Morning Mashup: Drafting in the 8 spot

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Photo: Terry Wilson/OHL Images

No miracles in yesterday’s draft lottery.

Here’s the history of the eighth overall pick dating back to 1990:

DraftPlayerPositionGPPts
2011Sean CouturierF20581
2010Alex BurmistrovF19458
2009Scott GlennieF10
2008Mikkel BoedkerF338146
2007Zach HamillF204
2006Peter MuellerF297160
2005Devin SetoguchiF459249
2004Alxandre PicardF672
2003Braydon CoburnD575157
2002Pierre-Marc BouchardF593356
2000Nikita AlexeevF15937
1999Taylor PyattF859280
1998Mark BellF450182
1997Sergei SamsonovF888571
1996Johnathan AitkenD441
1995Terry RyanF80
1994Jason WiemerF726202
1993Niklas SundstromF750349
1992Brandon ConveryF7228
1991Richard MatvichukD796178
1990Derian HatcherD1045331

The top 20 prospects per the March ISS rankings:

RankPlayerPositionBirthShotHeightWeightTeamLeague2013-14 GPPts
1Ekblad, AaronD2/7/1996R6.03.5216BarrieOHL5853
2Reinhart, SamC11/6/1995R6.00.75185KootenayWHL60105
3Bennett, SamLW6/20/1996L6.00.25178KingstonOHL5791
4Dal Colle, MichaelC6/20/1996L6.01.5182OshawaOHL6795
5Nylander, WilliamC5/1/1996R5.11169ModoSweE5734
6Draisaitl, LeonC10/27/1995L6.01.5204Prince AlbertWHL64105
7Perlini, BrendanLW4/27/1996L6.02.75205NiagaraOHL5871
8Virtanen, JakeLW8/17/1996R6.00.75208CalgaryWHL7171
9Tuch, AlexRW5/10/1996R6.03.5213USA Under-18NTDP2632
10Fleury, HaydnLD7/8/1996L6.02.5203Red DeerWHL7046
11Ho-Sang, JoshuaRW1/22/1996R5.11175WindsorOHL6785
12Ritchie, NicholasLW12/5/1995L6.02.25226PeterboroughOHL6174
13Kapanen, KasperiRW7/23/1996R6.00180KuopioFinE4714
14Ehlers, NikolajLW2/14/1996L5.11162HalifaxQMJHL63104
15McCann, JaredC5/31/1996L6.00.25179S.S. MarieOHL6462
16Larkin, DylanLW7/30/1996L6.00.75190USA Under-18NTDP2626
17McKeown, RolandD1/20/1996R6.00.75195KingstonOHL6243
18Milano, SonnyLW5/12/1996L5.11.5183USA Under-18NTDP2539
19Goldobin, NikolayRW10/7/1995L5.11.75178SarniaOHL6794

Nick Ritchie is going to get a lot of play in Leafland because he’s this draft’s “next Lucic,” while Jared McCann should also be the center (wink) of much discussion as he might the best natural pivot available if the Leafs remain in the eight spot and he’s also an Ontario boy.

Bob McKenzies Top 10 NHL Draft Prospects

Hump day links…

  • Great Dane

    It is about time that the Leafs draft skill and talent.
    When we draft players with a lot of talent like Rielly and Kadri it goes well. When we draft big and strong like Schenn and Biggs it is total disappointment.
    Actually don’t care who we draft as long as the talent and hockey IQ is off the charts.
    Then give Thommie Bergman more picks, he always finds a lot of good prospect for the Leafs.

  • leafdreamer

    There’s no place of birth column in this chart.  How are we supposed to know who’s a good Ontariah boy and who isn’t?

  • Great Dane

    https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke

    https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/456227091877335040

    Looking forward to the Panthers hiring Carlyle as coach and him influencing Tallon to trade the 1st overall pick for Bozak
    This is really funny – I would force them to take Orr as well. LOL

  • Great Dane

    leafdreamer     ROFL 

    So we draft in this order:   Good Ontariah boys; size; Good Ontariah boys  then if any picks left talent and hockey IQ.

    I got it LOL

  • leafdreamer

    Great Dane  or you could say that we got JVR for Schenn and that Biggs was 20th pick or something while Rielly and Kadri were in the top 10.

  • Great Dane

    leafdreamer JVR for Schenn was unbelievable lucky or compensation for the Raycroft for Rask deal.
    We could have done a lot better than Biggs with that pick.

  • leafdreamer

    Great Dane  It actually wouldn’t be a bad idea for this team to get bigger – we’ve been getting pushed around again.  Schenn led the league in hits and he could fight.  He may yet emerge as a solid stay-at home defenseman.  He’s playing on a playoffs-bound team….

