Marlies Open Thread

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Marlies Open Thread
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Where it’s been positive information overall coming out of the CHL when it comes to Leafs prospects, the same can’t be said for the NHL hopefuls currently plying their trade with the Marlies one month into the AHL season.

While the Marlies came back in resounding fashion last night, finally finding some offense to the tune of four third period goals, it was no thanks to the prospects we were hoping to take the next step or at least challenge for it in Joe Colborne, Nazem Kadri, or Ben Scrivens (no disrespect to Carter Ashton, who it was nice to see make an impact last night).

Playing on a line together, Kadri and Colborne were up to absolutely nothing last night and were pointless in a game featuring six Marlie goals. Kadri has just 3 assists in 9 games this season, while Colborne has four assists and also hasn’t scored yet. Ben Scrivens’ numbers are less than flattering through six games and I wouldn’t describe him as playing well in any game since the season opener.

Let’s turn this over to Anthony Petrielli, with some thoughts on the Kadri and Colborne scratching and the Marlies’ struggles:

Nazem Kadri and Joe Colborne played on a line together last night, and are both being healthy scratched for the Marlies game tonight. It’s early in the season, and wouldn’t be getting this much attention if the NHL season was on like it should be, but it’s still noteworthy.

This is a time when Kadri and Colborne have management and coaches full attention, and due to that they should be taking advantage of it and showing everyone why they are both NHL ready. Instead, both have struggled out of the gate. It is worth pointing out that most players on the team are underachieving too, but at the same time, most players don’t have the potential or expectations that either Kadri or Colborne do. That’s just the reality of the situation.

Both have been placed on a variety of different lines, whether it be Kadri playing with Aucoin, McKegg or Zigomanis on different units, or Colborne centering wingers like Komarov, Ashton, and even Kadri too. On one hand, it’s understandable why Eakins has been moving pieces around because he needs to find line combos and his team has largely been in a funk. Conversely, it can make it tough for players to find consistency and build rapports with their line mates. It’s an age old debate in hockey.

The weight of not scoring has clearly gotten to Kadri as he’s gotten back to being a little too
individualistic. At one point last night against Houston, he tried to go through three opposing players at the offensive blueline. When a player is struggling, the best thing to do is usually just keep it simple, get in on the forecheck, put pucks on net, go to the net, etc. Kadri tends to hold onto the puck more when he isn’t scoring. Instead, Kadri should be doing things like this.

He’ll snap out of it though, he’s too good not to. He did have a nice hit against Abbotsford, by the way.

Joe Colborne simply hasn’t been getting dirty enough. He’s losing puck along the wall, not getting to the front of the net enough, and has only 11 shots in nine games. That’s not nearly good enough for a player of his talent and size. Maybe we’ll see something when Colborne returns that suggests when he gets pissed off he uses his size effectively and dominates, but to this point, we have rarely seen that from him and it definitely leaves something to be desired. I would be remiss, however, if I didn’t point out against Abbotsford I saw him put the puck between a defender’s legs, dance around him to the outside, then get robbed by the goalie on a wraparound attempt.

More than anything, as you can probably gather, both players have been too cute. They have each been getting some chances, but the Marlies rightfully expect more, and right now they are benching them because of that. The Marlies have a deep team, but these two should still be leaders on it. Gardiner is clearly just that on the backend, and you can plainly see he’s an NHL player in a lower league… Kadri and Colborne haven’t shown that kind of dominance or superiority yet, this year.

One player I did want to point out quickly is Spencer Abbott. Signed out of Maine last year,
Abbott has found himself watching a lot of games so far this year due to Toronto’s depth, but he’s gotten some chances lately to play and he has looked very, very good. In the first period alone against Houston, he setup Aucoin and Komarov for one-timers in the slot that both missed, and also had a ridiculous behind the back pass to Aucoin in the second. Even with none of those passes being buried, he still notched two assists. Abbott hasn’t shot much yet, but man can he really move the puck. He thinks the game at an extremely high level and is someone to definitely keep an eye on.

