On whether I’m an apologist or thinking rationally about the Bernier trade

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So today, a trade happened.

I don’t want to delve too deeply into a breakdown of the trade – mostly because I think this is a topic on its own and you can find what you need elsewhere. Instead, I’m going to focus on the mindset of Leafs management, what this means for James Reimer, as well as the potential Jonathan Bernier carries. I left a semi-large post of my thoughts on the trade in the comment section, but I’m going to expand on it here.

The initial thoughts:

One prevailing thought I have is that much of the agony and anger on social media has been indirectly linked to the fans’ personal feelings about Reimer. In Reimer, we have an outstanding human being who we can all get behind and want to watch succeed. In Reimer, we have a person who displays an unwavering belief in his abilities. In Reimer, we have someone who deflects accolades to his teammates while unhesitatingly accepting criticism for faults that aren’t always his own. In all honesty, many of us want to see Reimer succeed because in him, there’s a tiny glimmer of hope that a nice guy can win in the cutthroat world of sports.

It’s actually remarkable that anyone can be so consistent with his modesty that we tend to forget how Reimer is a fierce competitor – you can tell he hates being beaten whenever a puck squeaks by him.

And this is why the trade is so confusing. The Leafs have a number one goaltender whose many virtues I have repeatedly extolled of in the past. Reimer isn’t perfect, but as a 25 year old, he has many years left to improve on his weaknesses and hone his strengths.

So why trade for someone who has more potential than Ben Scrivens does? Is there something about Reimer that we’re not seeing?

The exploration:

Anthony Petrielli wrote up a nice piece on some of the reasons why Leafs management would want to improve the situation in net. A part of me has to agree with Petrielli that Reimer has had a weird injury history. In fact, Reimer has had several concussions in the past prior to being hit in the head by Brian Gionta in October 2011. So even if the Leafs aren’t questioning Reimer’s abilities and potential, they do need to consider the worrying details of Reimer’s injury history. Which leads to the question of whether Scrivens is capable of being a starting goaltender or has the potential to be one – if the answer is no, then most certainly an upgrade would be necessary.

The question above was clearly the influential reason why Leafs management went hard after Bernier. The question was no longer about whether Scrivens could win games if Reimer went down, but steal games. In Bernier’s case, the talent is clearly there to not only win games, but steal wins the Leafs didn’t deserve.

Here’s a scouting report from Bernier’s draft year in 2006:

“A very strong skater with excellent balance… has both quick reactions and recovery…has very quick feet and pads with excellent, controlled lateral movements… very good post-to-post… does a good job of blocking a pass from behind the net… very good angles and net coverage… challenges at the top of the crease and square to the shooter… good rebound control deflecting shots out of danger with his stick and blocker… uses paddle down technique on wrap around attempts… goes behind the net well to stop the puck on dump ins and is smart at moving it… communicates well with his defense… does a very good job of reading and reacting to the play… has an excellent well balanced butterfly stance… shows excellent determination… very solid and strong in the crease… battles hard for any loose pucks and holds his ground when players cut hard to the net… very quick recovery to get set for a rebound opportunity… very aggressive and competes hard… very confident and doesn’t get rattled… capable of making big saves to keep his team in the game or to hold a lead.”

One thing that stands out to me is that Bernier is a very capable puck-handler. For a team whose defense lacks polish, experience, and speed, having a strong puck-handler in net helps limit some of the possession downtime by making good forward passes or clearing the puck off the walls. By being a strong puck-handler, a goaltender can defuse the forecheck very easily.

Another area I felt was important is that Bernier is ‘capable of making big saves to keep his team in the game…’, which is an area many might say the Leafs have lacked in net. I went back into Bernier’s most recent scouting report from the Forecaster which makes explicit that stealing a game is right up Bernier’s alley:

“His reflexes are first-rate and cat-like… plays with supreme confidence when tending goal… can steal a game all on his own… capable of shaking off bad goals.”

I think it’s important to note that in Reimer’s 100+ games played, it wasn’t until this year that he started ‘stealing’ games on his own. From Reimer’s first round performance against Boston, he stole Games 5 and 6, as well as a huge win against New Jersey back in March when the Leafs were looking to press forward for a playoff spot. Having two goaltenders capable of stealing games on their own is clearly a strength; to say it would weaken by proxy of a distraction is a media fueled narrative designed to create an unnecessary distraction.

There are many in the media who love the trade and to name two just for posterity with an article:

Lebrun tweet (and alternating article):

Lebrun’s article on Bernier being the real deal.

Proteau tweet (and alternating article):

Proteau’s article on not rushing to judgement.

The future and the fantasy:

I think the biggest question is whether Reimer will feel less than pleased about this trade. As a competitor and athlete, it must hurt that his management doesn’t have a lot of faith in his ability to stay healthy. On the other hand, Reimer has done nothing to show that he’s less than the perfect teammate. To this end, I don’t think there will be a problem on Reimer’s end to work with the games he gets. He’s clearly the starter at this point and don’t let the media tell you any differently until we hear it from Leafs’ management.

