Monday Mashup: Gardiner’s Up Next

Monday Mashup: Gardiner’s Up Next

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Jake Gardiner

With James Reimer’s negotiations settling on Friday, only Jake Gardiner remains of the Leafs‘ outstanding contract situations, and this contract quietly might be most interesting among all of the Leafs‘ RFAs this off-season. Do the Maple Leafs bridge him with a 2 year deal or buy some UFA years on a long term contract, pay a little more than they would have in the next few seasons, and hope it pays off down the road?

The comparative thinking here being that $4.25 million for James van Riemsdyk until 2018 is ridiculously good value. We could also point out that the Buffalo Sabres probably wish they bridged Tyler Myers instead of going long term after his ELC expired. It’s harder to project with young defencemen, too, given ability to play bigger minutes against tough competition becomes the judgment call as opposed to projecting based mostly on point production.

It’s not always as doable at a price that makes sense. From the player’s perspective, it seems crazier and crazier deals are doled out to UFAs with every passing off-season and a young talent like Gardiner would be remiss to sign away his golden ticket UFA years if the offer is well below what he considers commensurate to his talent and potential. Last off season, the Leafs entertained the idea of a long-term deal with Nazem Kadri but found the salary demands were a little too rich and risky for their liking given Kadri was still under 100 games played in his NHL career — he was also in the awkward position of having produced nearly a point per game in a half-season sample in a more sheltered role.

What will the Leafs do with their like-aged defenceman?

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KesselJVR
KesselJVR

Anyone think a team with plenty of cap space, like Buffalo, would be willing to take Clarkson on if we package him with picks/prospects or maybe with Reimer? 

For example:

Toronto: couple of minor leaguers, Enroth/Neuwirth

Buffalo: Clarkson, Reimer, 2015 3rd, prospects (Ashton?, Brown?, Abbott?) 

Buffalo has plenty of cap space and their owner is willing to spend, Reimer is better than Enroth and Neuwirth, the 2015 draft is so deep that the pick would be like a 2nd in other years, and I don't see prospects such as the ones listed above in Toronto's plans (maybe Ashton). 

Opinions?   

KesselJVR
KesselJVR

JVR - Bozak - Kessel

Lupul - Kadri - Frattin

Booth - Santorelli - Clarkson

Komarov - Winnik - Kontiola

Holland, Ashton 


I don't like keeping Holland and Ashton in the press box but barring a trade (or 2) I think that's the best option. There's chemistry on the 1st, 2nd, between Santorelli and Booth, and Kontiola and Komarov. 

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

Winnik was also 3rd on the team in forwards for both blocked shots and takeaways.. with 62 blocked shots (in 15 min avg ice time) and 34 takeaways vs 30 giveaways In the playoffs he had 8 takeways and only 3 giveaways

Ze_theLeafsFan
Ze_theLeafsFan

Safe to say that there will be a trade for the Leafs.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

Winnik was averaging 13 min TOI in the playoffs for the Ducks and 3 min shorthanded.. 15min TOI regular season and 2.31 shorthanded.... Valuable guy

loomx
loomx

Top to bottom, I think this is a good team now. I struggle with calling it a playoff team because of Carlyle, but I'll watch the games at least. The only piece that doesn't fit is Franson. He forces one of our D to play on his off side and the way the organization has talked about wanting a good L+R balance, something has to happen with him.

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Santorelli
Booth-Holland-Clarkson
Winnik-Kontiola-Komarov

Gardiner-Phaneuf
Rielly-Robidas
Polak-Franson

Bernier
Reimer

The_Polish_Cannon
The_Polish_Cannon

So much versatility in this lineup. Tons of players that can move up and down the lineup, play C and W 

drummond
drummond

Shanny working his ass off, no doubt about that, what a freaking busy summer

TheGroobster
TheGroobster

Daniel Winnik #34 W | 6'2", 207 lbs. |

Birth Date:March 6, 1985 (29 years old) 

Place of Birth:Toronto, Ont. 

Shoots:R Experience:7 years

Drafted:Drafted by Phoenix in 2004 (9/265)


Assets:Can play any forward position and displays plenty of defensive acumen. Has excellent size for the NHL game, as well as plenty of determination.

Flaws:Doesn't always use his large frame (6-2, 210 pounds) to the best of his capability, especially offensively. Is prone to prolonged scoring droughts.