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  • hometeem

    anyone else read ron macleans book?
    thoughts? I found it interesting how he thinks of himself as a wild and crazy guy

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  • Burtonboy

    1/2  That place are nothing more then corporate sponsors . I don’t even consider them fans of any sort really. Just a nice place to entertain clients ( sad indeed)

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  • Tim Horton

     Yeah, after being here for so long sometimes I forget not everyone is such a huge hockey fan… There was a new guy a work who I started making smalltalk with. I Asked if he was a hockey fan, he says yeah, I am a HUGE Leaf fan… I started talking about Komarov and Reilly and he was like…. who?

    I guess they have never actually played for the Leafs before so I can’t blame him… But come on, how can you not know Reilly…

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  • Burtonboy

    I’ve been thinking about picking that up . Good read ?

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  • hometeem

    very good read imo, quick read, he came off a lot diff than i expected, a real genuine guy

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  • Burtonboy

    Might pick it up next time I get to Chapters then 

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  • Anthony Petrielli

    I think there are some interesting stories in there. It’s not a must-read, but it’s solid.

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  • Anthony Petrielli

    I think there are some interesting stories in there. It’s not a must-read, but it’s solid.

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  • Burtonboy

    Thanks …sounds like it worth a few bucks 

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  • Anthony Petrielli

    It’s been discussed here, and a few other places, but Behind The Moves is still the best hockey book of all-time. It’s not even close. 

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  • Burtonboy

    Is that out in the book stores yet I wonder or is it still only sold online ?

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  • Anthony Petrielli

    Online as far as I know. It’s pricey, but I think it’s worth it. The things you learn about hockey from that book… just can’t put it into words. 

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  • Burtonboy

    The price doesn’t matter that much ……. I was going to order it actually but just didn’t get around to it. Thanks for the reminder cause I kinda forgotten all about it.  Must remind the wife that XMAS is coming lol

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  • Anthony Petrielli

    Haha, definitely throw that on the Xmas list. If there’s one thing to ever trust me on, it’s the greatness of that book. 

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  • Burtonboy

    I see Mr. Biggs was on the score sheet again in a big way last night . Did you catch any highlights ?

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  • Anthony Petrielli

    Unfortunately I didn’t. He’s adjusting well to the OHL though. Frankly, the second half of the season/playoffs/WJC is when I’ll be much more interested in him because by then he’ll have had enough time to work on his game, figure out the league, and that’s when the hockey picks up. 

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  • Waiting4LSC

    Over the last few days I was becoming much more optimistic about a season. The NHL seemed to be conciliatory in new proposals. I believed (uninformed) the owners proposal for Make Whole, was just that, but no, as usual, it was not. Despite the existing CBA terms, when a player enters into a contract, the general concept is “Acting in Good Faith”.  For me, if I were a player I would want my contract fully honored, as was the intent at signing. If the NHL requires 50:50 on HRR immediately, then this is obviously an important “quid pro quo”.  If there is a sense of urgency, I would have expected negotiation to take strides not these half gestures. If the USAToday article is to be believed, Fehr is keeping the Players directly involved, and I would bet their sense of frustration is what is keeping the divisiveness going.  The owners have created most of the dis functionality at the center of this. Yes the HRR percentage needs to come down, yes the cap floor needs to be on a more sound economic base, but when the “business” is growing, and the expectation is one of continual growth, Dickensian economics is not going to be embraced by the Players. I am ready for a lost year, I am behind the Players.

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  • Burtonboy

    Here’s some good reading for you because I think this could very well be the end game . 

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/donald-fehr-nhl-tormentor-controlling-cba-negotiation-162512018–nhl.html#more-44523

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  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    You think this will eventually lead to the removal of the salary cap??

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  • Damian

    Only Monahan and Galchenyuk are younger than Conner Brown of the 13 players ahead of him in the OHL standings.  

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  • Burtonboy

    I think that’s the end game for the PA yes…. plus they have fire in their eyes when it comes to Bettman. IMO its a grudge match because of 2005

    EDIT : Hope like fuck I’m wrong though

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  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    If that’s the end game for the PA….we ain’t gonna see hockey for a long, long time. Aside from that, I wonder how long it takes Fehr to fetch a glass of water.

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  • Burtonboy

    That was really amusing lol

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    About as long as it takes for the owners to blink.

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    I dunno about that.  I think the players in the NHL understand that the cap is necessary to expand the business.  Take away the cap and you midas well fold about 8 franchises and all the jobs that go with them.

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