On the other hand, I did wonder about Bernier’s thoughts about having to compete with Reimer for playing team. There have been several reports that suggested that Bernier wanted to be a starter immediately, but as it turns out, he just wants a chance. Playing second fiddle to Jonathan Quick and his 10-year contract would suggest that the Kings and Bernier had made a decision to mutually move on.

In addition, both Reimer and Bernier have played together in the past back in 2011 during the World Championship. Nonis noted this very detail in his press conference today when he said that ‘… they seemed to get along well.” For me, this detail is very important as it shows an existing positive relationship.

Furthermore, I like the concept of having one area of need completely vanquished with a simple need for need trade. I think the Leafs plan to ‘slow boil’ the development of Reimer and Bernier simultaneously while making grander moves to improve the team in front of them. Rather than sticking to the plan of developing mid-tier professionals like Scrivens and Frattin, the Leafs are clearing beginning to make moves for the future as they will once again get younger and more skilled. The trade makes implicit that the Leafs are opening another door for someone like D’Amigo, Ashton, or even Ross to make the team on the wing. The wing is a position of strength the Leafs have to dip into and that hasn’t changed with this trade.

Lastly, this trade allows the Leafs to take time on making a decision on who to run with in net. If it’s Bernier, they can sell high on Reimer. If it’s Reimer, they can sell high on Bernier. While the goaltending market is flooded with buyers, there isn’t a lot of upside available either. The Leafs now have two goaltenders under 25 with many years to work with. Rather than crippling their resources, they’ve allocated them elsewhere into a position of strength.

In other words, the Leafs hedged their bets on a high upside risk for the short-term reduction of familiarity.

Conclusion:

Overall, the trade as a whole smells from a distance and perhaps it was a move the Leafs didn’t need to make. There’s also the question of whether Tim Leiweke had a hand in forcing Nonis to make this trade. However, the deeper we go, the more sense it makes when we’re thinking about the concept of winning games rather than keeping the team in it. Goals may win games, but goaltending can steal games we don’t deserve to win.

  • Tommy Cat

    Most important position on the ice.  Now we have two really good young goalies.  I’m down with it.

    • Black_Hawk

      Tommy Cat yeah I think we are in a good position heading into next season

    • Black_Hawk

      Tommy Cat yeah I think we are in a good position heading into next season

  • wiski

    Three blogs in one day for the same player he must be good 😉

  • Aki Berg

    I may be in la-la land here, but what if Nonis wants to trade Bernier to a team that is willing to move a young player AND a compliance buyout for a Bernier (maybe the Kings couldn’t afford the buyout). For example: Leafs send Bernier to Philly for Couturier (which LA would have accepted and Bryz (can’t afford buyout so the trade was nixed)….etc.

  • flappypaddle

    I like the trade as a whole just pinpoints that colbourne and damigo will get a chance to make an impact not to mention guys like broll,biggs, leivo etc. Sad to see Fratts go tho.

    • Tommy Cat

      flappypaddle He has a good attitude.  The Kings are getting a good player for sure.

  • Black_Hawk

    wonder what philly had offered then? reid and a 2nd as high as they go? we had a back up to give to LA so maybe that helped us get the deal and player.

    • BPsotka

      Black_Hawk Philly has Mason.

      • Black_Hawk

        BPsotka Black_Hawk yeah but there not keeping bryz

  • Cameron19

    Just for the record, Adam Proteau is the guy who thought the Leafs would have to trade Kessel and two 1st round picks just to get the Kings to think about moving Brayden Schenn. 

    I’m totally happy with the Bernier trade, as I believe like Keon, that we’ve strengthed a key position.  But at the same time, I’m not willing to believe any of these media morons any more today than I was yesterday.

    • Black_Hawk

      Cameron19 Adam is a idiot

    • -Keon-

      Wow, that non-trade worked out fairly well

    • Black_Hawk

      -Keon- never was on the table

      • Black_Hawk

        -Keon- lol I see

    • Cameron19

      -Keon- It was actually a hilarious article.  He just spent the whole time ripping the Leafs and any chance they had at attaining Schenn – who at the time was being talked about as if he were Gretzky.

      • Black_Hawk

        Cameron19 -Keon- yeah I could imagine

      • Cameron19

        -Keon- I don’t think he follows a team – writes for The Hockey News.

    • skiingallday

      Cameron19 yea, but look what Philly gave up for Schenn, and, that was before Kessel exploded as one of the best players in the league. So at the time I think, although no body would ever make that deal, that for what LA was asking, he was pretty close.

      • Cameron19

        skiingallday Cameron19 Are you kidding me?  Even at the time Kessel was out-performing Richards.  You just couldn’t see it over the sound the media was making in regards to all the waffles hitting the ice.

      • Cameron19

        skiingallday Cameron19 They also got Simmonds and a 2nd – not the other way around.

  • mike_84

    Now we just gotta get our #1C and #2D and were set. oh ya throw Clarkson in there too.

