(Saturday Mashup) Goodbye HNIC, Hello Off Season

(Saturday Mashup) Goodbye HNIC, Hello Off Season

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Say what you will about the commentary of Jim Hughson or Glen Healy (it’s awful), but to wave goodbye to Saturday night HNIC tradition as we’ve known it for our entire lifetimes is going to be a heck of a loss.

Nothing could have hammered that home harder than the closing montage last night.

In related news, congratulations to the 2014 Stanley Cup Champion LA Kings.  Two more Cups in 3 years than the Leafs have in the last 47.

Life’s not fair.

 

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Jason
Jason

Pathetic mashup... Just skip it next time unless you find substance to write about.

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

So...is this the Mashup thread we are supposed to post in (instead of the more recent threat that is not a Mashup for which I can't do a wake n' vape)??


Cameron19
Cameron19

For the record, I'm not saying COL will be letting Stastny go, or trading Ryan O'Reilly. I'm just saying I find it to be a definite possibility given their financial history. 

dlb Mad
dlb Mad

@CanuckUKinToronto 

i wonder if that will be the same next generation

a huge portaion of Leafs fans right now are people who may have witnessed the good years, and their sons and daughters.

their sons and daughters have had a tougher time the last decade getting their sons and daughters off the CHI and PIT flavour of the year.

this is just an assumption for argument's sake.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd That's all nonsense though. If you go by those numbers than the Panthers and Coyotes are selling out nearly every game, too. Plus, even if accurate, there's nothing saying that ownership feels the need to reinvest that money after years of losing money. 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Mind Bomb Well to kick off Father's day, I had a call after midnight to pick up my very drunk 17 year old daughter...Had to carry her from the car to put her to bed..  it can only get better today..

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@Dewy Keon Hogturd And its likely to be a bit higher then that too. This yr aside the cap is going way up in subsequent yr.

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd Money. They have been a floor team with an owner that refuses to spend more. This has been an on-going criticism of that group for over a decade now. 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Dewy Keon Hogturd The question is with Duchene at $6m long term and Landeskog at $5.5m long term do they want to sign ROR and Statsny to $6m+ each long term?  (ROR as RFA could have one more bridge).. In 2 yrs they will want to lock up MacKinnon so that would be a large amount on forwards when they also have Varlomov for 5 more years at $5.9


They need defense.. so maybe part with one of ROR or Stastny to spend the money there

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@CanuckUKinToronto @Mind Bomb  Thats Awesome news bro, she was smart enough and trusted her dad enough to Call when drunk,or here friends were ?  in this day and age , hell in our day in age, drinking happened at 17. 


If my daughter calls me when drunk, instead of the alternatives, I will take that every day of the week my friend


no offense intended 



Cameron19
Cameron19

@CanuckUKinToronto @Dewy Keon Hogturd Yes, allocation of funds is a big part of it. Their top six defenders cost them 11M last season. One way or another, that number is going to increase dramatically, either because they keep up the good play and earn gigantic raises, or because they had to invest more money there. When that happens, having 5 forwards at 6M will be troublesome for a team that doesn't like to spend. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd The fact that it came from the NHL site is what makes it nonsense. They constantly report way higher numbers than reality. Just watch the games and you can see how empty the arenas are, yet they're getting reported as near-sellouts. 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Dewy Keon Hogturd All depends-  do they own or lease arena-  cost of lease for those games- vs. if own loss of income for renting out for concert etc.. (net difference).. The thing is they were a break even team BEFORE they paid ROR $6m and paid Varlamov... 


So, odds are they are still that.. If they want to win to get more playoff games, they will invest in D.. otherwise, this year will be more of an anomaly.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Mind Bomb @CanuckUKinToronto No offense taken.. Her friends called and texted..

So when I got there she was screaming for her dad to help her..  Main thing was ensuring safety.. Deal with discussions later..  Lucky I hadn't been drinking and unable to drive..lol

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd Perhaps. But even when the team was regularly good, they were still cheap. I look at it from Stastny's perspective, and I think the biggest reason he might leave is because he foresees what I just said above - the team is going to have to invest in defense at some point. A year or two down the road, and one of their forwards is going to get traded for a defender. So basically, he's asking himself now if he wants to choose the team he goes to, or if he wants to let COL do it, and get dragged through a bajillion trade rumors and a season of questions. Because when they want to make that trade, he will be the guy they point to, being the oldest. 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Dewy Keon Hogturd See my valuation point.- If you are a break even team, you budget the income streams and manage accordingly... They will also want to make money at some point too

Loric76
Loric76

@Cameron19 @Dewy Keon Hogturd I agree with you Cam - they won't spend the money and will drop one of their C.  That said, calling out the NHL attendance records is about the weakest argument you've ever made

Cameron19
Cameron19

@CanuckUKinToronto @Dewy Keon Hogturd They lease the arena, I'm pretty sure. A couple years ago they were having a hard time making the payments. 


I know the owner is super mega rich, but these guys didn't get rich by just throwing their money around. He obviously doesn't use his own personal wealth to supplement the teams' budget. I'm not sure why people expect he would. 

