Mashup: [Some Title, Does Anyone Still Care?]

by on November 22, 2012 in Morning Mashup - 1,131 Comments

Mashup: [Some Title, Does Anyone Still Care?]
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Go Jays. Is it April yet?

Ugh. Watching this lockout trudge along through a seemingly insane number of days of “still happening” may have literally ripped all the ability to feel optimism out of my mind. LOUD: “THEY’RE MEETING TODAY!” Quieter: “They met.” Really quiet: “…it did not go well.” That’s every day of an NHL fans’ life right now. Well, not every day. Just the days the two sides decide to spend uselessly in the same building.

The sad fact is, this Wednesday shouldn’t have been useless. The PA seemingly made very real concessions in what was considered a constructive proposal. The league met this with a mild dose of acknowledgement and a major dose of continued posturing. (SPOILER ALERT, JULY SELVES: They really are as stubbornly greedy as we were afraid they’d be).

Gary claims the league’s best offer is on the table and they literally can’t move (“Come to our negotiating point, aka our demands, or no hockey. That’s not a greedy hardline position, right?”). Fehr said much the same, describing the NHL’s response as, “Thanks [for the proposal], but [to end this] you have to agree with what we say.” At the same time, if Gary‘s really a truth-teller, the NHLPA have been real foot-dragging lazies when it comes to submitting comprehensive proposals in a timely fashion. It’s just become so easy to hate everyone involved. But then a player goes crazy on Twitter, and we think – ah, well. At least there’s some entertainment happening.

Gary Bettman is not the villain. Bill Daly is not the villain. The villain in this scenario is a collective. The owners, the league, the lawyers, the NHL’s negotiating team. They, together, have incited this lockout (regardless of how many times they say they didn’t) in the name of good business. They claim to want a system that allows for fair competition while ensuring the “longterm health” of the sport.

They had one. Was the league itself in major financial jeopardy before this started? No. They’re not saving the league. They’re trying to optimize it, in their favour. It’s an attempt to possibly scrape a new layer of icing off the revenue cake for themselves that they wouldn’t have had so much as a whiff of under the old agreement. “Good business“.

Good business would be resolving this amicably with no loss of revenue for anyone and no loss of value for the sport. This is no longer good business. They claim it has to happen. The “short term consequences outweigh the longterm ones” as Gary might put it. I’d love to know what they see that the rest of us don’t. The best possible PR statement the NHL could issue right now would be a candid assessment of why the changes they’ve requested actually need to be made. Have we seen one?

I think my Mashup tone has gone from apathy to spiteful. This could get really interesting by January.

It’s Thursday. Here are some links.

-Mirtle breaks down the numbers in the PA’s latest offer.

-More Mirtle. Expect the next rhetorical war to be between the league’s threatening of a canceled season and the PA’s threatening of decertification.

-Per Kyle Cicerella, Nazem Kadri is awesome again.

-Players did not react well to Wednesday’s developments via social media. Jeff O’Neill Whoever hacked Jeff O’Neill’s account took it…pretty far.

-Here’s the main TSN article on Wednesday’s session. Pertinent quotes as such. During his press scrum video, Gary laments that Fehr talked to the press at midday while the NHL was reviewing the PA offer. Called it not very “constructive.” Let me say that again. While talking about the lockout in a press scrum, Gary lamented that people talk about the lockout in press scrums.

-Via TLN, can Stuart Percy make the WJHC roster?

 

 

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    If there is no CBA and no PA then there is nothing to tie to. It’s my understanding that the contracts themselves would still be legal just no longer bound to a set of CBA rules, but I see that there are differing views on this. I guess I’ll find out the answer to that as time passes. 

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  • Burtonboy

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
    NHL and NHLPA touched based today via phone. Plan is to touch base again this weekend but at this point no official barg talks scheduled

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    Yeah, I know it means quivering fat tits, just wasn’t sure it would apply in the situation stated.   lol

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  • Knights2Leafs

    Ya and now that more games have been cancelled the players have lost approximately $600M so far and the owners probably $400M +.  One billion down the pisser so far.

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  • MSM

    Looking at your number i’m thinking maybe the money losing teams could apply for a charity designation so the players and rich owners could donate as a tax shelter! Everyone wins! Lol

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  • Zep2

    For sure. But the difference now is that no one would put up with the territorial rights thing . The other is that the owners had the players completely cowed in those days. They where isolated, threatened kept in the dark and fed shit.

    Those days in Major Pro Sports are gone forever.  .

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  • djamon

    Oh I believe it’ll definitely be a legal clusterfuck. But I also feel it’s almost a necessary one. I believe it’s the best way to achieve what the league truly needs…contraction.

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  • Waiting4LSC

    This nonsense is kind of Star Wars like. Teach your kids to count Star Wars style,  4..5..6..1..2..3.  Numbers no longer are the rule. If the NHLPA is breathing then the NHL have not won.

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  • djamon

    The number of games cancelled doesn’t necessarily reflect the possible size of the season they could still have.

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    Fuck me. Where’s that razor sharp, lawyer like mind of Jordan’s when we need clarification around here?

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    I been thinking about that too. They could still squeeze in a lot of games and extend the end of the season, not that I’m anticipating a quick settlement.

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  • Knights2Leafs

    True enough but on the other hand it’s predictive of more lost games to come.

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  • Grahamzky

    Yea I am sure you are right, the territorial rights would never fly now. I was just saying that it used to be kind of fun following the various teams “farm teams.”

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  • Burtonboy

    This little clause in the PA’s proposal is “one” of the big reasons the League said no imo. Again it amounts to another form of de- linkage 

    - In years two through five of this Agreement, the players’ share in dollars may not be less than it was in the previous year.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=409992

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  • Grahamzky

    No I don’t expect thnigs to change either.

    However with all the shit going on these days – who knows what we can expect? Maybe the unexpected?

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  • wiski

    I could see that being a deal breaker. lol

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  • Grahamzky

    Without a doubt that would be the main sticking point! Back to guaranteed $$$!

    As well, the league will want more than a five year deal. However so may the players so that may not be a problem.

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  • Burtonboy

    Also under the PA’s proposal the split doesn’t get to a true 50/50 until yr 5 

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  • wiski

    Toronto Maple Leafs ‏@MapleLeafs
    Watch #Leafs prospect Morgan Rielly in action tonight at 9pm on@Sportsnet as Moose Jaw faces Edmonton Oil Kings #WHL #CHL

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  • wiski

    Andi Petrillo ‏@andipHNIC
    “I cried b/c I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet.” I remember that quote whenever I think I have it bad.#NHL #NHLPA#BigPicture

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  • Waiting4LSC

    Wiski:  Any ideas where I can find a link. Atdhenet.tv and Firstrowsports.eu do not carry the WHL?

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  • wiski

    Speaking of 50/50 I’m switching to fiber TV and internet with bell. The girl offered me 50meg download and upload speed, 250 Gig/month for $49.95 ;)

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  • Burtonboy

    Great ….. I don’t think it will be available here for some time yet 

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  • Grahamzky

    Yea agree, with all the rest – Rielly is going to be super. Hopefully he doesn’t get hurt, kind of plays with reckless abandon, which is scary.

    Liked it though when I heard one of the TV analysts say -”The Leafs are going to have great defence in a few years – Rielly, Jake Gardiner, Stuart Percy, Matt Finn and Jesse Blacker.” Ya gotta like that!

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  • wiski

    Check here if they dont have it some one may post a link.
    http://ourleafs.blogspot.ca/

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