  • mike_84

    Now we just gotta get our #1C and #2D and were set. oh ya throw Clarkson in there too.

  • wendelsfist

    The scouting report suggests Bernier is an athletic/agile goalie.   With goalie pads dimensions shrinking I wonder which goalies are going to see their SV% drop.

    • BPsotka

      wendelsfist I would assume the positional goalies would take the hit.

    • Savo43

      wendelsfist Basically anybody who skates with Francois Alaire i guess.

      • 4evrblue

        Savo43 wendelsfist Giguere and Varlamov then. Im okay with this :)

        • Savo43

          4evrblue Savo43 wendelsfist Is Allaire with Rado now? lolllll. Nice.

        • Savo43

          4evrblue Savo43 wendelsfist I guess that makes sense actually, he was Roy’s coach if i remember correctly.

        • 4evrblue

          Savo43 4evrblue wendelsfist I remember thinking him and Giggy just keeping following each other around the league lol

        • skiingallday

          4evrblue Savo43 wendelsfist Allaire – “Giggy Y U SO SUCKY NOW”

        • 4evrblue

          skiingallday 4evrblue Savo43 wendelsfist Giggy in a fit of tears: “You did this to me!!!!!”

        • skiingallday

          4evrblue skiingallday Savo43 wendelsfist Allaire – “SACREBLEU”

        • 4evrblue

          skiingallday 4evrblue Savo43 wendelsfist Giggy: “RUN VARLIE BEFORE IT”S TOO LATE!!!”

        • skiingallday

          4evrblue skiingallday Savo43 wendelsfist Roy – “too late”

    • TML__fan

      wendelsfist The bigger (i.e. taller) goalies will likely be affected the most, as the length of their pads will be reduced more than the average size goaltenders.

  • wendelsfist

    The scouting report suggests Bernier is an athletic/agile goalie.   With goalie pads dimensions shrinking I wonder which goalies are going to see their SV% drop.

  • wiski

    Bernier for Soshi

    • Black_Hawk

      wiski reimer is gonna beat him out

      • wiski

        Black_Hawk wiski that was pushing it 😉

        • Black_Hawk

          wiski Black_Hawk lol

        • Tommy Cat

          wiski Black_Hawk They’ll need two goalies in Soshi.

        • skiingallday

          Tommy Cat wiski Black_Hawk Sushi in Sochi?

        • Black_Hawk

          Tommy Cat wiski Black_Hawk oh shit ey, so both are going to make It. quick thinking there TC

        • Tommy Cat

          skiingallday Tommy Cat wiski Black_Hawk Sushi is sucky.

        • Savo43

          Tommy Cat skiingallday wiski Black_Hawk Whaaaat, Sushi is delcioussss.

        • skiingallday

          Tommy Cat skiingallday wiski Black_Hawk where do you live? Because region greatly affects sushi quality. I’m in Vancouver, hence some of the best Sushi outside Asia. mmmmmm….

        • Tommy Cat

          skiingallday Tommy Cat wiski Black_Hawk St. John’s.  Just give me pan fried cod.

        • 4evrblue

          Tommy Cat skiingallday wiski Black_Hawk now you’re talkin :)

        • skiingallday

          Tommy Cat skiingallday wiski Black_Hawk well that explains everything. You didn’t get the good Japanese sushi chefs people.

      • wiski

        Black_Hawk wiski that was pushing it 😉

  • Zep2

    -Keon- I like the trade too. As good as Reimer is, he is fragile. We are stronger at the back end without selling the farm.

  • TML__fan

    Nice post. 
    Hopefully Bernier proves to be a valuable addition.  Reimer is a quality guy, and assuming he and Bernier welcome the friendly competition, maybe both guys excel.  Contract-wise that will benefit both in the long run, and give the Leafs an asset (in a year or two) that they can trade for some other important piece.

    As for Scrivens, he has surely destined himself  to be the permanent backup now, assuming Quick stays healthy and Scrivens plays a minimal number of starts per season.  
    Frattin has lots of upside, but he’s not all that young, and depth at goal is more important to the Leafs than a third line forward.
    The 2nd round pick and $500K cap space makes this deal expensive when you consider you are already parting with two roster players.  The value of the deal will be decided by how Bernier develops, and will he become the #1 goalie or solidify Reimer as “the guy”.

  • -Keon-

    From Cox:
    Scrivens was college free agent who has done better already than most believed he would. You won’t find too many who project him to be an NHL starter, although the kid has yet to fail at any level of the sport.
    Frattin was the Leafs’ best scorer at the beginning of this season, but then a minor knee problem sidelined him for a few weeks and he never recaptured his game. The Leafs were constantly pushing him to be a more physical player, and there were times he demonstrated an ability to land big hits, but Randy Carlyle and his staff couldn’t coax it out of the former University of North Dakota forward on a consistent basis.
    In Tyler Biggs and Josh Leivo, the Leafs believe they have two big right-hand shooting forwards that could be ready for NHL work in a year or two. Jerry D’Amigo and David Broll are other Leaf prospects on the wing who could soon push for an NHL roster position.

