Maple Leaf Hangout Episode #17

Maple Leaf Hangout Episode #17

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Introducing new MLHS writer Elliot Saccucci, Elliot will joins Michael and Michael to discuss the NHL-Rogers TV rights deal, the Leafs‘ struggles, and more.

A little info on Elliot:

Elliot Saccucci joined BJCTB as an associate in 2013. He completed his articles at the Toronto office of a national full-service firm before leaving to pursue a focused litigation practice. Elliot has studied both civil and criminal trial advocacy, and has acted as a mediator at Toronto Small Claims Court. Elliot currently teaches a negotiation course entitled “Lawyer as Negotiator” at Osgoode Hall Law School, where he graduated in the top 6% of his class, and was a recipient of the McMillan LLP Scholarship. He has written extensively on negotiation, mediation and alternative dispute resolution, and his paper on collective bargaining in the National Hockey League was published in Volume 19 of the Sports Lawyers Journal.

Founded in 2008, Maple Leafs Hotstove (MLHS) has grown to be the most visited unofficial team-focused hockey website online (Quantcast). Independently owned and operated, MLHS provides thorough and wide ranging content, varying from news, opinion and analysis, to pre-game and long-form game reviews, a weekly feature piece, the "Leafs Notebook", along with a Web TV show the "Maple Leaf Hangout".
147 comments
Cloud09
Cloud09

So can Shea Weber be traded yet?? If so I'd be open to moving Phaneuf to Nashville for him. Don't know if Toronto would have to add some other pieces but slot Weber in on the right side and pair him with either Gunnar or Rielly. Leafs can eat $14M all day, Nashville gets a comparable player that can play with Jones and will cost less cap wise with at least 1/2 the term of Weber. That would be the kind of upgrade the Leafs blueline could use. I love Phaneuf but if he can fetch a Shea Weber I wouldn't have that hard of a time saying goodbye. 

Zoltan_(Birdman)
Zoltan_(Birdman)

So now that TSN is dead....can we have all the good talent down here on NBC?   Milbury, Roenick and Pierre are absolutely HORRIBLE.

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

If Toronto were to get a 2nd team...and Bell divested itself from MLSE and bought the rights to the 2nd team....would the current new TV deal that goes into effect in a year or two still govern over TV rights for that 2nd team??  Or could Bell worm it's way back in with the 2nd team and go after those TV rights??

Apologies if this is a dumb question....admittedly, I don't really understand the full ramifications of this new deal and was wondering how a 2nd team in Toronto would be affected by it (or vice versa).


Alec Brownscombe
Alec Brownscombe moderator

LiveFyre says they've identified the issue and are working on it.

.JVR.
.JVR.

Don't know about everybody else, but I really wish Bell would have won the rights to the NHL's National Broadcast deal in Canada.

I just have more confidence in TSN's ability to put together a hockey production and in 5 years time, HNIC would look alot better on CTV than City.

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

what do people here think of the contract talks with Bolland-that Loiselle mentioned? Would you sign a player to a new deal knowing that it is unlikely he will suit up this season (due to his LTIR status)?

GreekGod
GreekGod

Great episode of the hangout... thanks guys!

B_Leaf
B_Leaf

Hey guys....Anyone put together a number for where the cap ends up next year? I understand this deal alone could increase it by $3M each team, I think the new deal south of the border adds another $1.2M or so based on the increase over previous deals.

There should be some other factors that increase the cap too, like increased revenue from price increases and of course the multiple out door games that add a lot.

Any idea the total?

Great Dane
Great Dane

@DeclanK  Declan that is probably the best analysis for the Leafs overall game plan that I seen in a long time.

This is real evidence of what have been discussed on MLHS and it just confirmed my view (always nice):


Leafs are a one-dimensional - we score of the rush.

BB - said a couple of days ago: As Kessel goes so goes the Leafs. That is very true. 

I would add when Kessel, JVR ,Lupul and Kadri are on fire we get enough goals of the rush. When not we are doomed. Like in November

When the other team find a way to shut-down mainly Kessel and JVR and the PP not clicking, the Leafs has no other tool in the toolbox, so create a enough scoring.

 In my opinion there are three maybe four problem areas that need to be addressed:

1) With the skills we have on the wings, we need more net presences at center. Kessel needs a power forward i.e. JVR and big strong center.  A second line of Lupul - Kadri and Clarkson/Kulemin might work.

2)  We need to change the bottom 6 to add more value i.e. goals. Playing Orr and Mclaren is not a formular for success. Why put Ashton, Smith, Leivo etc on the bench or with Marlies if they are able to create more scoring from the bottom 6.

3) The defense needs to be rethought.  Phaneuf, Franson, Gardiner and Reilly is too much of the same. Since there is no deal with Phaneuf yet, I think that he will be moved. (Cam - yes he might have a NTC, he might not).

4) Carlyle - if he continues to insist to dress McLaren and Orr, we will not get far. He sometimes seems too stuck in the own ways that he can't adapt. That could be a fourth problem the Leafs have.




DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@-Keon- The Logo looks like poo/pee on that color

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Cloud09 Also, Phaneuf has a NMC.  So you're either resigning him, or letting him walk.

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Cloud09 Not sure Weber will ever leave Nashville. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Cloud09 Why? Is Weber any better than Phaneuf?  Certainly hasn't looked like it since Suter left. This would not be an upgrade at all, in my opinion.  

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

Trust me, ain't no good talent here either

Komas Taberle
Komas Taberle

@darthNihilus 

I love it. It sends a message to players around the league that the Leafs negotiate in good faith.

Will attract more free agents to us.

Dangle_My_Berries
Dangle_My_Berries

@darthNihilus hard to say, but i imagine Leafs management has the best doctors and intel on bollards injury and what it means to his play going forward. 

.JVR.
.JVR.

@B_Leaf

I posted the following earlier:

The new deal will be worth about $436 million and apparently Rogers is paying about 10X as much as TSN was paying on the previous deal.

That means the NHL was already bringing in about 43.6 million per season, which means they'll be increasing their revenue by approximately $390 per season.

With the 50/50 revenue agreement, it leaves about $195 million in hockey related revenue.  So divided by the 30 teams, the cap should go up by about $6.5 million.

rustynail
rustynail

@B_Leaf the new TV deal won;t affect cap til season after next

Cloud09
Cloud09

@Cameron19 @Cloud09 Don't see anything on capgeek, where did you see he has a NMC?? And yes I see him as an upgrade over Phaneuf. If the opportunity came up to swap Phaneuf for Weber you wouldn't jump at the chance??

Cloud09
Cloud09

@DeclanK @Cloud09 Well Weber doesn't have a NMC. If Nashville ever decides to make a trade, Weber will have no say in it.  

Zoltan_(Birdman)
Zoltan_(Birdman)

@DeclanK @Birdman79   Yup.....I'd like to avoid another 3 game losing streak.....also, if you want someone to attack.....go after Cardboard Orpik....he was awful last night. 

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

@DeclanK 

I'd buy that.  Hopefully it comes in under $30 including shipping.  I'd pay more for an MLHS golf/polo shirt though.

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

@Dangle_My_Berries @darthNihilus 

That's basically my pov, too.  Leafs know best in regards to his injury.  It's serious but it's not a concussion (like Liles).  If Karlsson can come back....Bolland should be able to return in good health as well.  As Rusty said also, this could be a big savings for us because Bolland would certainly get more on the open market than what we would have felt comfortable with had the injury not happened (dude was rocketing up the fan-fave chart leading up to the injury...though that was only a small sample of games played as a Leaf, albeit).  Still though, I'd sign him to a good deal if it's there to be had.  3.5 - 4 million per....ish....give or take....for a 4 year term (had the injury not happened I'd go 5 years).

I honestly don't think the injury will be that big of a deal for him moving forward.  I fully anticipate Bolland bouncing back to form and I hope he does it as a Leaf.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

We did OK signing Kessel when he was in the middle of his shoulder reconstruction surgery.

.JVR.
.JVR.

@Shift_Disturber1

Yea, I'd definitely wanna see him return before I agree to anything, but it shouldn't stop them from negotiating. 

.JVR.
.JVR.

@B_Leaf 

Like @rustynail said, that won't increase the cap until the 2015/16 season though.

The US deal was worth $2 billion over 10 years, so they pay the league $200 million per season.  From what I understand, the League basically got nothing under the old deal with NBC, so that is an extra $100 million of revenue for the league after the 50/50 split with the players.  

Divided by the 30 teams, it equals a $3.33 million increase in the cap.  

Add in an identical $200 million the league expects to make from the outdoor games and the cap should go up by atleast $6.67 million next season, not including other revenue increases. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@-Keon- 

Nah - not that important at all. We could swap the colours around. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Birdman79 @DeclanK 

Well, you're not really facing the toughest team. Playing like crap recently. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK 

OK - this company doesn't do them, but looking at some others with small minimum runs. I would like to have one. 

Big fan of long/sleeved polos for some reason

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

@DeclanK @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 

What color golf/polo??  Dunno....white or black, I suppose.  Does this TeeSpring company offer them??  Alec told he he would look into the possibility but I never heard back.  A simple shirt with the MLHS name and logo in the corner would be very classy, methinks.  I'd pay more than usual for one of those.

If you are asking what color for the above shirt....white is fine.  I'd buy this too.  Basically, I'm looking for a shirt that simply promotes MLHS.  Nevermind all the Leaf stuff (names, Corsi, pics, etc).  Just the simple MLHS name and logo.  

.JVR.
.JVR.

@B_Leaf

Whoops, missed that part, haha.

How was CBC paying $100 million for one night a week, while TSN was only paying $40 million for all the games they get?


Oh yea, also frogot that this deal is in Canadian dollars, so it's really only about $4.9 billion in American dollars.

ProfessorRance
ProfessorRance

@B_Leaf @rustynail I could see it move up 5 to 6 million. With the amount of outdoor games, high revenue should be expected in my opinion at least. And the NBC deal is not chump change either.