Could the Leafs be concerned about Reimer’s workload?

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Between attempts to acquire Roberto Luongo, Miikka Kiprusoff, and now reportedly Jonathan Bernier, it just doesn’t feel like Leafs management is fully behind James Reimer being “the guy,” does it? Listen in here to Bob McKenzie on the TSN Insider podcast, as McKenzie calls the Leafs interest in Bernier legitimate, and says Leafs brass “like Reimer’s game but don’t love it.”

By now you all probably know Reimer’s numbers. He’s played over 100 games, has a career .915sv%, he played well in the playoffs, and just seems to have that temperament that is tailor fit to the Toronto market. There is one glaring issue with Reimer though, and that’s where the goalie hunt comes into play – he hasn’t been able to stay healthy.

When you boil the Bernier interest down, Reimer’s health has to be the main concern for Leafs management here. Since playing junior, Reimer has played over 60 games once and that was during the 2006-07 season. This season Reimer got hurt, last season Reimer got hurt, and the season before that he played a combined 52 games.

So, it seems pretty clear that the Leafs don’t necessarily question his ability to be the guy, but they might question whether he can stay healthy and take on the true starter’s workload that goes along with it. It’s a legitimate concern if you’re Leafs management.

Within that line of thinking, the question then becomes whether or not Bernier is better than Scrivens, and if he is, is it a big enough difference to be worth giving up assets?

Bernier is turning 25 this year and was drafted 11th overall back in 2006. He’s played 115 AHL games putting up a .927sv% and a 2.19GAA, as well as 62 NHL games with a .912sv% and 2.36GAA.

Conversely, Scrivens is turning 27 this year and was an undrafted free agent. He has 94 AHL games under his belt with a .923sv% and 2.18GAA along with 32 games on NHL experience at a .910sv% and 2.86GAA.

Stats aside, Scrivens is bigger than Bernier and also under contract for next year, whereas Bernier will need a new deal.

Anytime Nonis has spoken since the playoffs ended, he has discussed that the team is looking to improve. If they believe Bernier is better than Scrivens – even though the stats are close — then that fits the bill with what he is preaching. Even if they do think Reimer is the real deal, there’s just no way they can go into next season not prepared for a potential Reimer injury.

And that has to be the debate going on within Leafs management right now: Should they keep Scrivens as their 1B, content to have him take the reigns if Reimer goes down, or should they bring in Bernier?

If they do bring in Bernier, Bob McKenzie has said a few times now that the likely cost would be some sort of pick/prospect plus Matt Frattin.

Although I like Frattin and think he’s a good player, losing him isn’t a huge loss especially if Bernier comes in and provides the excellent goaltending he is capable of providing. The unknown pick/prospect aside (which could be significant), you also have to take into account that if the Leafs trade away Frattin they have also lost Leo Komarov to the KHL and Clarke MacArthur is a pending UFA. None of those players played a high-end role on the Leafs, but each were valuable depth contributors that moved up and down the line-up and chipped in some offense.

If the Leafs were to lose all three of those depth players, they would be looking at a bottom six of Jay McClement, Colton Orr, and maybe Nik Kulemin right now, along with some potential Marlies candidates including Joe Colborne. Basically, Nonis would be creating more holes that need to be filled in order to facilitate a position that was, for all intents and purposes, one of their strongest last year.

Plus, Nonis would have to trade Scrivens afterward.

Considering the Leafs have substantially bigger issues at center and defense, it’s a little strange that goalie might be the position the Leafs make noise with first. For all we know they aren’t really interested in Bernier and reporters want those page views, but as Alec said yesterday, we thought the same thing when the Kiprusoff rumours started appearing.

It is a little curious that Nonis would be willing to trade for an unproven goalie considering he did this before in Vancouver to dismal results. Nonis traded a second round pick to Buffalo in exchange for a different young goalie with potential who was drafted in the first round, Mika Noronen. Noronen played four games for Vancouver and got shelled, Nonis decided enough was enough and acquired Luongo that summer, and Noronen stated he didn’t want to be an NHL backup and signed in Russia.

They are different situations, no doubt, but considering the Leafs are in pretty good shape in net at a cheap price, you would figure Nonis has bigger fish to fry.

UPDATE: Jonathan Bernier traded to Leafs

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

    McKenzie is pretty well the one insider I trust. Disappointing to hear the Leafs like Reimer’s game but don’t love it. Maybe it’s the injuries. But to me, that sounds like it’s something about his play.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      I doubt Bernier happens by the way, I think someone like EDM or PHI will forfeit more for Bernier than the Leafs ever would. However it’s disappointing to hear of the Reimer doubt. Silly Silly.
      Between this and the Orr re-signing, Nonis hasn’t exactly SOLD me yet.

      • 4evrblue

        @Clark17 Orr deserved a contract. Guy worked hard to get back into shape and make the club again. 
        As for Bernier, the only thing  that has this making any sense is James’ injury history. I say go get Bernier if thats what they feel is necessary

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

          4evrblue Unlike some I do believe there’s an argument to be made that Orr provides something to the lineup.
          However I would never base an argument for keeping a player around working hard. That’s a pretty low bar.

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

          4evrblue Unlike some I do believe there’s an argument to be made that Orr provides something to the lineup.
          However I would never base an argument for keeping a player around working hard. That’s a pretty low bar.

        • 4evrblue

          @Clark17 4evrblue It would be low bar if it resulted in failure but it didn’t

  • mcloki

    If Bernier does turn out to be a replacement for Scrivens as the rumours of him going to Edmonton suggest. Then I can see the transaction making sense. Eakins knows Scrivens. I’m sure Dallas Eakins is going to poach as much talent from Toronto as he can.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      mcloki Surely a cheap vet can be had from the FA pool without forfeiting assets. If Nonis feels the need to trade anything half significant for Bernier it’s because he wants someone who could potentially start. And the focus should not be on facepunchers and goaltending. It should be on improving the obvious areas of weakness on this  team.