  • BPsotka

    -Keon- Is Broll ready yet? I’d understood he was still a year away.

  • 4evrblue

    -Keon- there were always a lot of ppl here that thoughts Scrivens would be a starter.

    • 4evrblue

      -Keon- most did. Im actually surprised everybody is upset that Frattin is gone and there aren’t more talks about losing Ben

    • Cameron19

      -Keon- Why do I get the feeling that story is going to repeat itself a couple more times yet…

    • DWCMLHS

      4evrblue -Keon- That’s because Bernier is better than Scrivens. He’s just not that much better to justify throwing Frattin, a 2nd, and 500K of cap space into the deal. And upgrading our back-up goalie is a silly thing to be spending assets on when we need Dmen so badly.

    • 4evrblue

      DWCMLHS 4evrblue -Keon- I always said Bernier was better than Scrivens. The reason being their #s are so close but the age at which they posted those numbers are pretty far apart. Bernier was posting great AHL numbers at 21 while Scrivens was doing it at 24. It’s the potential that we bought here. If Bernier could do the same things at 21, that Scrivens could only do at 24, then Bernier should, in theory, be able to do much better at the age of 24.

  • Bobsyouruncle

    Bernier will sign with us and he’s not going to get more than $2/2.5M.   
    Nonis does not think Franson can replace Phaneuf on the 1st pair.

    • wendelsfist

      Bobsyouruncle reimer is 1.8M for one more year.  maybe the plan is to develop bernier and trade reimer close to his ufa window

    • wendelsfist

      Bobsyouruncle reimer is 1.8M for one more year.  maybe the plan is to develop bernier and trade reimer close to his ufa window

  • playoff nut

    Overall, the trade as a whole smells from a distance,yes and goodby fratts ,bet u do great ,you got some great hockey to look forward to imho nxt year

    • 4evrblue

      playoff nut I was saying just last week that I thought this would be his breakout season. I could easily see 25G, 20-25A

      • Cameron19

        4evrblue playoff nut Especially since he’ll likely win the spot next to Richards and Carter.

        • Mind Bomb

          Cameron19 4evrblue playoff nut Tough Gig !

      • B_Leaf

        4evrblue playoff nut 
        Frattin will score 25 and provide a physical presence on a team that already has a ton of physicality. The Leafs just took a step backward in physicality…Frattin was one of the few top nine players we had that has the physical factor.

        • 4evrblue

          B_Leaf 4evrblue playoff nut I think we’ll see players brought in that will bring Frats physicality plus some. Maybe not Clarkson or Stewart but I think there will be emphasis on it

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

          B_Leaf 4evrblue playoff nut I like Frattin, I really do, but if he ever scores 25 in any season, I will eat my shorts.

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

          B_Leaf 4evrblue playoff nut I like Frattin, I really do, but if he ever scores 25 in any season, I will eat my shorts.

        • playoff nut

          Radar O’Rielly B_Leaf 4evrblue playoff nut lol,breaded ? he will ,its our friggin leafs luck again

        • B_Leaf

          playoff nut Radar O’Rielly B_Leaf 4evrblue 
          And the second rounder will be Duncan Keith…lol

        • rustynail

          Radar O’Rielly B_Leaf 4evrblue playoff nut buying candy shorts again eh

        • Loric76

          B_Leaf 4evrblue playoff nut in the short term it’s likely a step backwards if Nonis doesn’t get anything else done this offseason, long term this is likely a great move tho.

      • playoff nut

        4evrblue playoff nut Yes his break out year I agree .and I had thought 50 to 60 pnts ,fuc fuc fuc ,comeon broll make me forget

      • skiingallday

        4evrblue playoff nut lol, that’s almost exactly what I said in the last thread, but I said he’d have a few more assists, which probably isn’t realistic.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

    So is Nik Wallenda going to fall to his death tonight crossing the grand canyon?  He is not wearing a harness this time.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

      -Keon- OLN I think

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

        -Keon- Now

        http://www.discovery.ca/skywire/

    • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

      -Keon- 
      LOL
      Wonder if he’s going to praise Jesus his entire trek across like he did with the Falls.

      • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

        -Keon- 
        Would I be evil for hoping he falls??  I mean….just askin’…

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

        Bon Scott was a Leaf fan -Keon- and he’s not really crossing the grand canyon. He is crossing the little colorado gorge.

      • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

        Radar O’Rielly Bon Scott was a Leaf fan -Keon- 
        Pus…puss…pussaaaaaay!!

  • B_Leaf

    Right now Jerry DAmigo starting his training regimen early.

    • Mind Bomb

      B_Leaf  Hahha

    • Loric76

      B_Leaf good, cause we need someone to replace both Frattin and Mike Brown’s facial hair.  D’Amigo can do both lol

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      B_Leaf I’m pretty confident he’ll be a Leaf in October.