Career Potential:Versatile veteran forward.


http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4856

Ze_theLeafsFan
Ze_theLeafsFan

JVR-Bozak-Kessel

Komarov-Kadri-Lupul

Winnick-Holland-Clarkson

Booth-Santorelli-Frattin

Ashton-Kontiolla-Bodie


Bodie probably goes down.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

Again the Leafs sign another speedster . Winnick is really good skater apparently 

Chris Jay
Chris Jay

Someone give this Dubas kid a raise! LOL

skippysleafs
skippysleafs

everyone bite ur tongue, and choke a little but it came from eks site someoneon the comments


Cloud09
Cloud09

Another good depth signing for the Leafs, makes guys like Ashton and Frattin fight for a job than just gifting them a spot on the roster. 

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Someone on here posted here yesterday that Winnik was a done deal, had a friend/relative that knew his agent. Stand up and take a bow.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

only Kule had more blocked shots as a Leaf Forward than Winnik

colino17
colino17

@Ze_theLeafsFan Is Kane RW or LW? If so, with the excess of LWs something like Kane for Lupul is making more and more sense.

Cloud09
Cloud09

@Ze_theLeafsFan Might be, could also see them hang on to everyone and send down what's left to the Marlies. 

Bruffins
Bruffins

@loomx

Fuck... just imagine switching Clarkson with a 2nd line guy making slightly more and bump Santorelli down a line.

GreekGod
GreekGod

@loomx

Now that's a good looking fourth line


Guessing that makes Frattin the extra player sitting. But that's a good problem to have and I'm sure he'll push guys like Clarkson even harder to be on there game

peterbleafs
peterbleafs

@loomx Yeah Id have to say this Winnik thing puts us into a category of a really hard to beat team with significant depth. 

Hifi75
Hifi75

@Chris Jay  Also a lot of versatility players who can play wing and C

colino17
colino17

@Xxxxxnew It was a guy over on the HB site. was telling people that Setogutchi was a no go because the Leafs had signed Winnik but it wasn't announced. Said he had talked to his agent.

wendelsway1
wendelsway1

@Cloud09 @Ze_theLeafsFan I'm leaning towards a trade.....Shanny said there would be opportunities for Marlies who are ready to make the jump.....I count 17 forwards on one ways....something's gotta give.

loomx
loomx

@Bruffins @loomx Everything should be done to make him fit with Kadri and Lupul. I like him on the 3rd line too but unfourtunately, his contract does not change with his role. If he stays a 3rd liner here, that sucks.

vinoa
vinoa

@Bruffins @loomx Clarkson's making 2nd line money. If anything, we could probably replace him with a 1st line player making slightly more.

loomx
loomx

@peterbleafs @loomx Pretty much all needs have been addressed except for two major ones. The depth at forward was improved, the support for Phaneuf on D has improved, and the Leafs got more good puck possession players. 

Problems: Still a lack of quality centre depth. A lot of it relies on hope that Holland, Kontioal, santorelli etc, can hold down bottom 6 C jobs. Also: Carlyle. He needs to change how he runs things in some way. If his assistants help him do that, great, but for now that's still a question mark.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

That's no longer in his job description.

N_Leafs
N_Leafs

@drummond @The_Polish_Cannon Hopefully against a team like Ottawa where we should win with only 2-3 lines but can also amuse ourselves by beating them up in their own arena. 

sniperstar
sniperstar

@drummond @The_Polish_Cannon I don't mind one of them for the odd game but they should not be regulars this season and honestly probably won't see any time on the Leafs.

CanuckUKinToronto
CanuckUKinToronto

@Cloud09 @Ze_theLeafsFan Kontiola will be the BIGGEST surprise.  Think that he paid $600k of his $1.1m to buyout the KHL contract.. so after taxes.. he is not making anything this year.. He will be the most motivated player on the team.  Clarkson will bounce back too

RandomScrub
RandomScrub

@colino17 @Xxxxxnew We had a guy post here. Can't remember his name, but he posted a couple times about players we have signed and possible signings we will or are considering.

djamon
djamon

@wendelsway1 One way contracts have nothing to do with being waiver exempt. Or not.

djamon
djamon

@RandomScrub Just out of curiosity who do you think would be scooped up in an instant? Bodie? Ashton?