  • Great Dane

    leafdreamer   I don’t mind big players as long as they have talent. Lukic is the best example because he – and I hate to say it – is a very good hockey player.
    First you look at the talent and hockey IQ; then look at age; then take the bigger players.
    Not the other way round

  • leafdreamer

    Great Dane leafdreamer  sure man.. I just don’t think it’s fair to compare a 22nd overall to 7th.  Also, jury is still out on all these guys.  It’s not like the Leafs have a tradition of drafting big over skilled – it’s just the last two drafts and it’s not like there was a Crosby to be had anywhere around where they were picked.

  • Great Dane

    leafdreamer Great Dane  We could have drafted Booner Jenner, Saad, Niklas Jensen or Jurco.

    Even Josh Leivo – our own draft at 86 – has done better.

  • WendelGilmour

    I haven’t seen a lot of the prospects, but I have seen enough to know comparing Richie to Biggs is not a good comparison. The only commonality is size. Richie has great hands, quick accurate shot.

  • Burtonboy

    WendelGilmour  You’ve seen him play I take it WG ?

  • WendelGilmour

    Not a lot, Bboy, but what I have seen made these things fairly obvious. I hear a lot about Virtanen being similar.

  • Kouba

    The 8th overalls list is not that impressive… screaming for a ppg player, so I think this will be the time and we will be lucky.

    A lot of solid NHLers though.

  • 4evrblue

    Kouba This is still said to be a weak draft. I’m not expecting anything close to a PPG player. A future 2nd liner would be nice though.

  • Kouba

    4evrblue Koubasorry that I try to spred some positives in these days….so at least 0.5 ppg, deal?

    on a serious note: if Ehlers is there at 8th does he have potential for ppg?

  • 4evrblue

    Kouba 4evrblue Oh yeah definitely, could challenge Gretzky for the all time points title. Guy is going to be a perennial all star hall of famer hart richard conn smyth art ross trophy winner
    Sorry for trying to bring a level of realistic expectations to a fanbase that consistently bashes its prospects for not being top line talents as soon as their drafted. I’ll join you in dream land from now on

  • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

    Great Dane leafdreamer  yeah Biggs was a “Saad”  pick…

  • Optimistic Otis

    IMO Sam Bennett would be the best fit for Toronto’s needs. And, there is a very good chance that our leafs can trade up in this draft. EDM will want a Dman and with Ekblad off the board at 1, they could afford to trade down to 8 and still get Fluery. Perhaps the Oil would be interested in the Leafs rights to Franson and the 8 for Sam Bennett. Alternatively, if the Oil want to take Draisaitl like most experts are mocking today, perhaps Mr Burke in Calgary would be interested in our 8th and some of his handiwork (Biggs or Franson or Lupul, Phanuef in a bigger deal or maybe Kessel for two firsts and a second…)

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/Jon_Dwyer · https://twitter.com/Jon_Dwyer/status/456258873788497920
    Met the future of https://twitter.com/MapleLeafs at https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Barberians&src=hash tonight big things ahead! https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Toronto&src=hash

  • Kouba

    4evrblue Koubalol I like your sarcasm but I had no harsh intentions with my answer, I realize that the generation talent is not there, but it would be nice to pick a better guy than Mark Bell, I would be pleased with a useful top six 0.5 ppg player, preferably C

    I am just a sorry euro fan but I follow the Leafs for like 15 years so I have already learned to expect nothing. I just ask someone, who has the possibility to see junior hockey in Canada, if the guy has the potential, in all seriousness

  • MaxwellHowe

    Soooo, only about 1700 hours until the draft.  We’ll have the prospects picked apart by then

  • Burtonboy

    MaxwellHowe  Going to try to pick up some CHL playoff games and the Mem cup . See how some of these guys perform

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/rfan_3 https://twitter.com/rfan_3/status/456397914974081024
    Nick Ritchie 2013-2014 OHL Highlights: http://t.co/VSJyACByMl

  • FRyan

    I have to say the islanders would be stupid to let their draft pick go this year if its Michael Del Colle. He has been lights out this year for the Oshawa Generals

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    FRyan  Next year is the McDavid draft though.

  • FRyan

    ingy56 FRyan  
    The islanders wont be sniffing anywhere near the top of the draft. The only reason the islanders threw in the towel is because tavares got injured this year

  • Burtonboy

    ingy56 FRyan  Depends whether NYI consider this yr a one off or whether they think they will suck again next yr .

