Maple Leaf Hangout Episode #17

Maple Leaf Hangout Episode #17

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Introducing new MLHS writer Elliot Saccucci, Elliot will joins Michael and Michael to discuss the NHL-Rogers TV rights deal, the Leafs‘ struggles, and more.

A little info on Elliot:

Elliot Saccucci joined BJCTB as an associate in 2013. He completed his articles at the Toronto office of a national full-service firm before leaving to pursue a focused litigation practice. Elliot has studied both civil and criminal trial advocacy, and has acted as a mediator at Toronto Small Claims Court. Elliot currently teaches a negotiation course entitled “Lawyer as Negotiator” at Osgoode Hall Law School, where he graduated in the top 6% of his class, and was a recipient of the McMillan LLP Scholarship. He has written extensively on negotiation, mediation and alternative dispute resolution, and his paper on collective bargaining in the National Hockey League was published in Volume 19 of the Sports Lawyers Journal.

Founded in 2008, Maple Leafs Hotstove (MLHS) has grown to be the most visited unofficial team-focused hockey website online (Quantcast). Independently owned and operated, MLHS provides thorough and wide ranging content, varying from news, opinion and analysis, to pre-game and long-form game reviews, a weekly feature piece, the "Leafs Notebook", along with a Web TV show the "Maple Leaf Hangout".
180 comments
Cloud09
Cloud09

So can Shea Weber be traded yet?? If so I'd be open to moving Phaneuf to Nashville for him. Don't know if Toronto would have to add some other pieces but slot Weber in on the right side and pair him with either Gunnar or Rielly. Leafs can eat $14M all day, Nashville gets a comparable player that can play with Jones and will cost less cap wise with at least 1/2 the term of Weber. That would be the kind of upgrade the Leafs blueline could use. I love Phaneuf but if he can fetch a Shea Weber I wouldn't have that hard of a time saying goodbye. 

Zoltan_(Birdman)
Zoltan_(Birdman)

So now that TSN is dead....can we have all the good talent down here on NBC?   Milbury, Roenick and Pierre are absolutely HORRIBLE.

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

If Toronto were to get a 2nd team...and Bell divested itself from MLSE and bought the rights to the 2nd team....would the current new TV deal that goes into effect in a year or two still govern over TV rights for that 2nd team??  Or could Bell worm it's way back in with the 2nd team and go after those TV rights??

Apologies if this is a dumb question....admittedly, I don't really understand the full ramifications of this new deal and was wondering how a 2nd team in Toronto would be affected by it (or vice versa).


Alec Brownscombe
Alec Brownscombe moderator

LiveFyre says they've identified the issue and are working on it.

.JVR.
.JVR.

Don't know about everybody else, but I really wish Bell would have won the rights to the NHL's National Broadcast deal in Canada.

I just have more confidence in TSN's ability to put together a hockey production and in 5 years time, HNIC would look alot better on CTV than City.

Loric76
Loric76

So...Livefyre part of TSN or what?

darthNihilus
darthNihilus

what do people here think of the contract talks with Bolland-that Loiselle mentioned? Would you sign a player to a new deal knowing that it is unlikely he will suit up this season (due to his LTIR status)?

GreekGod
GreekGod

Great episode of the hangout... thanks guys!

Great Dane
Great Dane

@DeclanK  Declan that is probably the best analysis for the Leafs overall game plan that I seen in a long time.

This is real evidence of what have been discussed on MLHS and it just confirmed my view (always nice):


Leafs are a one-dimensional - we score of the rush.

BB - said a couple of days ago: As Kessel goes so goes the Leafs. That is very true. 

I would add when Kessel, JVR ,Lupul and Kadri are on fire we get enough goals of the rush. When not we are doomed. Like in November

When the other team find a way to shut-down mainly Kessel and JVR and the PP not clicking, the Leafs has no other tool in the toolbox, so create a enough scoring.

 In my opinion there are three maybe four problem areas that need to be addressed:

1) With the skills we have on the wings, we need more net presences at center. Kessel needs a power forward i.e. JVR and big strong center.  A second line of Lupul - Kadri and Clarkson/Kulemin might work.

2)  We need to change the bottom 6 to add more value i.e. goals. Playing Orr and Mclaren is not a formular for success. Why put Ashton, Smith, Leivo etc on the bench or with Marlies if they are able to create more scoring from the bottom 6.

3) The defense needs to be rethought.  Phaneuf, Franson, Gardiner and Reilly is too much of the same. Since there is no deal with Phaneuf yet, I think that he will be moved. (Cam - yes he might have a NTC, he might not).

