, I don't think they would.  They have no players we'd be interested in, and their prospects are the worst in the league.

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Varlamov is a fine goalie - the net is not their problem.

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Maybe the Islanders, but wow, a mid-1st for Reimer would be such a shitty return for a number one goalie - I don't know why we'd even bother. 

whalz
whalz

if reims is playing well, you dont think a team would cough up a 1st for reimer?

nyi-nabby (old)

tb-bishop (not proven)

tb-lindback (not proven)

calg-joey Macdonald

col-gave up a 1st for Varlamov (11th overall??)

i could us either getting a 1st or top prospect

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan It won't be that much Bon, you're right. Our best bet is to be able to do pull off a player for player swap and hopefully get someone useful back. 

whalz
whalz

i see a team like Calgary or TB, NYI  coughing up a sweet package for Reimer,,might be a 1st + prospect pending on where the teams are in the standings,,,,didnt TB cough up Corey Conacher (top rookie having a great season) for Ben Bishop? im sure Nonis can get a decent package but your right, 1st +  top prospect might me a fantasy

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Burtonboy @Cameron19 Well, for starters, that is enormously unlikely. At worst, he's probably going to be sharing the net. I really don't foresee a situation where he doesn't play 45 games.  Bernier is not a proven starter yet - Reimer is, and contrary to what Nonis "wants to happen", Carlyle will play the goalie who wins games.  So unless Reimer has a dramatic reversal in his ability to win games....

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But yes, even in a worst case scenario, his numbers are strong enough to merit the 4 million.  Also, his two and a half years as our starter will count for something.  I don't know why other teams would just forget that he put us back in the playoffs and had a top 10 save percentage 2 of his first 3 years in the league.  

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

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