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Kadri feeling distracted, Nonis confident Phaneuf is here to stay

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Dion Phaneuf

Straight into the links..

Kadri’s self belief is stalling negotiations
What a facepalm of a title that is from Simmons.

Kadri sounding increasingly impatient (The Star) & Contract talks with the Leafs are becoming a distraction for Kadri (TSN)
If he’d just quit believing in himself already this could be done. Seriously, everyone should respect Kadri’s point that the cap issues are not his concern.

Nonis on Phaneuf: “no reason to think he won’t be here for the long run.”
After every major insider reported murmurs of Phaneuf being in play, and despite the speculation that Nonis’ “no untouchables talk” meant Phaneuf was on the outs, Nonis sounds completely confident Phaneuf is here for the long haul.

Andrew MacWilliam is #19 in TLN’s Prospect Countdown
Here’s a guy Leaf management has gone out of their way to mention for a few years now, dating back to Brian Burke and as recently as our interview with Hughes.

Tony Cameranesi comes in at #14 over at PPP
More prospect reading.

ICYMI, some good Leaf artwork: Clarkson on the THN cover and Bernier’s new mask.

 

446 comments
HeatherRickAkin
HeatherRickAkin

This has no doubt been stated already, but, if either Kadri or Franson get shipped elsewhere, we really have to question managements ability to plan . Burke wanted both of these guys ....lets hope that Nonis doesn't blow it. I don't think he will lose either one , but if he does , and JM Liles is still around, ....well, you fill in the blanks.

LeafsGuru
LeafsGuru

I think Nonis would be smart to sign Riemier now to an extension at 3.2 to 3.5 mil a year for 3 yrs. if he turn's out to be a back up to Beriner its much easier to trade a player under contract for a good return, plus if the leafs are having a good season they would not trade him till the draft next year, and you won't get much for someone then, if there not under contract.

rustynail
rustynail

Jays winning % now down to .449 below finish last season and lots of time to go even lower

whalz
whalz

so guys what do you think KESSEL/ DION resign for?

PK 8yrs, 7.75?

DION 5yrs 6.5?

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@rustynail Why hasn't Gibbons been fired?  He can't do much about poor pitching, but this sort of nonsense is on him as far as I'm concerned.  He has lost control of that bench, assuming he ever had it.  Cito still around?

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@whalz Kessel gets 8 x 8, at which point Nonis begins to wonder whether he can afford Dion at 6.5

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

@whalz i think we can get kessel at 7.5M per (8 years/ 60M) and thats good for DIon

Savo43
Savo43

@whalz id be coo widdat

Cameron19
Cameron19

@MaxwellHowe Oh, and he can easily afford both of them at any of the numbers being realistically discussed. The question is whether or not he could afford Kulemin, and how quickly he'll trade Reimer.  

Cameron19
Cameron19

@MaxwellHowe Although he could get more than 8 on the market, I think he will take in the 7.5 range to stay with the team and help keep the group together. Phaneuf should stay the same, but I could see him getting a bump to 7 - which to me isn't a significant enough amount to be concerning - even though many on here will complain endlessly. 

whalz
whalz

also, Tucker and Colby are off the books next yr and the cap will rise..all good as the core group will all be resigned

whalz
whalz

u forsee this? kinda like the issue hes having with franson and kadri....

whalz
whalz

aslong as he doesnt get 8+ im cool with it

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@rustynail @MaxwellHowe I can't fault AA for taking a shot and spending the cash.  He saw weakness in the Sox and Yankees and went for it.  No, hiring AA is what I would say was his biggest mistake

The_Polish_Cannon
The_Polish_Cannon

@whalz I don't know, it'd be tough for me to see him go. He's one of the most, if not the most, versatile players on our team. His work along the boards is top notch and is not given enough credit on scoring plays. His defensive game is well known and he's also proven he can perform when played on a scoring line

whalz
whalz

good point Cam...Im hoping some of those prospects can make someone like Kuly expedable.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@MaxwellHowe @Cameron19 Yep, especially during these crunch years.  Realistically, we're hoping that someone on the farm can come up and replace Kulemin within the next couple seasons anyways - be it D'Amigo, Ashton, Biggs, Leivo, Broll, Gauthier, or some combination of them, so spending 3+ million on him (I suspect he'll command 3.5-4.0 on the market) would be ill-advised. 