      • dlb eh

        TheColborneUltimatum B_Leaf 
        only if 7 regulars get injured

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          dlb eh TheColborneUltimatum B_Leaf With Frattin and Leo gone there’s an open spot in the bottom 6. And hopefully we dont resign MacArthur.

        • dlb eh

          TheColborneUltimatum dlb eh B_Leaf 
          i agree with that…except if D’Amigo’s the best we end up with i think we have taken a step back.

        • dlb eh

          TheColborneUltimatum dlb eh B_Leaf 
          i agree with that…except if D’Amigo’s the best we end up with i think we have taken a step back.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          dlb eh TheColborneUltimatum B_Leaf The kids have to crack the Leafs at sometime. If we only sign Clarkson there’s an empty spot in the bottom 6. Why not let a rookie go for it? It seems like Damigo is being groomed for that role anyways.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          dlb eh TheColborneUltimatum B_Leaf The kids have to crack the Leafs at sometime. If we only sign Clarkson there’s an empty spot in the bottom 6. Why not let a rookie go for it? It seems like Damigo is being groomed for that role anyways.

        • dlb eh

          TheColborneUltimatum dlb eh B_Leaf 
          i’m not a fan.  he’s a premadonna imo  belongs on a Lindy Ruff team.

  • tangomike88

    This will only be a great outcome for the Maple Leafs, have two potential top goalies fight for the starter position. Then trade away the goalie that wasn’t as effective in the duel. I’ am sure both will have satisfactory seasons. Win-Win situation. As much as I love James Reimer; this is still a sport that comes down to being a business.

  • Armchair GM

    I like this trade… It’s a long season and with Reimer’s injury history Nonis could not pass up a run at Bernier given the relatively low cost to acquire a young potential starting goalie… I didn’t feel confident with Scrivens playing a lot, and given he was a free agent it cost little to give him up…

    • B_Leaf

      Armchair GM 
      True Reimer’s injury history has to be considered. But I also really liked Scrivens…and his cap hit was so good too…but Bernier is younger and probably a better upside.

  • Mitch_S2

    Likely smoke but if there is potentially a Phaneuf rumor where and for what does he go for?

    • gunner_36

      Mitch_S2 He’s not going anywhere.

    • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

      Mitch_S2 
      I call bullshit.  Phaneuf isn’t going anywhere unless we can upgrade on him…and that’s not likely.

    • Loric76

      Mitch_S2 Nonis want’s Steckel back

      • Mitch_S2

        Maybe it gets you a shot at piertangelo?

        • gunner_36

          Mitch_S2 Steckel for Pietrangelo? Methinks we’ll have to throw in something else. A 5th?

  • Mind Bomb

    Here is a Fun Fact, we only have 5 players sign after this coming year. and two of them are  Orr and Liles :)
    Kes.Dion, Kulie, Mclement all in last year of Contract 
     nonis will be earning his salary these days lol

    • LeafsForLife

      Mind Bomb Grabo?

      • gunner_36

        LeafsForLife Mind Bomb He’s one of the 5.

        • LeafsForLife

          gunner_36 LeafsForLife Mind Bomb Oh yeah sorry i read that wrong lol.

      • Mind Bomb

        LeafsForLifeMind Bomb Grabo JVR Lupul thats it 
        http://www.capgeek.com/mapleleafs/

      • Mind Bomb

        LeafsForLifeMind Bomb Grabo JVR Lupul thats it 
        http://www.capgeek.com/mapleleafs/

    • playoff nut

      Mind Bomb I just clicked your avator girl right in the middle ,think I saw her sqirm .,nonnis better show us somethin better then a losing  a fratts deal ….etc etc fin rat bastard mno good …..

      • Mind Bomb

        playoff nut Mind Bomb  Haha I have no clue what Nonis is up to. I get the whole shore up the  most important Position thing, but I am a fan of James.

  • Mind Bomb

    Here is a Fun Fact, we only have 5 players sign after this coming year. and two of them are  Orr and Liles :)
    Kes.Dion, Kulie, Mclement all in last year of Contract 
     nonis will be earning his salary these days lol

  • DWCMLHS

    -Keon- 
    “It’s pretty windy out there, are you sure you want to do this?”
    “No, better not”
    “The Leafs just traded Frattin, Scrivens, a 2nd round pick and 500K cap space for Jonathan Bernier”
    “Fuck it, let’s go”

    • -Keon-

      You forgot Leafs after let’s go

  • Zep2

    Watching the finals, the emphasis on defensive zone face-offs is huge. Bernier , by all accounts is a better puck handler and descision maker than Reimer. Hopefully, the competition will force Reimer to raise his game

  • Cameron19

    Resign MacArthur, 2 years, 5 million

    to COL: Gunnarsson, Colborne, 2nd in 2014
    to TOR: Stastny, 3.3 million 

    Sign Clarkson, 5 years, 20 million
    Sign Scuderi, 2 years, 7 million

    J.V.R. (4.25) – Stastny (3.30) – Kessel (5.40)
    Lupul (5.25) – Kadri (3.50) – Kulemin (2.80)
    MacA (2.50) – Grabo (5.50) – Clarkson (4.00)
    __________ – McClement (1.5) – Orr (0.925)
    McLaren (0.75)

    Scuderi (3.50) – Phaneuf (6.5)
    Gardiner (0.875) – Franson (3.50)
    Ranger (1.00) – Blacker (0.66)
    Fraser (1.00)

    Reimer (1.80) – Bernier (1.80)

    Tucker, Armstrong, Frattin/Scrivens (2.500)

    CAP HIT: 62.81 million
    CAP SPACE: 1.49 million

    Would be real tight with the cap, but that’s a fairly complete team.