      • mcloki

        @Clark17 mcloki I just can’think of an available name. Also I have to agree with Nonnis on his approach to picking players . Financially the Leafs can sign anyone since they have no money concerns. Waiting to see what gets shaken loose and then pouncing seems like a good plan. 
        As far as facepunchers go. They are set. Goalies. I like Riemer, but his injury situation and our backup situation do concern me.

      • 4evrblue

        @Clark17 mcloki Mike Smith, Dan Ellis and Nabokov still aren’t signed.

        • ProfessorRance

          4evrblue mcloki Smith or Nabokov won’t be cheap though.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          4evrblue mcloki Emery’s interesting too.

        • mcloki

          4evrblue mcloki You think we have a shot at Nabakov?

        • mcloki

          ingy56 4evrblue mcloki Would increase Hummer sales in TO. 😉

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki ingy56 4evrblue Both kinds

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/347832209924837377
    “The minimum salary a CHL player can earn during the 2012-13 season is $345/week.” Sweet. Goodbye journalism!

    • mcloki

      rustynail Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

    • 4evrblue

      rustynail whats the max?

    • dlb eh

      rustynail 
      pretend i fell down a well and was trapped until Timmy found me this morning…what’s this about?  did something change or is this what it’s been already?

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/DarrenDregerhttps://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/347835742615117824
    15 teams or more believed to have interest in Briere once he becomes a buyout UFA. Briere will want a 1-2 year deal. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TSN&src=hash

    • 4evrblue

      rustynail pass

    • Long Sufferin Leaf Fan

      rustynail would love to have Briere on this team but if 15 teams are interested it will be a shit show …

      • Cameron19

        Long Sufferin Leaf Fan rustynail 15 teams are interested in signing him at a discounted rate.

        • rustynail

          Cameron19 Long Sufferin Leaf Fan rustynail of course

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Long Sufferin Leaf Fan rustynail He’s probably only going to consider a couple though.

      • dlb eh

        Long Sufferin Leaf Fan rustynail 
        Brady and Lang…Lang said he’d take Briere…to replace Kulemin :S
        that was the last thing i heard from that station this week … better off driving with the radio off and the windows down so i could hear the traffic.  safer.  something.

  • Long Sufferin Leaf Fan

    when will this nonsense just go away? why in the fuck would we give up assets for a goalie who wants to be a number one, has shittier numbers than Reimer and has numbers similar to our current backup? and we would be giving up Frattin? fuck off

    • whalz

      whats wrong with you? scrivens wants to be a #1 goalie aswell and is an RFA next yr,,,,,,,The media and gms around the league are high on Bernier,,,,,
      reimer has benn great no question, but whos to say when his contract is up that he commands 4mil +? he had a great season last yr however it was a shortened season,,,,,,,,,,these 2 guys would push eachther as a 1a-1b tandem

  • whalz

    i dont get why most of you are concerned with losing frattin and maybe a 2nd rd pick for BERNIER,,,,,, he has alot of upside and will push Reimer, and ANTHONY, it wont be hard to replace a 3rd line winger if Fratts is dealt……

    • Anthony Petrielli

      @whalz It’s Frattin, MacArthur and Komarov at this point… As I noted.

      • newkb

        Anthony Petrielli One little concept at a time…..not 3.  Hahaha….

  • mike_84

    I’m fine with getting Bernier. As he has a higher ceiling then Reims(supposedly). I wouldn’t pay an are in a leg for him. If the deal makes sense you do it. I would think Scrivens would be traded right away if this move happened. Still think Scrivens ends up in EDM.

    • whalz

      i agree, im sure before NONIS pulls the trigger he has something lined up, and EDM would be a great team to deal with

  • Leafbites

    I don’t believe it’s unnecessary or strange to be looking to improve the most important position on the roster. Whether it’s the workload, an injury past, or for whatever reason. If the braintrust believe this goalie will improve that position, then why not pursue.

    • whalz

      exactly

  • dlb eh

    hmm…i do love Frattin.  i did say MacArthur was the type of position i’d like to see upgraded with a Clarkson type
    …but if Bernier is better than Scrivens (a.  i don’t know.  b.  i am not on the Scrivens bandwagon.  c.  Reimer’s health is the question, not his ability) …
    team = Mac + Bernier + (Clarkson) > Frattin + Scrivens + (Clarkson)
    cap = $$ + $$ + ($$$) < $ + $ + ($$$)
    maybe?
    goaltending always the biggest impact
    still, i really want to see us build a better D.  get Gunnarsson to the 2nd defensive-assignment/pk pair without hurting the mobility and toughness of the group and i’m happier.  tough nut to crack.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    If we move Frattin PLUS for Bernier I might not be able to resist the urge to go kick Nonis in the nuts.

    • rustynail

      Alec Brownscombe I’ll pay your cab fare

      • Burtonboy

        rustynail Alec Brownscombe I’ll pay the tip for the csbbie

        • skiingallday

          Burtonboy rustynail Alec Brownscombe I’ll pay for the steel-toed boots

    • whalz

      why? your concerned about a 3rd line 25yr old? just resign Mac then or look to upgrade with Clarkson or Horton?

    • dlb eh

      Alec Brownscombe 
      haha, it all depends on what he follows it up with
      between Frattin and Leo we’d be missing a lot of heavy hitting

    • phaneufoundlander

      Agreed AB, ppl tend to forget how good Fratty was before the knee operation to clean up fragments..the kid looked like a gem, 9 goals in 10 games I believe? I think he can be a steady 25-35 goal scorer….go for a goalie vet, forget Bernier and save our youth and picks