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Gunnar is harder to move, because even though we have depth at D, counting on prospective D-men is far less wise than counting on young forwards. 

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe Fair enough, these may be the guys sacrificed.  In fact, when you put it like that, its a surprise Kulimen hasn't already been traded.  I believe you have argued that Gunnar and Kuli are the logical guys to go.  Seems the new CBA puts the mid range players in a tough spot.  You end up with teams with 2-3 stars and a supporting crew of grinders

daveybolland
daveybolland

@Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe All I know is we better not pick up Bernier for 2.9 and Clarkson for 5.25 and then say Phaneuf should be gone because of $500,000-1,000,000/yr

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz But if Broll replaces McLaren, that's a savings of 0.1 million. It's so little, it's not really worth worrying about.  I also just think it's unlikely. Broll will probably play in the minors for a couple years with the occasional call-up.  It sounds like Spott also expects him to develop an offensive game, as well, so I don't think he'll be pigeon-holed as a McLaren replacement and brawler. 

whalz
whalz

true, but i think Broll would replace Mclaren....i like orr for fighting but would rather a hitting machine like d'amigo or broll out on that 4th line

Cameron19
Cameron19

@rustynail @Cameron19 Detroit, Washington, Pittsburgh - anyone that pays attention and knows he could easily score 50 points or more in a top six, or 40 points playing top shutdown minutes. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz No, I don't think that about Kulemin at all.  But even as a 40 point winger who plays against top lines he's worth more than 2.75 by a fair margin. Boyd Gordon got more than that to play on the 4th line 

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And no, Orr and McLaren not on the team doesn't make any space because those spots need to be replaced.  And we aren't going to lose both of them, so you might as well get used to them - Carlyle loves his enforcers. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz Then he will be traded.  Nonis can plan all he likes, but what happens on the ice determines value - not what he thinks. 

whalz
whalz

and for Reimer, NONIS didnt give up all thise assets to have Bernier on the bench and reimer making 4=mil...Reimer will be3 mil or so or traded imo...

whalz
whalz

a 3rd liner doesnt deserve more than that,,,you keep thinking he will return to that 30g scorer 3yrs ago...he is a solid 3rd line power fwd who will pot 10g a yr.....Orr and Mclaren not on this team this yr gives us what another 1.6m in space? seems to me that every dollar is important to signing key pieces....that extra 1.6 mil would help in the kadri or franson situation this yr

Cameron19
Cameron19

@whalz You're not getting Kulemin even close to that cheap, in my opinion.  Reimer will command somewhere in the 4 million range, as will Gardiner - perhaps more.  It also doesn't matter if you get rid of one of Orr or McLaren because they both make next to nothing anyways and their spots would need to be replaced by someone who would make roughly the same, so it's not really a savings. 

whalz
whalz

gards 3-3.5mil

whalz
whalz

true, but the cap will rise and i think Ranger is just a fill in anyways to bide some time for Reilly or Granberg

Bolland 3.5

kuly 2.75

reimer will be traded or resigned @2.8

Colborne 900k

and i expect Orr or Mclaren gone aswell

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

@MaxwellHowe @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 

Don't discount Ranger and Bolland either though.  Ranger was specifically told...1 yr 1 million and then the big money will come...and Bolland is already making 3.37.  Both will be UFA to boot (though I'm assuming both to re-sign with a hometown discount if at all possible).  My point is...it's not just Kessel and Dion to put pen to paper with next summer.  Nonis will have it work cut out for him.  I do have faith though (in Nonis I trust).

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@whalz Maybe I am a pessimist, but 8 million adds 2.6 to Kessel's cap hit, and while the salaries you mention do come off, there are the other free agents to sign.  Bolland, Ranger, Kulimen, Reimer, Colborne

Waiting4LSC
Waiting4LSC

Rusty, I'm out, need to get Naz his $2.75.. ;)

Waiting4LSC
Waiting4LSC

I'd like to raise you, $8.25, good sir, :)

Savo43
Savo43

@whalz 8.175 is my max for Felipe Kessel lol.