    • Loric76

      Cameron19 lost ya at “resign MacArthur”

    • Mitch_S2

      Cameron19  Defense looks thin. Where did Liles go?

      • Cameron19

        Mitch_S2 Cameron19 Traded or bought out.

        • Mitch_S2

          I like the idea of singing Scuderi but I doubt he wants to leave LA, unless them re-siging Regher hurts that.

        • Loric76

          Mitch_S2 I think today’s trade has partially or completely given LA the space they need to resign Scuderi.  I doubt he goes elsewhere as well.

        • Cameron19

          Loric76 Mitch_S2 It’s still pretty tight for them.  They have to be absolutely sure they know what the deal is with Willie Mitchell.

        • DWCMLHS

          Loric76 Mitch_S2 Yeah, Scrivens is cheaper than Bernier will be, and we kept 500K of Frattin’s already dirt-cheap deal. We definitely helped them out financially.

    • wyatt956

      Cameron19 Has Ranger indicated a willingness to return to the NHL? I liked what I saw from Blacker so I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the team.

    • wyatt956

      Cameron19 Has Ranger indicated a willingness to return to the NHL? I liked what I saw from Blacker so I wouldn’t be surprised if he made the team.

      • 4evrblue

        wyatt956 Cameron19 speculation is Ranger will be a leaf :)

      • 4evrblue

        wyatt956 Cameron19 speculation is Ranger will be a leaf :)

        • Cameron19

          4evrblue wyatt956 Cameron19 Your speculation, or actual speculation.

        • 4evrblue

          Cameron19 4evrblue wyatt956 both

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          4evrblue Cameron19 wyatt956 Ranger would shore up our defense so much. 

          Phaneuf- Gunnarson
          Franson- Gardiner
          Blacker- Ranger
          Fraser

          I like the looks of that. I forget who plays on which side but you can mix and match them a bit depending on who has chemistry with each other. I think Blacker and Ranger played together so there’s chemistry there and if one of them needs a night off you can sub in Fraser.

        • Pent_House

          TheColborneUltimatum 4evrblue Cameron19 wyatt956  no thanks again

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          Pent_House TheColborneUltimatum 4evrblue Cameron19 wyatt956 Who would you dress for d then?

    • Pent_House

      Cameron19 Gunnar, Colborne, 2nd for Stastny? No thanks, big NO.

      • 4evrblue

        Pent_House Cameron19 yeah thats a little much IMO also.

    • leafmealone

      Cameron19 Except that today’s trade means that LA can now afford Scuderi.

      • Cameron19

        leafmealone Cameron19 It depends. It’s still pretty tight.  Still just 5.5 million or so for 5 roster spots.

        • rustynail

          Cameron19 leafmealone they saved well over a million, probably 2 against the cap

        • Cameron19

          rustynail Cameron19 leafmealone Well, they filled 2 spots for a million bucks.  Doesn’t change what they still have to fill out the roster with.  Clifford and Muzzin should get decent raises, too.

        • rustynail

          Cameron19 rustynail leafmealone 2 spots at under league minimum has gotta help

  • Loric76

    Assuming Scuderi isn’t coming here, would any of you take a flyer on Leopold?

    • dlb eh

      Loric76 
      no e o e o

    • DWCMLHS

      Loric76 If we can’t find a #2 Dman, sure. We at least need to add a top-4 quality guy. Leopold, Hainsey and Scuderi are the top options in free agency.

      • Loric76

        DWCMLHS Loric76 see and I’m thinking Phaneuf and a healthy Gunnar are still likely our top 2, so what we’re really after is a 3/4 guy that can fill in for 2-3 years until Reilly Percy etc are ready.

        • dlb eh

          Loric76 DWCMLHS 
          a healthy Gunnar will look very much like the one we saw last year.
          great 2nd defensive unit option.  no offense.  no help to Phanuef against top lines.
          fack

        • Loric76

          dlb eh Loric76 DWCMLHS we can’t rebuild this team overnight tho.  Phaneuf and Gunner are good enough for where this team is development wise.  If we can get a solid second pairing and relieve the top pairing of some minutes we’ll be in good shape.

      • 4evrblue

        DWCMLHS Loric76 I wouldn’t be opposed to Hainsey. We have enough guys for the PP. It’s good PK guys we need and he can play a tonne of those minutes

    • wyatt956

      Loric76 Where is this Scuderi stuff coming from?