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    FRyan ingy56  They just have to finish out of the playoffs and they have a chance. It’s the Islanders, anything’s possible.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    CanuckUKinToronto ingy56 FRyan  It’s a lottery, anything’s possible. With Snow at the helm I wouldn’t take anything for granted.

  • MaxwellHowe

    ingy56 FRyan How do you explain this to your season ticket holders (all 50 of them)?  Yeah, we figure we’ll be worse next year???

  • MaxwellHowe

    CanuckUKinToronto MaxwellHowe ballparked it.  about 70 days X 24

  • MaxwellHowe

    CanuckUKinToronto New owners, new goalie (Reimer) they’ll probably finish right behind the Pens in the Atlantic next year.  Lots of good young players and prospects over there.

  • HeatherRickAkin

    Barring trading or switching draft picks in round one (possible, not probable),  I have been thinking that Hayden Fleury looks like a very solid kid to grab at # 8 . He is a large defenceman who reportedly plays a very good game behind his own blueline (may not fit in with our present group) , he skates well, and has a decent, improving offensive game (skating puck out of his zone, or puck passing skills) . As much as we know that the Leaf defence crew needs to move out one or two pieces , and upgrade via trading (very hard to do) or through our farm system , this kid offers better talent than anyone we have in our farm system . He projects to e , at minimum, a top four defenceman. So, I was sold on Fleury . Then I read something that someone wrote on that big Ritchie being “the next Lucic ”   ….drool, drool, drool ……..

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    MaxwellHowe ingy56 FRyan  Same way they explained that stupid trade I suppose.

  • Wilbur

    Burtonboy  Saw Ritchie on TV a couple of times this year. I like him. He’s a skilled player in a big man’s body. The guys on TSN last night were saying his main issue is the lack of consistency in his mean/tough game. But that’s not really his game. He reminds me of John LeClair. LeClair was big and strong as an ox but he wasn’t a fighter or a mean guy. That’s not to say he never dropped the gloves. LeClair was a big man that played a big man’s game – strong on his feet, standing in front of the net, driving the net, cycling the puck, leaning on opposition players. He also had an excellent shot and deceptive speed. Ritchie brings all those things. Yes, he likes to throw his weight around and drop the gloves from time to time. Right now he’s a bit of a “man amongst boys” but that will change as he jumps levels in hockey. If the Leafs were to draft him it shouldn’t be because of his “meanness” or willingness to fight. It should be because he has the ability to do what LeClair did in the NHL.

  • LeafFan15

    I believe we have too much grit in our farm system and adding Ritchie would not be a smart thing to do. Imo we should go for Ehlers. We need more skilled guys on the system.

  • Mind Bomb

    Good morning Folks

  • LeafFan15

    Mind Bomb  Rise n Shine 😉

  • Mind Bomb

    LeafFan15 Mind Bomb  Its Wake and Vape Time ! :)

  • Burtonboy

    Wilbur Burtonboy  If he becomes a John LeClair some team is getting one really good player.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    Mind Bomb  Morning MB

  • Burtonboy

    Mind Bomb  Morning MB

  • MaxwellHowe

    Mind Bomb mornin bro

  • Wilbur

    Burtonboy Wilbur  Absolutely. I’m not saying he’ll become that. A lot of hope and hype goes around at this time of year :) I’m just saying I see him as more that type than the Lucic type. Everyone is hoping to find a Lucic. He’s pretty stinkin’ unique. I wouldn’t want folks disappointed if he doesn’t turn out to be the second coming of Lucic. But he ought to be able to play the type of big man’s game that this organization is still lacking.

  • Mind Bomb

    LeafFan15   Morning Bro, just a Suggestion, But using a High First rounder on a Winger, which with JVR and Kes locked long term we will not need for quite some time. We do however, need a 1C and a 1D, which has been proven, we can not obtain in UFA or trade. So I submit we should be packaging that pick to move up. and screw the cost. We Need the Top D or one of the top two Centers. 

    IMHO

  • HeatherRickAkin

    LeafFan15 there’s the paradox…lots of grit on the farm, with little pure talent. Up with the Leafs, no grit, but quite a bit of pure talent . So, if you grab Ehlers, he may  look like Kessel on the farm , but we really don’t need another Kessel. No offence to Phil…I love the guy… but we need high end guys like Toews, who are also snarly.

  • maple1967leafs

    I believe this team could use a small but relentless player,Teams tend to rally around little guys and the refs seem to give them a bit more leeway.

  • Loric76

    Are the Leafs fixed yet?

  • Mind Bomb

    HeatherRickAkin LeafFan15  We need Ekblad, Bennet or Reinhart :)