4) Carlyle - if he continues to insist to dress McLaren and Orr, we will not get far. He sometimes seems too stuck in the own ways that he can't adapt. That could be a fourth problem the Leafs have.




DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@-Keon- The Logo looks like poo/pee on that color

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Cloud09 Also, Phaneuf has a NMC.  So you're either resigning him, or letting him walk.

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Cloud09 Not sure Weber will ever leave Nashville. 

Cameron19
Cameron19

@Cloud09 Why? Is Weber any better than Phaneuf?  Certainly hasn't looked like it since Suter left. This would not be an upgrade at all, in my opinion.  

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

Trust me, ain't no good talent here either

Bobsyouruncle
Bobsyouruncle

@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan   

Wickie sells the "Maple Leafs" brand and Johnny Bower to the Bell group for half a billion and renames the team "The Bon Jovies". ("Name was getting kinda old anyway") Then negotiates a broadcast deal with MTV. 

Komas Taberle
Komas Taberle

@darthNihilus 

I love it. It sends a message to players around the league that the Leafs negotiate in good faith.

Will attract more free agents to us.

Dangle_My_Berries
Dangle_My_Berries

@darthNihilus hard to say, but i imagine Leafs management has the best doctors and intel on bollards injury and what it means to his play going forward. 

ShiftyD
ShiftyD

@darthNihilus I would want to see him back skating before making any firm commitment. That's just me though.

Loric76
Loric76

@Yaknowwhat you watched that mess more than once?  Trying to test  your suicide tolerance?

ShiftyD
ShiftyD

@Yaknowwhat For sure but I'll give both goalies a little more slack as they have been excellent for us most nights. Those in front of them have been for the most part very inconsistent to date.

Cloud09
Cloud09

@Cameron19 @Cloud09 Don't see anything on capgeek, where did you see he has a NMC?? And yes I see him as an upgrade over Phaneuf. If the opportunity came up to swap Phaneuf for Weber you wouldn't jump at the chance??

Cloud09
Cloud09

@DeclanK @Cloud09 Well Weber doesn't have a NMC. If Nashville ever decides to make a trade, Weber will have no say in it.  

Zoltan_(Birdman)
Zoltan_(Birdman)

@DeclanK @Birdman79   Yup.....I'd like to avoid another 3 game losing streak.....also, if you want someone to attack.....go after Cardboard Orpik....he was awful last night. 

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

@DeclanK 

I'd buy that.  Hopefully it comes in under $30 including shipping.  I'd pay more for an MLHS golf/polo shirt though.

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

@Dangle_My_Berries @darthNihilus 

That's basically my pov, too.  Leafs know best in regards to his injury.  It's serious but it's not a concussion (like Liles).  If Karlsson can come back....Bolland should be able to return in good health as well.  As Rusty said also, this could be a big savings for us because Bolland would certainly get more on the open market than what we would have felt comfortable with had the injury not happened (dude was rocketing up the fan-fave chart leading up to the injury...though that was only a small sample of games played as a Leaf, albeit).  Still though, I'd sign him to a good deal if it's there to be had.  3.5 - 4 million per....ish....give or take....for a 4 year term (had the injury not happened I'd go 5 years).

I honestly don't think the injury will be that big of a deal for him moving forward.  I fully anticipate Bolland bouncing back to form and I hope he does it as a Leaf.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

We did OK signing Kessel when he was in the middle of his shoulder reconstruction surgery.

.JVR.
.JVR.

@Shift_Disturber1

Yea, I'd definitely wanna see him return before I agree to anything, but it shouldn't stop them from negotiating. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@-Keon- 

Nah - not that important at all. We could swap the colours around. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Birdman79 @DeclanK 

Well, you're not really facing the toughest team. Playing like crap recently. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

@Bon Scott was a Leaf fan @DeclanK 

OK - this company doesn't do them, but looking at some others with small minimum runs. I would like to have one. 

Big fan of long/sleeved polos for some reason

Bon Scott was a Leaf fan
Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

@DeclanK @Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 

What color golf/polo??  Dunno....white or black, I suppose.  Does this TeeSpring company offer them??  Alec told he he would look into the possibility but I never heard back.  A simple shirt with the MLHS name and logo in the corner would be very classy, methinks.  I'd pay more than usual for one of those.

If you are asking what color for the above shirt....white is fine.  I'd buy this too.  Basically, I'm looking for a shirt that simply promotes MLHS.  Nevermind all the Leaf stuff (names, Corsi, pics, etc).  Just the simple MLHS name and logo.