Ydargo
Ydargo

They would've cashed in on the 4 playoff home games this year..........I might be mistaken but playoff games are where teams make some good money

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd In the playoffs, sure. They make sure not to get embarrassed then. But all season long the NHL reports nonsense about their gate figures. The truth comes out when we got to a lockout. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd I don't think ownership groups care about making or losing a few million dollars every year. The reason they own the team is to gain the long-term value from the increase in franchise value. The Avs in particular have acted this way for a long time now. It's possible that could change now with them turning the corner though, as you say - I'm just not holding my breath. If we were Avs fans, cynical as we are, we'd be getting ready to part with someone significant right about now. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@CanuckUKinToronto @Cameron19 Hypothetical situation: You can trade Kadri for a good young defender, or you get the opportunity to package him with Clarkson for an older, but still good forward....what do you do? We need the defender more right now, and adding a young player is clearly preferable - but moving an albatross might serve us better in a lot of other ways. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd Several million per game is only for the big franchises. There's a pretty wide spectrum there. Phoenix is still struggling to sell all their tickets in the playoffs, so it's not like they're jacking the prices up to unreasonable levels. 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Dewy Keon Hogturd About $2m per game.. as revenue sharing.. 7 game series are cash cows... However, their payroll also went up and will go up by more than that amount

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@Cameron19 @Dewy Keon Hogturd  If we were Avs fans we would be going Hard on Kessel and Dion.


We would be working a trade like: 


With Mackinnon projecting like he is, lets get him the Top winger and we need a Vet top pairing D man


Duschene, Tyson Barrie- 1st this year for Kessel and Dion.


:)))))

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd Yea, and tickets pre-sold to companies who buy in mass at discounted rates are not the same as tickets sold to the public, either - yet they report the average price of tickets purchased by consumers. 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Cameron19 @CanuckUKinToronto I think it depends on that young defender.  As we already have Rielly, Gardiner, and up and coming young defenders (Percy/Granberg.. maybe Nilsson, etc).. I am more inclined to package Kadri/Clarkson for at $6m forward (as Kadri will cost $4m min next contract) so shipping out $10m+ maybe for a new $6m forward.. The other $4m I would be inclined to upgrade our D with a mid aged top 4 D rather than another young defender.  

Ydargo
Ydargo

Personally, I think Phaneuf can be had if the other team is offering up fair value

To me, I see Edmonton being a very logical trading partner.....they need that big defenceman and the whole youth thing is getting them nowhere right now.

Would COL give up Duchene? I'm not sure they would

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Mind Bomb @Cameron19 @Dewy Keon Hogturd I can't believe what a big loss Barrie was on D. Not surprisingly, broadcasters never mentioned it, but he finished the last 2 months of the season as a winger, and swapped back to D right before the first round - yet somehow they couldn't do anything without him. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd Well, the history of the NHL has shown just the opposite. Sit on your hands and be a floor team and you're still making a shit load of money every year, just because the value of your franchise increases.  I'm saying they aren't going to change their budget dramatically just because they MIGHT make a few extra million in playoff revenue.

Ydargo
Ydargo

I think everyone needs to accept Clarkson won't be moved under any circumstance.......he had a horrible year, no one will take his contract on.

Clarkson will need to be put with the proper type of players (players who cycle the puck)

I could see Kadri being moved out, I'm just not sure how much we would benefit from moving our most offensively talented Centreman

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Dewy Keon Hogturd It was a statistic made by the league- average per playoff game. They make as high as $4m in big cities but they share with visiting team.

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@Ydargo A theory only yes, but if I am Colorado, I have already moved two great young Centers in to the Wing, and if I am doing that I might as well go get the Best natural Winger instead, to play with Mackinnon

How about the point a playoff game sniper Phil Kessel


Landeskog-Mackinnon-Kessel,  Thats OMG Sick

ROR-Statsny- Tanguay/parantuea


And the improve there Top pairing


Johnson-Phaneuf



Cameron19
Cameron19

@Ydargo We need defenders too. Not sure why people think we can afford to move Dion. I'm all for it if the plan is to tank, but if we expect to improve by moving him, we're out to lunch - even if we got a wildly fictional return like Duchene. 

Ydargo
Ydargo

I'm sure there is a definite possibility COL might not want to spend to the Cap (even if there is a possibility of making playoff revenues).........my thinking is Patrick Roy and Joe Sakic may have a say in the spending habits of COL

I could be way off on that, either way

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Dewy Keon Hogturd Yea, it's like that in Phoenix too, except if you just wait you can get tickets super cheap at the rink, on game-day. 

Ydargo
Ydargo

I agree 100% on that.......if we lose Phaneuf we will have a big gaping hole on Defence

Truth be told, moving Franson is probably the most realistic move

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Cameron19 @Ydargo mgmt plan is not to tank.. The team is not that bad and primarily comprised of young talent so not that far off.. They don't need an entirely new roster... maybe 40% change/upgrade

Hmmm
Hmmm

@Dewy Keon Hogturd  That doesn't add up.  Scalpers may take an occasional loss, but they sure won't keep doing it.