      • 4evrblue

        wyatt956 Loric76 Cam

  • Bobsyouruncle

    -Keon- Broll with Marlies: 10 reg season games, 5 play-off games – 0 points.  Yep he sounds ready for the NHL.  Fuck off Cox.

  • Armchair GM

    We just acquired a goalie that was drafted 11th overall… It’s rare for a goalie to go this high… In exchange Nonis gave up a 2nd, a free agent signing in Scrivens, and a 6th round pick in Frattin… I thought we’d have to give up our first to get Bernier…

    • Cameron19

      Armchair GM You can’t evaluate guys based on draft ranking 7 years after they were drafted.  What would it cost to get Benoit Pouliot – a top five draft pick?

      • wendelsfist

        Cameron19 Armchair GM Dipietro went first overall :-)

        • BPsotka

          wendelsfist Cameron19 Armchair GM Aki Berg :)

    • Cameron19

      Armchair GM You can’t evaluate guys based on draft ranking 7 years after they were drafted.  What would it cost to get Benoit Pouliot – a top five draft pick?

    • DWCMLHS

      Armchair GM It doesn’t matter where Frattin was picked or how we got Scrivens. They should be judged on what they are today, not what they used to be. Frattin is a cheap, effective top-9 winger. Far more valuable than a 6th-round pick.

      • dlb eh

        DWCMLHS Armchair GM 
        to ignore history isn’t so smrt either
        fact is a lot of experts like Bernier now AND his potential to be better.
        we won without Frattin before, and plugging his wing will be easier than finding a 1B goalie of Bernier’s pedigree.
        Kings swallowed and accepted the deal rather than letting it drag out.  Nonis is likely very pleased with himself.  let it go.  it’s not a big hit to our roster.  it’s potentially a huge plus, though.  let’s give it a year at least.

        • DWCMLHS

          The point was that it no longer matters that Frattin was a 6th round pick and Scrivens an undrafted college player, because both have far exceeded reasonable expectations for players in those situations already. We can’t use how we acquired them in the first place to justify the deal. That’s silly. Assets should be judged on current value, not the lower value we had when we got them.

        • DWCMLHS

          The point was that it no longer matters that Frattin was a 6th round pick and Scrivens an undrafted college player, because both have far exceeded reasonable expectations for players in those situations already. We can’t use how we acquired them in the first place to justify the deal. That’s silly. Assets should be judged on current value, not the lower value we had when we got them.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Armchair GM Komi

  • Pent_House

    Man all the videos on the right I cannot load the page. They keep getting stuck and loading forever for some reason.

  • cyf8

    Great job Bro!  Bottom line is that we have two solid goalies now.  Hate giving up a 2nd rounder, but we’ll be fine I’m sure

    • mORRganRielly

      cyf8 Cheers, buddy!  Glad you like the post.

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    TheCanucksnaphook 
    Jump motherfuckers….jump, I tell ya!!

  • playoff nut

    Yaknowwhat TheCanucksnaphook thats right ,that friggin knee at the wrong time ,yes I was a true Frattin supporter mwould have traded Bozak first

    • dlb eh

      TheCanucksnaphook playoff nut 
      Frattin is at his best when he’s giving up his body.  damn he can play.  but perhaps it’s not a style his body can handle.  and anything less than balls out from him is not as awesome…it’s ordinary, really.

    • playoff nut

      TheCanucksnaphook playoff nut awww crao OK me to ,but did u day not until the playoffs ? fuc not till the big games ,shit fuc ,u did it again .k I want him back pfft

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Yaknowwhat dlb eh TheCanucksnaphook playoff nut I really liked his play along the boards too.

    • dlb eh

      Yaknowwhat dlb eh TheCanucksnaphook playoff nut 
      …without getting himself hurt eventually

  • dlb eh

    TheCanucksnaphook Yaknowwhat jordan 
    in the dimension where everyone’s bad self has a goatee

  • Armchair GM

    This new format is a step back in a cases… Can’t reply to comments and can’t go beyond first page of comments when using my BlackBerry…

  • Armchair GM

    This new format is a step back in a cases… Can’t reply to comments and can’t go beyond first page of comments when using my BlackBerry…

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    Yaknowwhat You know MacArthur can’t be traded right?

  • Pent_House

    I’m surprised the scouting report didn’t mention his stand-up style

  • TheCanucksnaphook

    Yaknowwhat I wouldve preferred it.

  • mORRganRielly

    For the record guys, I’m really sorry if the title offended you.  It was my attempt at internal dialogue through the title.  I hope that no one was offended by my botched attempt at trying to sound smart.

    • dlb eh

      mORRganRielly 
      if that title offended someone maybe they should go cook a sock

    • playoff nut

      mORRganRielly pys ok morgan lol u dont sound to smart lol,jjk

    • mORRganRielly

      TheCanucksnaphook mORRganRielly I don’t want to make matters worse.  Someone was offended and I feel guilty enough that Alec took shit for no reason.  My mea culpa.

      • mORRganRielly

        TheCanucksnaphook mORRganRielly I sowwie cuz me dumb dumb for making someone sore.

      • dlb eh

        TheCanucksnaphook mORRganRielly 
        lol what the

      • mORRganRielly

        -Keon- I don’t think they post here.

      • mORRganRielly

        -Keon- I don’t think they post here.

      • -Keon-

        Well then, we should have them killed

    • mcloki

      Never stop trying new things. You’re right 99% of the time. And this one worked.

      • mORRganRielly

        mcloki What was the 1% I was wrong about?!

        • mcloki

          Doubting yourself

        • dlb eh

          mORRganRielly mcloki 
          the title apparently
          what’s going on here?  is somebody throwing it?

        • mORRganRielly

          mcloki 😛
          Okay, Okay.  Still, being right 99% makes me better than Mike Stephen, so I’m good with that.

  • mORRganRielly

    For the record guys, I’m really sorry if the title offended you.  It was my attempt at internal dialogue through the title.  I hope that no one was offended by my botched attempt at trying to sound smart.

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    Yaknowwhat TheCanucksnaphook No. It’s cheaper to just promote a Marlie. I also hope that Clarkson is now a priority.

  • Xxxxxnew

    Matt Fraddin, drafted in 2007, 82 NHL games, 28 points.

    • Loric76

      Xxxxxnew who the hell is Fraddin?

      • wendelsfist

        Loric76 Xxxxxnew he is lupol step brother

      • Xxxxxnew

        Loric76 Xxxxxnew Fraddin is the guy who exists when my iPad starts trying to autocorrect stuff and I hit the post comment too quick.

      • Xxxxxnew

        Loric76 Xxxxxnew Fraddin is the guy who exists when my iPad starts trying to autocorrect stuff and I hit the post comment too quick.

      • dlb eh

        -Keon- 
        another filthy Bagginsiz?

    • Xxxxxnew

      Yaknowwhat Xxxxxnew Yeah, not dissin Frattin because he had some qualities but it’s not like he’s 21 and setting the world on fire. How long do you wait on “potential” when there’s move to be made.

    • Xxxxxnew

      Yaknowwhat Xxxxxnew Yeah, not dissin Frattin because he had some qualities but it’s not like he’s 21 and setting the world on fire. How long do you wait on “potential” when there’s move to be made.

  • playoff nut

    Yaknowwhat I would agreed before I watched leafs tv last nite ,Macs high lite goals were pretty damd good

  • Xxxxxnew

    Yaknowwhat Should be fine. If he has a pro and not peewee mentality.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Xxxxxnew Yaknowwhat If there’s any resentment I’m sure April Reimer will let it be known.

    • Yaknowwhat

      Xxxxxnew Yaknowwhat Yeh should be…I just think back to Price and Halak in Montreal….it got kind of ugly…like it or not…this puts alot of pressure on Reimer going into the season..

    • Xxxxxnew

      Yaknowwhat Xxxxxnew Reimer just came off a decent stretch within a 48 game sched, but I don’t think it should guarantee entitlement in his mind. 1a and 1b still gets each guy 41 starts. At the time Price looked like a guy who could handle 60 game workload, but it could be three years before we see that in these two. I think it’ll get sorted out.

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    I just found out Joe Thornton’s aunt works at the same grocery store as me.

    • Pent_House

      TheColborneUltimatum I hope you’re under 20 years old

      • TheColborneUltimatum

        Pent_House TheColborneUltimatum I wish. It pays for school though.

        • Pent_House

          TheColborneUltimatum Pent_House Okay…I’ll reserve judgement then….

        • dlb eh

          -Keon- 
          he’s a gardiner

        • mORRganRielly

          TheCanucksnaphook TheColborneUltimatum Agreed!

  • peterbleafs

    I think its an okay trade but I am certain we lost that trade.  Strike one on Nonis.

    • Pent_House

      peterbleafs PBR time?

      • dlb eh

        Pent_House peterbleafs 
        he’s saying Nonis PBR’d that deal

    • dlb eh

      peterbleafs 
      certain should come with something more tangible than that.  what makes you so sure?

    • peterbleafs

      TheCanucksnaphook peterbleafs Not bridge jump because Reimer is a true injury risk and Scrivens seems terrific for a few games but wanes.  He is perfect behind Quick though.  But the 2nd rounder is what makes me believe its a loss.  And Penthouse, once again, fuckoff you asshole.

      • Pent_House

        peterbleafs TheCanucksnaphook Lol!

      • Xxxxxnew

        peterbleafs TheCanucksnaphook Bernier was a first rounder, 11th. Does that count?? lol

    • leafmealone

      TheCanucksnaphook peterbleafs How does thinking that there were better uses for those assets equate to being suicidal?

    • playoff nut

      peterbleafs Thats not great but This looked like the year ,sad but hoping for the best ,he had alot if time

  • peterbleafs

    I think its an okay trade but I am certain we lost that trade.  Strike one on Nonis.